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Feeling lost and lonely (ex had an affair and left us - WE ARE MOVING ON!)

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Dee34 · 30/10/2011 17:20

Hopefully, I have done this correctly?!

Old thread here Thread1

Hi All,

This is my first post on these boards, though I have posted my story elsewhere......I just cant seem to stop thinking and mulling over things and searching for answers

Bit of a long story, but to start from the beginning, on Tuesday 28th Dec my ex announced that he was not in love with me anymore (usual cliches about being best friends, love you but etc). This of course sent me into a tailspin as I had just endured an awful xmas at his parents in Scotland that he insisted we go to (dont get on with his folks as they have never helped us out with DS and ex always seemed to avoid confrontation and would never raise any issues directly with them which made for an increasingly tense atmosphere). For background, back in November when I knew I would not be able to hack another xmas there and so I suggested we stay here and have a little family xmas, he told me that I was playing with people emotions by changing my mind and that I could stay here at home if I wanted but he and DS (2.5 years old) were going to Scotland regardless!! I guess I should have sussed that something was a bit iffy but I just brushed it off at the time (by Nov, affair had been going on for a month and actually between Oct - start of affair - and the bombshell in Dec, there was a difference in ex's attitude which I only really pin-pointed in the last few weeks). Anyway, we had a terrible night on the 28th - lots of crying, very emotional etc. I asked him if he was seeing someone else and he said no. I asked him to swear on DS life (childish I know, but said this in the heat of the moment) to which he replied no, he won't swear on his life as he doesn't do that sort of stuff but he held his hands up and promised he was telling the truth. I of course believed him as for me this was all out of the blue..On the Weds, I was quite teary and by lunchtime ex was saying that he was confused, needed some space etc. I said how about he stay in a hotel nearby and come round every day to see DS, take him out etc. I even phoned up several hotels for him to check rates and availability! This was during DS nap and by the time I had gone upstairs to get him, ex had done a spreadsheet and had decided he wanted to go to San Francisco instead. Some fluff about always liking San Fran from work trips (he has been there several times in the past year for genuine work reasons). Again, naïve fool that I was I agreed to him going. We drew up a list of issues that we would both think and work through (usual - lack of sex, though we were trying for baby number 2, arguing, his parents etc) and agreed not to tell any friends or family about what was happening until we knew what was happening ourselves so no one could 'influence' us. So ex went to San Fran and DS and I stayed here (everyone assumed he was here with us during whole period). Anyway, as soon as he was in San Fran his tone and attititude completely changed and he became very distant (he was relaxing and not looking at the issues or given them any thought etc). I finally 'broke' on NYE and asked him what was going on etc and that's when he said he had met someone but that nothing had happened between them, which was actually a lie.

To cut a long story short, he came back on Weds 5th Jan, determined not to work things out. Over the weeks I have learnt that other woman lives and works in San Fran, they met on a work trip in mid Oct last year (in a bar - only kissed - met on the second to last day before he headed back to the UK), had DAILY contact from the time ex returned home, started sleeping together during his next work trip out there in early Dec (a 5 night work trip) and that he was with her all along when he abandoned us over NYE to go to San Fran - he was having a lovely holiday, planning his life with her, whilst I was here like a muppet, trying to get an appointment with a sex therapist (as I obviously had 'issues'!). She is 30 (7 years younger than us) and had moved to San Fran from Nashville in June last year, so seems to me like there were a couple of lonely fools that met over some cocktails? Ex keeps banging on about how she is leaving her life over there (not quite sure what she is giving up bar a job and accommodation compared to what he is gambling with) to be with him, how he loves her so much, never felt like this before about anyone including me - starting to make me a bit sick if I'm honest. If you added up all the days they had actually been together from mid Oct to just before that post xmas trip, it amounts to around 6-7 days actually physically together and they weren't even together 24/7 as he was actually working on these two work trips (have confirmed with a colleague). So it was just hooking up at night and having lots of fresh and exciting nookie? Rest has been built around a deep emotional attachement from their daily calls/text/emails/webcams etc (probaby worse than having random one night stands I think). I think that even now tally of days is around 16 or so when you add on the NYE trip. But that is enough for her to give up her life and job and move here to be with him and he reckons she will be here in 3 months time (until then they will be racking up airmiles). I just dont understand it at all......I guess they are soulmates or star-crossed lovers that were destined to meet?! Everyone keeps telling me that he will one day wake up and see what he has done or that they will break up as soon as she gets here, but the flipside is that they may be together for a long while and that is something that I am now trying to reconcile with - esp as she will effectively be playing stepmum to DS even though ex doesn't really know anything about her bar what she has told him and shown him during their limited time together (of course there is the very real possibility that he is even lying about dates and that this all started way before Oct. I don't know and to be honest, don't care now as all it would prove is that he is more selfish and a bigger cheat and liar than first thought)....

