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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

999 replies

foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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minkembra · 09/03/2013 08:07

Sorry my phone has unilaterally decided tgeur is a word and uses it at all possible opportunities.tgeur=the

minkembra · 09/03/2013 08:09

Argh good luck not good much.

TisILeclerc · 09/03/2013 08:10

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bountyicecream · 09/03/2013 09:42

Hi all and thanks fool. Found my way here.

Maggie - that is fantastic. Massive respect at all you've achieved. I also am certain that I would not have made it this far without the help, support and reassurance I've had off here.

Nora - Glad you're happy. It is you survivors that let me dream that I might make it.

Leclerc - sleep deprivation is a killer but things will get better.

Charlotte - you sound way more determined. Keep going

Cathy - I don't know the answer as I'm still here. Will be a long time before i date I'm sure. Is it anything specific or just general unease? Could you post examples here?

At the start of thread 17 I said by the end I would have seen a solicitor. Well that seemed impossible at the time. I haven't actually seen one but I do have my first app for next week. And I have told my nana everything too! So this threads resolution is to have told h that I want a divorce by the end. Seems impossible but my last lot of fairy steps got me to the solicitor!

Hope everyone is well. Hi to mink, breathe, nini, bertie and everyone else I've forgotten (not intentionally)

bountyicecream · 09/03/2013 09:45

Matchsticks, hissy, fi, pony .... Sorry forgot loads perhaps better than forgetting just one Now really hoping not forgotten anyone else!

bountyicecream · 09/03/2013 09:51

Ooh and snowshapes too makes a mental note NEVER to list everyone again. Sadly there are too many of us to remember

MrsMorton · 09/03/2013 10:09

bounty and I said I would have found a counsellor and I have so well done us.
I fucked up and turned into a FW myself last night and now life is even worse. H doesn't like me texting anyone and he doesn't like my friend so I was secretly texting her and he found me and now he won't speak to me. I know I should have just done it not secretly but I didn't and now I'm obviously having an affair.

ponygirlcurtis · 09/03/2013 10:13

bounty Grin - I've done that too, I always miss someone and then feel rotten! I like your thread resolution idea, very motivating. You are doing great.

Maggie!!!!!! Am v excited for you. Am sending superhero marine-type vibes your way.

MrsM - that really is not you being a FW. You were doing something perfectly reasonable, the fact that he doesn't like you doing it is his problem not yours. It just makes him more of a FW, that you are reduced to contacting a friend in secret. It's not good. Sad

How you feeling today Leclerc?

bountyicecream · 09/03/2013 10:19

Well done us mrsm! It shows things are changing slowly even if it doesn't seem that way.

My h once accused me of having an affair. I'm not sure he really thought that but it was a good way of controlling me at work because instead of staying for 15 mins to chat to the girls I'd rush home to give him no cause for complaint. Ironically I later found out that he was cheating on me even at that time.

Sometimes a silent fw is the best kind. Are you still thinking your relationship can be saved or are you looking for a way out? If so it doesn't really matter if he thinks you're cheating

bountyicecream · 09/03/2013 10:21

And as pony says only a fw would forbid us from texting friends probably those that are on to him and will give us the best support

FairyFi · 09/03/2013 10:44

Oh Maggie you are amazeballs!

Same here Cathy and I have heard it can be for some like learning to have a relationship all over again. Just take it v slow! I think if you are having some warning signs tho they are worth bringing here to get some feedback on?

grrr Mink to gaslighting phone!

Bounty guilty mind see! [your FW] always the way, cheating himself so thinks you must be... stupid FW

good weekedn vibes to all xx

BreatheandFlyAway · 09/03/2013 11:37

Phone lost my post again. But it was saying Maggie I am so very glad for you and so happy you are finally escaping. Well done lovely lady. Xxx

Am crashing here so off to get some air into my fogged brain and try and shake off the pain.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 09/03/2013 12:09

Dropped dd off at fw's this morning. She wouldn't sleep there with ds last night and wasn't all that keen on going today. I don't think anything specific has happened, she just prefers bring with me. I have ordered some feelings flashcards to see if it will help her to articulate how she's feeling.
FW still asks me what I'm going to do when they're with him, if anyone's phoned me etc. He really can't bear the loss of control. Whenever I tell him I can do what I like now, he makes a big show of 'not being bothered what you do' when all the evidence points to the contrary.
Still waiting to hear from my solicitor as to whether his Acknowledgment has been sent to court yet.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 09/03/2013 12:14

Meant to say I'm so pleased things are progressing for you maggie
Cathy I don't feel like I will ever trust a man again and would be very wary in a new relationship.
Leclerc how are the dc? Hope the illness has gone from your household.
Bounty, giving yourself a target to focus you seems a good idea.
breathe hope fw hasn't bothered you and that you are safe.
Bertie let the countdown commence! Champagne on the first fw-free night I'd say.
eternalrose are you ok?
Wave to everyone I've missed.

