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Feeling lost and lonely (ex had an affair and left us - WE ARE MOVING ON!)

535 replies

Dee34 · 30/10/2011 17:20

Hopefully, I have done this correctly?!

Old thread here Thread1

Hi All,

This is my first post on these boards, though I have posted my story elsewhere......I just cant seem to stop thinking and mulling over things and searching for answers

Bit of a long story, but to start from the beginning, on Tuesday 28th Dec my ex announced that he was not in love with me anymore (usual cliches about being best friends, love you but etc). This of course sent me into a tailspin as I had just endured an awful xmas at his parents in Scotland that he insisted we go to (dont get on with his folks as they have never helped us out with DS and ex always seemed to avoid confrontation and would never raise any issues directly with them which made for an increasingly tense atmosphere). For background, back in November when I knew I would not be able to hack another xmas there and so I suggested we stay here and have a little family xmas, he told me that I was playing with people emotions by changing my mind and that I could stay here at home if I wanted but he and DS (2.5 years old) were going to Scotland regardless!! I guess I should have sussed that something was a bit iffy but I just brushed it off at the time (by Nov, affair had been going on for a month and actually between Oct - start of affair - and the bombshell in Dec, there was a difference in ex's attitude which I only really pin-pointed in the last few weeks). Anyway, we had a terrible night on the 28th - lots of crying, very emotional etc. I asked him if he was seeing someone else and he said no. I asked him to swear on DS life (childish I know, but said this in the heat of the moment) to which he replied no, he won't swear on his life as he doesn't do that sort of stuff but he held his hands up and promised he was telling the truth. I of course believed him as for me this was all out of the blue..On the Weds, I was quite teary and by lunchtime ex was saying that he was confused, needed some space etc. I said how about he stay in a hotel nearby and come round every day to see DS, take him out etc. I even phoned up several hotels for him to check rates and availability! This was during DS nap and by the time I had gone upstairs to get him, ex had done a spreadsheet and had decided he wanted to go to San Francisco instead. Some fluff about always liking San Fran from work trips (he has been there several times in the past year for genuine work reasons). Again, naïve fool that I was I agreed to him going. We drew up a list of issues that we would both think and work through (usual - lack of sex, though we were trying for baby number 2, arguing, his parents etc) and agreed not to tell any friends or family about what was happening until we knew what was happening ourselves so no one could 'influence' us. So ex went to San Fran and DS and I stayed here (everyone assumed he was here with us during whole period). Anyway, as soon as he was in San Fran his tone and attititude completely changed and he became very distant (he was relaxing and not looking at the issues or given them any thought etc). I finally 'broke' on NYE and asked him what was going on etc and that's when he said he had met someone but that nothing had happened between them, which was actually a lie.

To cut a long story short, he came back on Weds 5th Jan, determined not to work things out. Over the weeks I have learnt that other woman lives and works in San Fran, they met on a work trip in mid Oct last year (in a bar - only kissed - met on the second to last day before he headed back to the UK), had DAILY contact from the time ex returned home, started sleeping together during his next work trip out there in early Dec (a 5 night work trip) and that he was with her all along when he abandoned us over NYE to go to San Fran - he was having a lovely holiday, planning his life with her, whilst I was here like a muppet, trying to get an appointment with a sex therapist (as I obviously had 'issues'!). She is 30 (7 years younger than us) and had moved to San Fran from Nashville in June last year, so seems to me like there were a couple of lonely fools that met over some cocktails? Ex keeps banging on about how she is leaving her life over there (not quite sure what she is giving up bar a job and accommodation compared to what he is gambling with) to be with him, how he loves her so much, never felt like this before about anyone including me - starting to make me a bit sick if I'm honest. If you added up all the days they had actually been together from mid Oct to just before that post xmas trip, it amounts to around 6-7 days actually physically together and they weren't even together 24/7 as he was actually working on these two work trips (have confirmed with a colleague). So it was just hooking up at night and having lots of fresh and exciting nookie? Rest has been built around a deep emotional attachement from their daily calls/text/emails/webcams etc (probaby worse than having random one night stands I think). I think that even now tally of days is around 16 or so when you add on the NYE trip. But that is enough for her to give up her life and job and move here to be with him and he reckons she will be here in 3 months time (until then they will be racking up airmiles). I just dont understand it at all......I guess they are soulmates or star-crossed lovers that were destined to meet?! Everyone keeps telling me that he will one day wake up and see what he has done or that they will break up as soon as she gets here, but the flipside is that they may be together for a long while and that is something that I am now trying to reconcile with - esp as she will effectively be playing stepmum to DS even though ex doesn't really know anything about her bar what she has told him and shown him during their limited time together (of course there is the very real possibility that he is even lying about dates and that this all started way before Oct. I don't know and to be honest, don't care now as all it would prove is that he is more selfish and a bigger cheat and liar than first thought)....