Throughout all of this, ex has been going on about he need to be happy and how he has acted out of self preservation. And he has variously been unhappy for the last few months, 6 months, 9 months, 15 months, 18 months depending on what mood you catch him in when you speak to him.....unhappy for so long that I didn't notice it and yet only gets the balls to leave once he meets someone else? I can accept that we didn't have a 100% perfect relationship, but we had been together for 11 years and of course share DS so am shocked and hurt that it ended in this way. For his part, ex varies between assuming no guilt and saying that the affair was symptomatic of our relationship to wanting to do 2010 over again and make different choices and regretting going to the US over NYE and for making us go to Scotland over Xmas (apparently, as I made the atmosphere so tense for everyone, this was the last push towards making him decide to leave us.....though he hasn't commented on how his dad did his usual show of drinking 2 bottles of wine on xmas eve and not bothering to get up until gone midday so we were all sat around waiting for him as usual...).

Anyway, since then things have lurched along. He has said some horrid things to me and treated me like a fool at the best of times. I think he is so deeply entrenched in his feelings for the other woman that he has forgotten I am DS mum (again, keep asking myself, how and why can he feel so deeply for someone he has spent barely any time with?). For me, the hardest part now is facing up to the reality that I will no longer see my son every day as we move towards shared access and custody. Also hard is the fact that this other woman will be interacting with DS as and when he is staying with them. I do secretly hope that they both go back to the US (surely to happen if and when they have kids and don't think she will wait around for long as she does seem besotted with ex for some bizzare reason - her FB profile is a pic of them in you guessed it an aiprort!...) and ex only comes back here on his tod to see DS for holidays (selfish I know, but I can indulge a fantasy I guess).

Is he deluded or am I???? He has been focused on work a lot and seems to have lost a lot of his friends and social life - which I had noticed and tried to encourage him to get back up again. I am just heartbroken that he could do this to us - esp the cold and calculating way he abandoned us to go to San Fran to be with her over NYE and the fact that in the last 7 weeks our house has now gone on the market (cant afford it myself) and I am now out looking for any old job to support myself (oh, forgot to say, that I had taken voluntary redundancy from a very well paid job last March with his encouragement! When I called him up on this he said, 'oh well, but you didn't like that job anyway!!!')......
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Inbetween all the crying and anger, I do feel like I am going crazy........This is playing on my mind a lot now as he has just flown out today to go and see her in San Fran (6 night holiday, so will take their tally up to 21-22 days or so). It pains me that he will be taking her out for meals, whereas I had to practically nag him to death to book a babysitter for our anniversary in Dec ('nagged' him, as I usually arranged everything and was in need of some attention after his work trip - of course, I now know why he wasn't that bothered...). He will be having cosy conversations and intimate chats planning their future for when she moves here and talking about our son.

Does it get better? Does anyone have a crystal ball and can tell me they wont last....??!!

And how can I move on? I have tried the whole no contact thing - which worked for a while, but then I broke and sent him a long message about how he had ruined my life.... . I have read a ton of post affair books (including not just friends) but still struggle to make sense of it all some days. I know that he will definitely not come back as he has said this several times as he no longer loves me and the deep feelings he has for the OW. Trying to be positive but it is so, so hard some days........

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Downunderdolly · 24/01/2012 21:13

Hi Darling

Gosh sweetheart what a day you have had. Great advice as always so I won't reiterate but please do remember this.

As hideous and painful as it has been/is you have now had to deal with/survived the worst worst things.