Dillie · 09/03/2013 12:14

Morning ladies. Another thread! I can't keep up Grin

I can't remember who said it on the other thread, but my fw also said that aggression and arguments are normal. It is me that is abnormal to want peace in my life! He was basing it on his best mates relationship with his wife and they are always arguing. Thing is I have lost count the number of times his best mate has said he has had enough!

I too have been accused of having affairs, so like bounty I would rush home or not bother going out. When I leave he is adamant that I will move in with my best friend as according to him we are having some sort of lesbian affair! My friend says we should just do that for a short while just to wind him up! Grin

breathe hope you manage to defog your brain. I crashed yesterday, phoned my friend in tears, and she insisted I went around to help babysit her 3 year old niece. Cheered me up no end. Have you got somewhere/someone to go to, even just for a brew?

I have found my anthem too by Kassidy. Take a listen its meaningful without being too close to the heart, and its a good sing along too (video is a little odd though!)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L0Xlr3bAS4

Apologies if I am not allowed to link!

Take care all x

Bertiebassett · 09/03/2013 12:46

Blimey these threads are moving so fast these days!

Thanks Silver, Pony, LeClerc, and everybody else for all the good wishes! I'm counting down the days now until FW leaves...and also making big plans about how I'm going to make this house MY house Smile
I'm sort of hoping he DOES take all the furniture...so I can start again with things that are to MY taste not his...

But I'm trying to be mindful of my feelings at the moment. I'm still very up and down.

Obviously I'm over the fucking moon pleased that he's FINALLY going...but I still get very tearful when I think about how he's treated me and will probably continue to treat me while I still have to have contact with him (for the next 13 years Shock).

Just this week he called me paranoid, demanding, and abusive...because I stood up to him and refused to back down over something. I KNOW I'm none of things but it really destroys me inside to be called them. I have to stop being so sensitive!

I hope you lovely ladies are all ok? I feel terrible that I've lost track of everyone's progress over the past couple of months. Could do with an update post from you all! Smile

Hissy · 09/03/2013 13:05

They call you the names that most hurt or scare THEM.

Watch how they visibly FLINCH when you use their own words back at them.

Seriously, you feel the power right away. You can almost understand the addiction they have for control!

Bertiebassett · 09/03/2013 15:17

Hissy I know that you're right...but I still struggle with this!

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ponygirlcurtis · 09/03/2013 16:20

Fantastic Leclerc Grin. That will make so much of a difference to how you are feeling.

minkembra · 09/03/2013 17:21

tis Grin

Ex turned up late for his 3 hours with kids. did not speak to me at all which was fine but despite telling me by email he hates me etc. bought mothers day daffs. (this is typical of him- he is all about the tradition and gestures and not about the meaning and there is no requirement to be consistent e.g. would insist everyone has a dram with him at hogmanay because it is traditional but would not give a Feck if you actually had a good new year)

then told the kids he'd love to see them more Hmm well why doesn't he? I'm not stopping him.

Far be it from me to guess what goes on in him head. kids a but unsettled and dt1 keeps saying she wants to see him everyday. (if she did that would be first time in their life as they often went 3 or 4 days without setting eyes on him and on several occasions he left for a week or so and they never even noticed.)

Still minimal stress for me. will see if a) he turns up for parents night(dreading it) b) gets in touch to arrange another time to see them or if he really is going to leave it a whole month out of spite.

Loving the thread resolutions.

Hoping eternal is ok. She seemed quite low before.

Bertie the end is in sight. Putting it behind you will be hard work but some day, soon I hope, it will all be much better and you will have a new FW free life.

ponygirlcurtis · 09/03/2013 19:47

mink, he shouldn't be saying that to the kids, that was solely designed for them to think that it's your doing that they only see him for three hours a week! Eejit.

Another one thinking of EternalRose. Hope you're doing ok, chick.

minkembra · 09/03/2013 20:12

pony well i am evil and when chatting to his mum who phoned to thank them for mothers day card he got for her from them. I said 'it was nice he saw the kids today. of course, he is working next Saturday but can always have them at another time if he wants'

minkembra · 09/03/2013 20:13

just casually and in a conversational way of course.

ponygirlcurtis · 09/03/2013 20:24

Haha mink! But that's not evil, that's just... conversation! Evil would have been telling her (and the kids) that he can't be bothered to see them more than three hours per week and generally slagging him off. But you haven't done that. maybe you should

Having a Brew and thinking about you all this evening.