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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

999 replies

foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
jacktarot · 20/03/2013 09:30

Thanks all for the welcome! I will look back at the previous threads and read your backstories as soon as I can.

I like Horror! Vac is fine too though.

Fi -

As a profoundly amazing MH worker it is a miracle that he didn't diagnose you with PND!

Not PND but he said only last night that I've been suffering from severe depression for 'at least 10 years' I've also been told I'm paranoid, sick,, disgustingly narcissistic, a 'professional liar', self centred, destructive, bulimic, a 'little victim' ... I could go on...

TisILeclerc · 20/03/2013 09:33

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jacktarot · 20/03/2013 09:44

Ha! Yes I was somewhat daunted by 17 previous threads! Grin

TheSilveryPussycat · 20/03/2013 09:49

horror your FW is projecting his own stuff onto you :) HTH

trustissues75 · 20/03/2013 09:58

Hello vac and welcome. Listen to LeClerk - she's making a lot if sense. My story in many ways mirrors yours. It is very hard to delineate the real from the unreal t times but dont give up - confusion and self blame is an abuser's goal because that results in control.

Your FW, beibg a MH professional, sounds like a pretty poor excuse for a human being.

Dillie · 20/03/2013 09:58

Welcome horror great to see you on here, but so :( that you find yourself here too.

Just catching up.

Ma sending some of my mama bear strength. Really sounds like you need to make a move soon for both you and your dd.

mrsm did you find a solicitor in the end? (I have lost track a little Blush )

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 09:59

can't remember MrsM but you could leave a note if you are worried about continually trying to be contacted, advising you have changed numbers or don't want to be contacted or whatever you feel is your way forward? Or OTOH, not! Wink

Anyone else struggle with conventions across different forums? Its only here that a square bracketed is used for emoticon, other place is inserted directly, another is by usig colons/brackets, etc. I keep putting asterisks to bold things in other forums!?!?!? doh! I'm getting so confused!

Hope you are ok this morning Horror - and I just noticed your comment... his string of abuses are just appalling! When I worry about whether I was the abusive one I sometimes think back to all the names I would get called, and then remind myself I never called him anything, I think I must have called him something! I guess i must've called him 'nasty' 'angry' and those things, oh and I must have called him a bastard a few times, but I just didn't really, quite quite pathetic! Blush. The thing is we never spoke about anything! He didn't like to he had opinions and I didn't He told me I die alone of cancer, was a fucking controlling bitch actually his anger management counsellor told him that one! i'm like a man what does that say about him, if thats true?

These are all things that I couldn't even bring myself to say some months ago, because I believed everything he said for so long!

I'm sure you'll get the gist of the backstories as you go along Wink unless as tis says you'll be back in time for an xmas toast Wine at the Vixens (I'm too addled every time I'm there to remember the name!) I know the FW's are on the other side of the moor in the 'Far side of Fuck off'!

trustissues75 · 20/03/2013 10:04

Lol...Far Side of Fuck Off - Ive now git Pink Floyd's Comfortably Numb going around in my head (Not even sure if that was on 'Far Side if the Moon').

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FairyFi · 20/03/2013 10:13

and Silvery as I was writing the things that I was called, it struck me that these are the things that strike at his core actually (his sole goal in life to be very 'male' and not girly fucking homophobe, but he is a little bit camp! and constantly surrounded by those he considers to be 'cool' this means taking gazillions of drugs/drink and surviving, staying out all night partying...., being mainly drunk and obsessed/swearing at the football

so yes, projection, I thought the same when I read horrors list.

TisILeclerc · 20/03/2013 10:17

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trustissues75 · 20/03/2013 10:21

Green, leclerc? A nice olive green and maybe simome chocolate brown and stone?

TheSilveryPussycat · 20/03/2013 10:52

Am hopeless at designing with colour (FW was good at it though and our living room with black leather sofa and chairs is great). But I do know you should pick the fabrics first. This is why it took us so long to find the right curtains - we got them last!

minkembra · 20/03/2013 12:24

horror have just skimmed you OP and not read the responses there or here so forgive me if I am repeating things already said or missing some of ht details. just a few things you mentioned totally rang bells. your h sounds quite like my ex.

1- it is quite normal with lack of sleep for everyone to get a bit het up. However, the difference is that you can see that and have taken steps to modify your behaviour while he appears not to.

2- My ex was also a perfectionist procrastinator. this is in fact his main issue/trigger. he has lots of things he need to get on with but he cannot because he has to go through this whole routine of getting everything just so before he can even start, he gets part way through and give up every time. also he fears the job will not be perfect so rather than do a less then perfect job he does nothing at all. this then makes him annoyed about the situation and his lack of progress and then at this point it all becomes my fault (yeah that is the bit that only ever made sense to him.)