Him leaving = check
Him bringing OW over here = check
Him buying house with her = check
Him living near you with her = check
Him getting married = check
Now him having another baby = check

You have survived it. It may feel awful now but there is no more additional fear to come - you aren't waiting for the other 'balls' to drop you can now focus on you you you and distance distance distance. I know so much easier said than done but this is it now my lovely there is nothing else to fear. And you are still standing, you managed work today, you are and can cope. As you know I am still dealing with not having another child and that is something that I am very much still mourning so I do know how hard it is though my sweetie (but so not to late for you if you did meet someone/want another one etc).

Evil Dolly also says that on the 'brightside' hot va va voom sex on the stairs with new wifey won't have lasted much beyond the honeymoon (hah!) and honestly given they don't know each other that well a new baby puts a different slant on (if not strain) to the most established and perfect relationships....not saying it will happen but if it does you will be looking amazing, swanning off on fabulous dates whilst he is up all night dealing with a new baby and prob very homesick wife who has no family over during this huge time of change (I know, was that person, it is hard) so I can't imagine it will be a bed of romantic roses....

HUGE love. I can so imagine to be in your shoes and no doubt will be soon so know it must be horrid and telling you on the doorstep? FUCKER emoticon.

Patienceobtainsallthings · 24/01/2012 22:07

its all swings and roundabouts Dee ,I havent seen him since July ,so much easier,but this time last year he was regularly calling me a c%%t on the phone,so i did it all by text.I took back the power but he stopped paying maintenance.Any attention fuelled his ego,when i refused to join in anymore he stopped money and contact for dcs.Just a manipulative fecker.he showed a vile dark side and when i accepted that was the man he had become i could start to let go of my and old life.I first met gf when i was swapping car seats into his car,he could have warned me she was there,he could have introduced us,instead i opened the door and there she is sat where i used to sit,i just thought "lamb to the slaughter" & re him ,just and weak as ever,i said good morning and went on my way.A year previous i would have ripped her fucking head off.Soi had to work through a lot of issues Dee but it was the only way i could find to bring me any peace.I dont want to be angry and bitter,but my awareness of his behaviour is greater everyday.I never realised how positive this experience would be especially on the days i felt he had ripped out every internal organ,the pain was so great.But hang in there Dee we are a strong breed of women ,your heart will heal but these men have souls as black as soot and it will catch up with them and they have to live with it.

andthatwasthat · 24/01/2012 22:11

you know Dee34 I have to admire you for all you have coped with so far, alls i really wanted to add is that this latest event must be the impetus you have needed to finally get this man out of your head, your thoughts and your life. he has moved on and has yet kept you dangling somehow. us women, we love and care deeply, even to those who are complete shits. i hope you went on that speed date, nw is the time for you to really heal yourself, get your life back on track, think positive and get that shit out of every facet that he does not belong in! sending you the biggest hug and warmest heart, heres to a great year ahead Dee34 - you dont need this man, or his sad waste of a life interupting your life anymore. cut, cut, cut

andthatwasthat · 24/01/2012 22:13

any may i also add, that in no way does he have everything; great life etc. he just has a new partner ... all the relationships problems will come to them in due time. in due time someone who is worthy of you will also enter your life, get yourself ready!

springydaffs · 25/01/2012 00:11

oh i certainly hope so Dee!

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mrscynical · 25/01/2012 07:56

Oh Dee - I am ten years down the line from where you are now. Our stories are very similar so I do know exactly what you are feeling.

Early on I realised that, in order to move on, I had to go the text/e-mail only route re child pick ups etc. This was partly because I needed to distance myself and to stop him bragging about how wonderful his new wife (yes, he married immediately as well) was and how she was loved by everyone and how finally he had found his 'true love'. It was staggeringly insensitive and I could see it would not be good for me to keep dwelling on how bad I felt about myself. This was the best thing I could do and I definitely think it helped me get over the situation quicker than I might have otherwise done. Of course, via the children, he would let me know how great his life was with his new wife but I was so detached that I would actually snigger at his attempts to keep showing off. I must admit it did cross my mind that he was kind of 'protesting too much' but I got on with my life and did not really give it any thought.

