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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

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foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin


Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!




Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 11/03/2013 12:22

Great news charlotte. I think you start to feel stronger when you realise the tears etc aren't really genuine, just put on to get the right response from you. More power to you!
Leclerc, have a great night on Friday. Wish I could plan a night out, but at the moment DD is saying she doesn't want to sleep at daddy's.

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FairyFi · 11/03/2013 12:32

yep, tis tough Match mine doesn't either. we have a friend s/over arranged which means I get 1 night free. Its worth having each other's over so that you get a night off now and again, and then try to restrain oneself on that rare outing!

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minkembra · 11/03/2013 12:35

charlotte Grin

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foolonthehill · 11/03/2013 13:53

Grin charlotte!! stay strong

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TisILeclerc · 11/03/2013 14:33

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BreatheandFlyAway · 11/03/2013 14:51

Charlotte yeah Grin fantastic news. Keep strong lovey.

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minkembra · 11/03/2013 14:51

Tis have a great night out.

so the kids access. after having said no he could not possibly be flexible and see them any day other than Saturday or for more than 3 hours for reason including:
having no gf
he hates me
it is my fault
and he has no money
all included in an email telling me (paraphrase) I am a mental, drug addled, slag, no hoper, scrounger who treated him like a child care servant whilst I bled him for money...

I get an email yesterday saying very politely, can I see the kids on Sunday 12-4 if that suits.
notice he had deleted all the previous emails on the email thread.
so i replied 'of course, the kids will be delighted.'
because I am a normal person who does not want my children to be unable to see their dad.

I did wait 24 hours before replying though ...well i am only human Wink
(although had he said 3 hours or less I may have wrangled but 4 is progress...sort of)

he seems not to realise you cannot gaslight someone by email.Hmm

and clearly the whole thing was just a pretext so that a) he could not have the kids on Sunday because he thought I had something I wanted to do b) to get to say all the nasty things he wanted to get off his chest.

I seem to remember there was an old Trobriander cricket song that went something like:
I am PK, I am PK,
You are glue
It bounces off me and sticks to you

keeps going round in my head for some reason...

or as Sheldon would say
I am polymerised tree sap
and you are an inorganic adhesive
so whatever verbal projectile you launch in my direction
is reflected off me
returns to its original trajectory
and adheres to you

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BreatheandFlyAway · 11/03/2013 14:52

Fi have you considered mediation with your callous cat GrinGrin glad he's alright and had a cosy night (the dirty great stop out!)

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BreatheandFlyAway · 11/03/2013 14:55

Mink Grin. Loving your post!

Arse that he is for calling you all those horrible names Angry

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ponygirlcurtis · 11/03/2013 15:11

Mink - Bazinga!
Good outcome for you and the kids, bad outcome for FW cos he rails and spits his dummy out and ends up doing what you wanted him to anyway! Grin

Leclerc - i don't see that as a sadness, it makes me think what a pathetic man he is that he's less trustworthy with his own kids than a 19-year-old who isn't family. He is not worth even your pity.

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minkembra · 11/03/2013 15:40

fi ah cats in coats. looking back perhaps I should just have bought my cat a bomber jacket of its own.

they used to say i turned up at work looking like the cat had dressed me...cos by the time I realised there was cat hair all over my jacket which then ended up all over my clothes it was too late to do anything about it.

(re access it was last Sunday he though I had something on- this Saturday he is busy so he needs to change days. but I am quite happy co I didn't have anything on. he may be an arse but he is no longer my arse Smile and the kids get to see him longer/this weekend instead of not for a month. )

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TisILeclerc · 11/03/2013 16:06

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minkembra · 11/03/2013 16:31

another thing ex said though is 'I am no longer your verbal punchbag' that was one of his favourite phrases. wtf?!? Hmm it would be funny almost were in not so grrr.

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arthriticfingers · 11/03/2013 16:59

My FWEX told me it was me who had spat at and tried to strangle him Hmm
They are weirdos - and, no, I can't find it funny ... yet ...

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minkembra · 11/03/2013 17:19

I did actually laugh out loud when I read his email where he said he was a domestic slave. ludicrous things always make me laugh.

but can totally see why you would not find that funny arth
my ex did actually manage to convince me I had thrown a glass at him, now realise that although he still believes this, I was gaslit (lighted). there was a glass incident. I didn't throw it, and at the time I said i couldn't have because it ended up in the dishwasher, (no way he put it in the dishwasher so i must have) if i had thrown it and it had hit him then that means i would have had to bend down to pick it up and no way would i have thrown something at him and then put my head anywhere near his feet or lower than his hands. therefore i know it never left my hand, i did tip the contents over him. that much is true BlushSad but i admitted to throwing it just to shut him up. and by the end of it i started thinking i had thrown it.

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arthriticfingers · 11/03/2013 17:42

Didn't mean to say that we should not find it funny.
I am looking forward to the day when we can all piss ourselves laughing.
I can laugh at some things - just not at all the gaslighting.
We will all get there
I shall raise a brew (and later, a Wine) to that :)

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arthriticfingers · 11/03/2013 17:43

Brew (you can tell where my thoughts are going Blush)

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thatsnotmynamereally · 11/03/2013 17:58

Hello, just checking in, I've been lurking but ashamed to admit that nothing here has changed... same old cycle, he blames me for something, I get furious then have to calm down and agree with him that everything wrong is all my fault. And brush it all under the carpet just to keep the peace. But it leaves me burning with indignation when clearly it is NOT my fault. Ie, the weather, or he blames me for the fact that he has a low vitamin D level. WTF?? But still considering that I don't think that I should rock the boat because of DD. June exams have got so much riding on them, it wouldn't be easy even if everything else was perfect.