3- your h needs to deal with the now. he cannot say your past behaviour which has now stopped gives him carte blanche to treat you however, he likes for as long as he like. the past is the past. his behaviour is now and ongoing. this is typical abuser behaviour they constantly rake up the past. you have set a boundary both for himself and you relationship. no name calling. again this chimes with me. my ex was always calling me names and swearing at me. I use to argue with him but try not to get into the personal name calling and labelling. I told him I would no longer accept it. he persisted and in the end that is why I told him to leave. it is only now that he has gone that I realise how totally f8cked up a lot of it was. i did not even realise properly i was being abused until it was over.

ex also did the cornering me and repeating the same sentence over and over and over again. it is maddening. don't know what you can do about it other than walk away or sing a little cartoon theme tune every time he does it (careful though that might really piss him off)

the house/mobile home./money- he is using the thing he knows causes you the most stress to target you. if push comes to shove it may all ahve to come out in the financial settlement. but don't let him push you into taking less than your share just because you are ending the relationship. it is him that is causing the problem. it is another tactic on his part.

he is making conditions on his good behaviour i.e. I will only be nice to you if/when you are nicer to me. my ex used to do exactly the same. you are responsible for your behaviour he is responsible for his. he is trying to make you responsible for both of your behaviour. he is not on. You unilaterally decided not to name call if you can do that and stick to it then he can also change his behaviour.

the upshot. it is a bit tough being on my own but it is much better than putting up with that nonsense. my ex won't change. he thinks it is ok. your h needs to be told in no uncertain terms that this is not ok. it cannot go on. no past behaviour excuses him continuing with this into the future.

sorry you are going through thisSad

MrsMorton · 20/03/2013 12:31

No, I haven't managed solicitor yet, I have a big inspection at work today and I'm feeling so low. I can't see much point in anything. No doubt I will drag myself up and get sorted at some point.

jacktarot · 20/03/2013 12:44

Omg fi he told you you'd die alone of cancer? Unbelievable! Angry

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 12:55

yes horror us lucky ladies get all these special gifts from FWs don't we Wink we are so lucky and privileged to know these hugely clever and magnanimous sorts, heh? Grin

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 20/03/2013 13:03

I've got a head full of a stinking cold and I'm drowning in FW's clever, mean words. I didn't get to the solicitors today either. Shall we try again tomorrow?

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 13:05

DD is just being treated to some of the spaghetti, crazy-making shit from him as she's asking me why she can't understand what he's saying Hmm.

I want to cry (again) Hmm I'm so happy! Grin I think its great a) she's not prepared to just accept that she's feeling confused for no reason, b) checked it out for herself c) can trust me to be fair even when talking about FW, when she's very aware of completely broken relationship dynamic. Oh, so celebrating this [was gonna say small but actually now I think is big] awareness on her part!

oh and Horror - he never said that of course! I actually thought my previously very accurate memory was now shot, and he was so alchoholic that he must be having blackouts to forget so much Shock.

tis just to get 'feel' for the 'feel' you are after in your lounge, light and airy space/minimalist, more trad/mix of, darker?

jacktarot · 20/03/2013 13:06

minkembra thanks.
No don't think you were repeating - although it's maybe not such a bad thing for me to hear everyone saying the same thing.
I was quite surprised at the reactions to my thread - thought they'd be much more mixed.

The thing is that DP says that I treated him badly for so long that if I even show a hint of that kind of behaviour again then I have to expect that kind of reaction (ie him shouting at me). It's just too vague as I never know what my 'bad behaviour' is til I've done it!

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 13:10

Horror He is trying to ensure you carry the burden of responsibility for 'making him behave that way' otherwise whats his excuse!! but yeah, babies arriving often make the difference to the arrival of FWittery, uncloaking.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 20/03/2013 13:30

Ah, the burden of responsibility! It's all my fault, apparently - if I don't pull him up when he's being disrespectful and not treating me as an equal, then how do I expect him to stop?

He's going away tomorrow. Phew! Who was it who said 5 days would be hell? It's very weird, this hell. Like it's got barbed pitchforks with a furry coating - you think you're being stroked and only gradually realise why it hurts.

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 13:36

this Tis Fi no - just NO! You are not pathetic. You refused to be brought down to his level. That's all Wink Smile Thanks

minkembra · 20/03/2013 13:37

uncloaking good word! Are you a secret trekky! Grin

horror I'llread your thread properly later.

Re. back story. i was wondering if for next thread which is fast approaching, due in no small part to the dirty wotsits incident as i shall no be referring to it Grin, perhaps at the start we should add a little where we are now and where we hope to be so we know who is in, out, over it(smiles at the thought). Just when we get a chance.

Just thought though there are a few of the posters no been about for a bit- Maggie rose you guys ok? Am hoping you absence means you are doing well.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 20/03/2013 14:02

Mink Eternalrose was on another thread I lurked on yesterday. Hope Maggie is ok

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