Cut to this Christmas when out of the blue his wife called me - first contact I have ever had with her in those ten years. She told me that their marriage was a disaster and in fact had been within a month of the event. She had gone on to have two children with him in the hope that everything would get better but that she could take no more and was starting divorce proceedings. His behaviour during their marriage sounded even worse than my marriage to him and I ended up being incredibly sympathetic and actually feeling really sorry for her!

He has now messed with the lives of five children and is on his own. His career has suffered and he is apparently on anti-depressents. I have received texts from him offering his friendship and asking forgiveness but, apart from being decent and relatively understanding, I am not interested at all. My life is great, met a lovely man, got a good job and am stress free so I shall not be his 'friend' but shall be polite for the sake of my children and that is it.

Funny, if I had known how it would turn out all those years ago I would have felt vindicated or even quite pleased. But you know what, I actually don't feel that. I just feel incredibly sorry for all the children involved in this mess.

Dee, everything will be ok. Distance yourself, stop breaking down in front of him, get on with your life. There are decent people (and men) out there. Go find them and get on with YOUR life and take care of your son. I promise you that things will get better. But YOU have to take a hand in making everything alright - knowing that is the most important thing.

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 25/01/2012 08:02

eyewonder you're meant to pay mn if you want to advertise on here love - and as i said elsewhere your copy on that webpage is barely literate which hardly works well as an advertisement for a book.

Patienceobtainsallthings · 25/01/2012 08:02

Love that post Mrs Cynical x

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 25/01/2012 08:17

(sorry for thread hijack OP - that poster is turning up on relationship threads trying to sell her book which is rather crass. hope your thread is helping)

SearchSquad · 25/01/2012 10:59

Dee, good to hear that you are planning to distance yourself from him. I am sure your ex had a heart warming ego massage by seeing you cry. Don't ever give him this pleasure again.

Your ex realises that you are still quite interested in his life and he is feeding this information in such an insensitive manner in a bid to get some reaction from you. It is his feeble attempt to assert relevance and control in your life. Be strict about access and changeovers, any updates from him can be via email or letter and minimise all in person contact.

Right now Dee, you are dwelling far too much on your ex's life. Harsh as it may sound, please recognise that you have no control over it. Let it go. There is no happy ending in store for him. His ego, insensitivity and selfishness will always come in way of true happiness.

Once you stop interacting with him, slowly his relevance in your life will fade away and you will be no longer care. And then you will be free to focus on your own true desires.

Dee34 · 25/01/2012 12:38

Morning all.....am feeling a lot better today, clarity is beginning to seep through and I am also strengthening my resolve to cut ex out of my life fully. I will be going right back to basics, how things were when I was still in the old house with DS and contact was very minimal (I can see now that certain events sort of threw me off course - house sale, moving house, events in their life etc). These should - will - no longer affect me. Contact will be via email only (ditched texting unless it is an emergency and he has DS. If I have DS, then there is no emergency that I could be interested in). Though he continues to abuse this, sending me 3 emails on Sunday morning, after he had dropped DS off at mine, asking me what size shoes DS takes and what age trousers and then another one about how DS was (he was completely fine and not ill or anything, so a strange one) and then how potty training was going. I ignored all of them - funnily enough, I was only drawn into email exchanges/debates when he wrote something to pee me off, and so the battle would begin. But, yes, no more. So draining and I know that when I have minimal contact with him, I feel so much lighter and happier (e.g when he is away for a good chunk of time or when I was away for NY and he screwed up my phone calls to DS). Early days, but am hoping to now re-set myself.......so agree with you Searchsquad* - I have been showing far too much interest in ex's life and going-ons and it is was eating away at me. Time to put a stop to it. And I plan to never show that man any emotion ever again (I shudder now at the whimsical style 'dont cry' he mentioned yesterday morning).

I had a list of things I was going to post this morning (that came up as random thoughts during the evening, things like how come this is what living his life like everyday is his last is like etc etc. Basically thoughts I dont need to give more space to etc). But on waking this morning, I felt determined to not sink further into that mire of crap, so will not post it. I need to stop those internal questions - questions I will never know the answer to really. And frankly, I dont want to know the answers anymore I think...it's nothing to do with me and my life/future.