Charlotte, hope all is well. Pity I can understand, I feel the same so much of the time. Is he staying around long enough for you to make plans?

Mink glad you have some perspective on the issues, I really think that they truly believe that they are hard done by, I know my H always makes it clear that even though he speaks at length in a loud voice to me (presumably because I won't understand otherwise) I am the one who shouts not him therefore he is actually suffering more than I am. Verbal punchbag indeed!

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BreatheandFlyAway · 11/03/2013 18:17

Thats- my fw is the same. He will say I have screamed at him because that's his perception if I stand up to him- he so can't take it that he feels screamed at. However I never raise my voice to him because I can't stand shouting having grown up amidst constant screaming. Aren't I sensible to have married a shouting violent volatile bad tempered man Hmm not!

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thatsnotmynamereally · 11/03/2013 18:39

Breathe perhaps the shouty-ness was what drew you to exFW in the first place? I wonder about family influence. In my family my mother was the unreasonable one who we all had to bend over backwards to accommodate-- similar to my H, if you didn't do what she wanted there would be hell to pay in the form of instant silent treatment followed later by the most horrible verbal abuse... I briefly spoke to my sister about this a few years ago (I think she's had counselling) and she said that people tend to gravitate towards situations they find familiar... even if they are $%^&ing dysfunctional! Gah. At least you know you're right Grin

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Dillie · 11/03/2013 18:46

Charlotte well done! Keep strong and be prepared for him to up the anti a little. Is he staying or are you leaving - sorry if you already posted, I can't keep up with this thread at times!

Still low level fwittery here. I asked him to pick up dd from brownies as I am going to see my friend. Any one would have thought I asked him to travel 300 miles instead of 3!!

Not heard about the house yet. 5 weeks and counting since the offer was accepted. Can't be much longer!

Here's hoping for a quiet night curled up with dcat! Need some Miranda to cheer me up and a Brew

Take care all x

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minkembra · 11/03/2013 19:14

I don't think it is necessarily gravitate to, i think it might be put up with it longer and notice it less because the coping strategies are already ingrained.

i was well known for being easy going hard to rile and not keen on confrontation before i met my ex.

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ponygirlcurtis · 11/03/2013 20:16

Leclerc - I don't think reporting it to the police is just to do with courage. Maybe at some point in the future, you'll be ready to do it, and you'll do it. Don't beat yourself up about that too. You have done soooooooo much to be proud of.

thatsnotmyname - you have nothing to be ashamed of at all. There is no ideal timescale to this, it's your situation, you do it in your way in your own time. I knew for a long, long time that the relationship was no good, that I had to leave, that he was abusive. But I did nothing for ages, I was paralysed. But although I thought I was doing nothing, I wasn't. I was contacting Women's Aid. I was reading up about abuse. I was reading the support thread (lurking, not posting), I was buying and reading the Lundy book. When I went, I knew I was ready (while not being ready at all IYKWIM). You are not doing nothing either. You are on here. You are taking baby steps.

mink - that is a description of me you have written, surely? Yet according to him I was difficult, argumentative, and crazy. Gah.

Stay strong Dillie - soooooooooon! You are doing so well, your patience must be wearing v thing...

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minkembra · 11/03/2013 20:22

What is really weird is a lot if my memories have come back things that happened before i met him.

Odd wee fragments like what it is like when someone sits behind you and you lean on them with their arms around you- proper safe closeness. Think I used to suppress those memories in case it made me look too hard at my life and feel sad and also really weirdly because it would be disloyal.
Disloyal to remember being happy! Talk about in denial. i was trying that hard to pretend it was all ok.

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 11/03/2013 20:25

Thank you all for the support. I was able to get on at lunchtime briefly and read them all, which sustained me through the afternoon.

May I indulge in a small rant? It's been tough - all the sobs, sighs and sniffs have continued, with comments about how he can't concentrate on anything, what work he has to do but can't - basically all "woe is me." He has painted himself as the victim, not just in the way he's spoken to me, but also he's told loads of people. He's been walking into the room mid-conversation so I can hear how reasonable and understanding he's being Hmm and I got copied into his email to my parents, which downplayed the whole thing to "Charlotte doesn't love me any more" Hmm Hmm and simplified my emotions to "she's feeling so relieved to have it out in the open" - that from a conversation between us which went:

Him: "I suppose you're feeling relieved, are you?"
Me: "Well, I guess. I'm a bit out of touch with my feelings, really."

His aim seems to have been to show me just how many people's lives I'm blowing apart with my selfish, hasty, ill-thought-out action. "I don't know how to make this ok for dd1," he said, despite upsetting dd1 on an almost daily basis when he's been around recently.

"I found it hard not to cry when I was helping get the kids ready for school this morning," was another gem. Making it look as though this is a regular, normal thing that he does - and in fact didn't really do this morning. I think he helped one dc find his/her shoes.

Anyway, he's gone away to process the shock at a distance, which is a relief as I was worried for a while that he might cancel trips. And I now have to go and reply to various members of his family who want to hear my side of the story.

So if it weren't for you lot, I'd've been feeling quite guilty and got at this afternoon. Thanks

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