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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

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foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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snowshapes · 20/03/2013 14:14

I will only be nice to you if/when you are nicer to me. my ex used to do exactly the same. you are responsible for your behaviour he is responsible for his. he is trying to make you responsible for both of your behaviour.

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FairyFi · 20/03/2013 15:44

mink Gonna have to deny accusations of any trekkiness (phew!) as I don't know what 'uncloaking' is in that context surprised that study of Sheldon has not revealed this mystery to me yet

Really hoping that you are taking your burden of responsibility very lightly, nay flippantly? Wink Charlotte

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 15:53

Match nice to see you, will have to catch you at the ... Vixens sometime soon to raise a glass together..... hopping off now to confused next forum members with MN emoticon protocols post about poorly car Hmm

btw... I completely accept wonky radar, but it was buzzing a bit about male wanting to meet in future rl to raise a glass to lady on the other bigger thread? Is that just me? Strikes me as real odd, the interest and then that comment recently ( bit 'stalkish'?)

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minkembra · 20/03/2013 16:28

fi I think I maybe know what you mean and if it is what I think then that is maybe a bit weird.

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 16:36

ha ha! this Tis 'but where's all your stuff?' good good! ( but you might aspire for that look, even if it doesn't quite work out for you like me here!

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 17:00

GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin nod's as good as a wink.... Tis LOVL

x-posted Mink I'm not nuts then am I? Grin - did you see it?

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 17:01

how come you expected me to get the one about friend wanting to go outdoors then? Tis cos its all the same Wink

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 17:05

The Dirty Vixens...

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 17:12

Tis think I'll always be work in progress, certainly no indications here that I've 'arrived' yet Shock friend's suggestions: walking lots works for me (great brain rest/rhythm, get fit, boosts immunity and feel good endorphins/lift mood, getting out/fresh air sunshine from other side of windows) - suggest getting dog in order to make walk look more purposeful, and to badger, no, hound, you into doing it regularly!

Right serious over-posting and need to get back to broken car.

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MrsMorton · 20/03/2013 18:33

We have a BIG dog; apparently referred to in Scotland as a "dug". He's lovely and since my life has all been going wrong he's been really clingy to me. He comes to put his head on my knee. I luffs him too...

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bountyicecream · 20/03/2013 19:36

Firstly just wanted to add that I only realised my H was EA following the birth of DD. I have mostly put it down to the fact that before then we would just do whatever he wanted/needed and as i was laid back it didn't really bother me. But when DD came along that naturally her needs had to come first and so for the first time ever i stood my ground with H and he didn't like it.

I had my first meeting with a solicitor yesterday (and ended up sobbing on her). It was generally good. A big positive was when I asked about DD seeing my parents (as FW really fights this all the time as he hates them) the solicitor said that short of them being child abusers he cannot specify that they don't see DD and in fact most courts would encourage it.

The downside is that she agrees that I am rocky ground re being the primary carer. I was for the first 2 years but for the last 6 months as H has been out of work he has been a SAHD. Throughout this he has moaned about it and this has really hurt as I would love love love to be at home more and only work FT because he says I must as it is the only stable income we have. Anyway this week H has started another (short term) job away so is away Mon-Fri which makes me the primary carer. After we split I have figured that I can manage on 3 days salary and so my plan was always to do this. So the solicitor has suggested that I arrange a 3 day week, just tell H that this is what is happening and then once it has been in place for a month then I will be officially the primary carer.

I'm feeling a bit down as I had intended to tell FW that I know about his OW and want to divorce this weekend and now I'm going to have to stick it out another 6-8wks. But I suppose in the long run it'll be worth it.

Am also concerened about changing my working hours without telling him as I really don't know how he will react. I mean obviously it'll be better for DD rather than being in full time 5 days per week nursery. Maybe I should say that it's an agreement until the end of his contract and then later on say I've decided to make it permanent now we're separating. but seems devious and underhand to do it this way

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 20/03/2013 19:37

Is the bar open yet?

DD's parents' evening was tonight. She is doing marvellously, which is such a relief after the upheaval and her having to adjust. Comedy moment was FW turning up in a tweed jacket and jeans looking like he'd misplaced his hound! Asked him where his rifle was and was generally embarrassed to be seen with him. Grin

Oddly, we are getting on perfectly well as co-parents. I have to keep reminding myself that this person has called me a fucking cunt, amongst other things, as I start almost minimising things again, having forgotten the day-to-day shittiness that it was, 5 months on.

bountyicecream · 20/03/2013 19:45

Grin at the rifle

Long may the happy co-parenting continue. I'm sure if that is achievable it must make a massive difference for the DC

foolonthehill · 20/03/2013 19:49

A nice Spaniel should keep you from sloth Fi (but you can't have foolishdog...she's mine and I luffs her too!!)

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Dillie · 20/03/2013 20:16

Personally I would love a St Bernard or an old English sheep dog so ddog can block the door when I move or sit on fw when he picks up dd for visits

But, I don't think dcats will approve!

bounty sometimes I think you have to be devious and underhand to get what is best for you and your dd. Remember, you owe him nothing Wine

snowshapes · 20/03/2013 20:26

bounty agree that you should arrange your hours to suit yourself and dd, 3 days is still stable income and as he has work, then you don't need full-time childcare. That is the way to look at it.
For all you know, he might be thinking well, bounty needs to stay fulltime so she can support herself and dd when I bugger off with OW. You have no idea what he might be planning, so make sure things work for you.

minkembra · 20/03/2013 20:29

No fi now i am confused. i don't think i did see it.

horror caught up on all your back story. can i ask you a few questions? S'ok if you deefy them as we say up north. You and h been together for a long time. was there ever any indication before dc that he was abusive?

Mine got worse after kid but we were only together for two years and as match says him being sselfish did not really matter.

Re. mobile him, think you need to chrvk what craic is with that and also is your business secured against anything? i.e. foe he stand to lose out at all if it goes under?

He us being very selfish and manipulative. re. threatening to pull out of house purchase he backed down quick enough when you called his bluff.

Really though it is pathetic if he things i don't feel like doing housework is Snyder excuse. who does? Fact is it needs done and refusing yo do things because he knows if he doesn't you Will is both childish and controlling and the very tactic ex used on me.

You really need legal advice. find out if you get more of house as you paid for most of it.

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 20:32

Bunty you gotta do what you gotta do girl! No matter that it feels underhand, this isn't a level playing field is it? uhuh, its far from it. No guilts there, do your best for you and DD Smile

DDog here is crazy and needs a good 10 miles at 100mph per day Fool Grin I can't even keep up with her on a bike! but luuuurv Spaniels dearly, and they just ask bonkers!

and no, DCats definitely don't approve... DCat with isshoos regularly chases [big] (DDog who is terrified of him) to box her ears.

I really hope happy co-parenting continues... and declare I am 'ye of very little faith' t'would be lovely to be proved wrong on that one Match

minkembra · 20/03/2013 20:34

Bounty that is a beggar that you have to keep your powder dry. no you are not obliged to tell him anything. if he calls you on it then he has not exactly been honest and up front with you has he?

I work 3 days. love it. :-)

minkembra · 20/03/2013 20:36

I love spaniels too. lovely temperament. But no pets for me now the rat has gone. Grin

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