Santa - thanks for heads-up. I think 12 months ago, I would have been a sucker to buy a 'win your man' back type of book (lordy, ex would have loved to have been a witness to that!). eyewonder - no, there is no relationship between me and ex at all (bare the 'dysfunctional' one of late). Noting to save. Just need to sort out DS (and I do have some fears about how relationship with ex etc will pan out for him once new baby arrives).....

andthatwasthat/Dolly - yep, agree and thanks! I think honestly, I was on tenterhooks for this news (it just came a bit sooner than I imagined), so it does feel like a release for me in a weird way. Far more upsetting (yesterday that is - now it just feels like 'carry on', hope its not shock!) to hear about baby than the other events that have occured in last few months. Yes, will use this as a catapult towards bigger, better and brighter things and to foucs on myself and DS. There is certainly nothing left to fear now and I know that that fear was something that I gave life and energy to, energy that can now be put to good use elsewhere.....hope you are well Dolly now that you are back in sunny Oz!

Patience - get what you mean....I know ex's behaviour patterns (though I have in the past blinded myself to them as I slipped into thinking that he was telling the truth about x, y or z etc). Agree, any attention is like a big old pat on the tummy for ex. Time to disassociate - big-time. I may go back and revisit some of the tools and professional support I had last year, when I had started moving on properly (and I bet if I look back, it will be a case that as I was cutting out emotion with ex, having minimum contact, that would be around the time that he would drop by old house crying, uttering regrets etc...all such a big game).

*Going to see this as a blanket thing now in my way of thinking. I AM torturing myself going over the bare details of said events, so now, its just their life and their events. I was a bit too privvy to the details of these events, but that will/has stopped from today onwards.

** May need some help to stick on course here.....

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Dee34 · 25/01/2012 13:23

mrscynical - huge thanks.Your post so struck a chord with me......that has been my ex down to a tee...life is now perfect, she is perfect, they are perfect. And, yes, it does/did make me feel bad - very bad, especially with the added speed of events, which I interpreted not as madness or folly on their part, but as a big judgement on me and what our relationship had been/hadn't been, so as to propel ex in this manner.....of course, rationally, I can see that isn't the case, but being in his orbit and closely informed of their life going-ons has kept me down in this way. Yes, I will take the hand, lead in changing my life away from him and towards making everything right. I so hope that I will be in the same place as you in 10 years time (and with changes now taking place, hope to be happy again, without distraction from ex). Thank you.

newhorizon - how are things? Thank-you for the lovely words and it is certainly my new aim now (to get over this and keep moving forward without any (unwanted) distractions). Hope things are going well for you and your DD.

So, some brighter things to focus on.......I did have a list I started a few weeks ago. Need to dig it out and re-focus.

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Downunderdolly · 25/01/2012 13:26

Hi Darling

Glad you are feeling a bit more on an even keel today and it sounds like you are being very analytical and self aware about everything which is great. Please don't feel 'bad' though about reacting the way that you did. Quite honestly you have every right to feel upset by it, by the speed of all of the sorry saga and being doorstepped with such news.

But it is the 'proper' start to a new you and what I am sure will be a wonderful future for you. I know I will be torturing myself when it happens with my ex and will be using your above post to navigate it as and when.

Try and see it as a kind of 'freedom'. No more bomb shells can come and you are in the clear blue water - even if it is not the water of your chosing - to find a new life and a new way of living.

Without sounding patronising, I am proud of you lovey. Short post tonight as past midnight and been clearing up garden with help of two backpackers all day so am knackered and then out for dinner tonight with DS and friend as it is Australia Day tomorrow so in 'holidayish' mode. Absolutely torrential rain for most of this week so don't feel envious! Its quite tropical where I am so it is very dank and swamp like at the moment.

I've had a bit of a week with ex but now feel very removed and quite pleased with myself for the way I have reacted. I feel a bit of a sense of freedom myself. Not sure how long it will last but I'm just not willing to get so over wrought about what I consider to be his unreasonableness and am going to 'fight' it by being super calm and measured. I've wasted enough time being floored by him and I think I am better than that and deserve better for myself.

Will get back to you tomorrow when not so befuddled by tiredness.

PS. I bought a cheap high pressure hose to do garden/decks and I have to say its been very cathartic - pointing the water 'gun' at things and cleaning them 'violently' is cheaper than therapy and quite empowering. Not to mention I can imagine inanimate objects to be ex and OW ; ) .....bit like being lara croft but cleaning at the same time ........

Dee34 · 25/01/2012 19:43

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Patienceobtainsallthings · 25/01/2012 19:49

** May need some help to stick on course here.....

no worries ..........
just breakin a filthy habit innit Smile

Patienceobtainsallthings · 25/01/2012 19:50

ps Loving your Lara Croft ,Dolly xxx

Dee34 · 26/01/2012 08:19

ADVICE NEEDED

Sort of a AIBU I guess....

DS was overnight with ex yesterday. Ex sent me a text at 5.45am to say that DS was awake and wanted to speak to me. I didn't hear the text at the time, but picked it up when I woke up around 30 mins later. Ex then phoned (I did not respond to the text) at 6.15am (which is what woke me up). I suspected it was DS up at his usual early time, so decided to ignore it (does that make me a bad mum? I used to answer the phone, esp when in old house, but towards end of last year I thought, actually, ex is so mad keen to be a hands-on dad, let him deal with DS' tears, like I had to, as he has to manage through this, also he was overstepping boundaries, calling me in the evening and at all hours in the night like 3am or 4.30am, as DS was awake and wanted to speak to me). He then phoned again at 7am, but I was in the bathroom, so, feeling a bit guilty, sent him a short email saying 'What is up with DS? If he wants to speak to me, call now, as free'. That was at 7.15am. Got a quick one back 'No, he is fine now. He woke at 4.30am and asked for you'. Fine. I busy myself getting ready for work. Then ANOTHER call at 7.55am. This time from ex's car as he is now on way to drop DS off at nursery. Can hear DS grumbling in the background, try to talk to him, but cant hear, so ex relays what DS has said.....'He wants to go to the train station'.....Eh? Thought he was phoning to speak to me (I think to myself.....then of course my mind whirs into action. New wife obviously goes to the train station). Try to speak to DS, but he either cant hear me or is just in a funk, so I tell ex, why he is taking DS to the train station, he says he isnt but his wife obviously said goodybye to DS and explained where she was going. Cant lie, this did get me riled (images of them being all cosy and DS being upset about her going to the train station - latter is utterly false of course and DS just probably wants to go to the train station full-stop irrespective of who is there, but it's things like this that do send me into overthinking mode etc etc). Also upset a bit, as obviously DS wanted to go to the train station and not necessarily speak with me, but ex thought it right to call me up, now he had a grumpy pre-schooler in his car on his long drive to nursery.....

I will not react - old me (well, me of as late as Monday this week!) would have now sent ex a terse email telling him that he shouldn't be taking DS to the train station (yes, yes, know he cant, but this does rile me up! I fully suspect that he does take DS to the train station to drop wife off on the days he has him - just try not to focus on their happy clappy family image) and that he shouldn't be phoning me up to placate DS and then start in on their daily routines. Am I over-reacting?

I suspect I should not have even bothered answering the phone in the first place.......but, ex has thrown this back in my face more than once. How he has phoned with DS crying for me and I have not answered the phone. Hence, the guilt and, in the end, the factor in me emailing and answering the phone.

And blimey, he has just phoned AGAIN (8.10am). I did not answer!!!!! Probably to tell me off about telling him about boundaries before previous call ended.

PS: I should mention that on Tuesday evening, I sent ex an email outlining future comms (again). How I would only respond to urgent emails about DS when DS was with him. How he should now use the notebook that goes in DS' nursery bag now. No text etc. And he has now broken all those rules - because DS woke up early and wanted to speak to me. Is this valid?

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MsPav · 26/01/2012 08:53

No, he is at it again, and has got into your head once more. Ignore, ignore, ignore.

McNaughty · 26/01/2012 09:11

Ditto what MsPav said. IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE.

Your Ex is now in the real world of having real children who wake up early, make demands, cry, are not rational, who want attention and just some reassurance and love. Don't let him use the day to day hard work of child rearing to get at you.

He'll have to learn to deal with this. Its not your responsibility, nor is your DS suffering in any way. Please don't feel guilty. Your Ex is just tryng to transfer his guilt on to you.

Downunderdolly · 26/01/2012 09:22

Darling

Reiterate above advice. Frankly if DS was EXTREMELY distressed then a call is Ok but it sounds like he was being normal 3.5 year old out of his routine but with his Dad who he sees very regularly so he should have been able to manage his behaviour. I'm also surprised he showed his (ex DH's) vunerability/inability to cope with normal pre school behaviour to you. I really am trying not to be conspiracy theorist about things or suggest things that are not 100% transparent but it sounds like a bit of reaction to your email proposing/outlining distance and structure. It seems like Oh good old Dee didn't really mean that, she will still be there for me 100% of time....if your ex didn't see DS much it could have been valid but given the amount of time he spends with him I would say its just a bit calculated (even if it is not absolutely conscious per se) to try and regain 'control'.

Huge kisses as I know even the suggestion that DS is not 100% is hard. My ex did the same a while ago when DS smashed his new flatscreen with toy (when he was not yet 3). Quite what I was meant to do about it I have no idea as he knew I was at spa for birthday with girlfriend but again it was just a you deal with this/share my pain kind of thing; nothing I could have done.

Love Dolly x

Patienceobtainsallthings · 26/01/2012 10:07

Just stick to your plan Dee ,as you say the more phonecalls the more likely you are to be drawn into their world and thats not healthy,i know personally i would lose my unbiased perspective on a situation if this happened regularly.I used to get the odd phonecall when my ex had the kids,if i missed it i would text asking if everything ok? This is normal,i would do the same if kids were staying over with cousins etc and wanted to speak to me.All the calls this morning are inappropriate and unnecessary shouldnt b texting at 5.45 am ,he should be seeing to ds.
Cut urself loose from his neediness,lord knows you dont want to be hearing about every detail of his life anymore,even if he wants to share it.

Dee34 · 26/01/2012 11:30

Thanks for the reality check - much, much appreciated. I think I was sort of thinking 'this is not right, this is the sort of thing someone would do if they were in a realtionship with that other person and the other person was just away for the night or something' but, I had the guilt of thinking 'gosh, what if DS really was extremely distressed, hyperventilating and wanting some reassurance?'. Ditto texts and calls at 5.45am/6.15am, was thinking, hmm, is this an emergency, but DS wakes up every day at 5.30am or earlier (muggins here used to be the one to get up with him every day when we were together) and can imagine that being in a new house will take a bit of getting used to as well. But this has given me another dose of clarity about ex, he obviously has so little respect for me that he cant stop and think 'ahhhh, Dee34 may still be asleep as it's 5.45am and DS is with me, or she may have company. I wont call now, but will explain to DS that his mummy is still sleeping and we can maybe try and call later on when she is awake'. No, I am there at his beck and call as and when he needs it.....And in the end, after all that, DS was not overly fussed to be speaking to me anyway (which I can deal with as know how pre-schoolers live in the 'moment' and out of sight can be very much out of mind).

Yes, not happy that I had to get drawn into their world of morning routines and breakfast scenes and interactions with DS as it does just make my imagination go into overdrive (and its already been through the mill this week - feel very emotionally and physically tired right now).

He did not leave a message after his last call at 8.10am and no email or text from him (thank goodness!) and no combative emails from me berating his actions (only as I know that would trigger a flurry of emails where I get called unreasonable, told to accept x, y or z, etc). So, feeling very glad that I didn't get drawn into that and his neediness.

100% ignoring, ignoring, ignoring......

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oldwomaninashoe · 26/01/2012 11:52

Dee, as the others said IGNORE
If you are really concerned 'phone nursery to find out how Ds is/was, do not respond to ex.

To second what Mrs Cynical said the other day, your ex is very fickle and falls in and out of love easily. You have this insight his new wife does not!

mummytime · 26/01/2012 12:06

Don't answer the phone, you really do need to tell him he can only call you to sort out arrangements (or do this by email) or in a real emergency. He is perfectly capable of looking after normal everyday events.
If you DS woke at 5:30 and asked to speak to your ex, would you phone him? Of course not.
If one of my kids asks to speak to their father when he is away, we don't phone him, we wait until the next time he phones (usually); and we're not separated.
You not answering is normal. Him expecting you to is controlling, and he needs to get over it.