Throughout all of this, ex has been going on about he need to be happy and how he has acted out of self preservation. And he has variously been unhappy for the last few months, 6 months, 9 months, 15 months, 18 months depending on what mood you catch him in when you speak to him.....unhappy for so long that I didn't notice it and yet only gets the balls to leave once he meets someone else? I can accept that we didn't have a 100% perfect relationship, but we had been together for 11 years and of course share DS so am shocked and hurt that it ended in this way. For his part, ex varies between assuming no guilt and saying that the affair was symptomatic of our relationship to wanting to do 2010 over again and make different choices and regretting going to the US over NYE and for making us go to Scotland over Xmas (apparently, as I made the atmosphere so tense for everyone, this was the last push towards making him decide to leave us.....though he hasn't commented on how his dad did his usual show of drinking 2 bottles of wine on xmas eve and not bothering to get up until gone midday so we were all sat around waiting for him as usual...).

Anyway, since then things have lurched along. He has said some horrid things to me and treated me like a fool at the best of times. I think he is so deeply entrenched in his feelings for the other woman that he has forgotten I am DS mum (again, keep asking myself, how and why can he feel so deeply for someone he has spent barely any time with?). For me, the hardest part now is facing up to the reality that I will no longer see my son every day as we move towards shared access and custody. Also hard is the fact that this other woman will be interacting with DS as and when he is staying with them. I do secretly hope that they both go back to the US (surely to happen if and when they have kids and don't think she will wait around for long as she does seem besotted with ex for some bizzare reason - her FB profile is a pic of them in you guessed it an aiprort!...) and ex only comes back here on his tod to see DS for holidays (selfish I know, but I can indulge a fantasy I guess).

Is he deluded or am I???? He has been focused on work a lot and seems to have lost a lot of his friends and social life - which I had noticed and tried to encourage him to get back up again. I am just heartbroken that he could do this to us - esp the cold and calculating way he abandoned us to go to San Fran to be with her over NYE and the fact that in the last 7 weeks our house has now gone on the market (cant afford it myself) and I am now out looking for any old job to support myself (oh, forgot to say, that I had taken voluntary redundancy from a very well paid job last March with his encouragement! When I called him up on this he said, 'oh well, but you didn't like that job anyway!!!')......
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Inbetween all the crying and anger, I do feel like I am going crazy........This is playing on my mind a lot now as he has just flown out today to go and see her in San Fran (6 night holiday, so will take their tally up to 21-22 days or so). It pains me that he will be taking her out for meals, whereas I had to practically nag him to death to book a babysitter for our anniversary in Dec ('nagged' him, as I usually arranged everything and was in need of some attention after his work trip - of course, I now know why he wasn't that bothered...). He will be having cosy conversations and intimate chats planning their future for when she moves here and talking about our son.

Does it get better? Does anyone have a crystal ball and can tell me they wont last....??!!

And how can I move on? I have tried the whole no contact thing - which worked for a while, but then I broke and sent him a long message about how he had ruined my life.... . I have read a ton of post affair books (including not just friends) but still struggle to make sense of it all some days. I know that he will definitely not come back as he has said this several times as he no longer loves me and the deep feelings he has for the OW. Trying to be positive but it is so, so hard some days........

OP posts:
wellthatsdoneit · 30/03/2012 12:53

Just dropping in quickly to say hello to everyone and hope you are all ok. There have been some shenanigans at my end but everything is basically on a more or less even keel. I think the shenanigans interrupt my grief process which means its very stop start which is one of the reasons why its taking so long. I would not be surprised if I hit another slump soon once the shenanigans are sorted!

The martinis sound good - count me in for one of those.

Love to all xxxx

Downunderdolly · 08/04/2012 00:26

Hello Everyone

Happy Easter! Just a quickie to say hello and to let you all know I am surviving DS's first holiday with his Dad....he is away for 5 nights (longest I have been away from him is 2 nights before) and am in the City for a few days catching up with old friends and even a second date today (whoop whoop) .....former husband told me a week ago that he couldn't pay child support until a month later again this month due to unexpected bills.....I said fine, I have some diving gear of yours under house which under terms of our agreement is legally mine - I have a friend who wants to buy it (worth lots) so will sell it to him for the exact amount you owe.....FIVE minutes later I get a very 'nice and apologetic' text telling me had just received some commission that was owed him that VERY minute and he was sorry CS was late but it was transfered - AMAZING co-incidence huh? Still you will be very proud of me. I just texted back simply saying 'good. thanks'......he has actually been very out of typical behavious this weekend and send me photo of DS with Easter basket which was nice and again I said thank you (I'd asked him to send me photos but assumed he would do so after w/end as he never normally communicates)...he also LISTENED (hallelujah) as he has spent last few months saying to DS that he was going camping and then suddenly he tells me he isn't but not communicated to DS who was beside himself with excitement and was telling EVERYONE we met he was going camping with Daddy.....I suggested he borrow tent and camp in garden which they have done and apparently DS very much enjoyed it....

.....also doing a bit more WORK (hurrah) so all in all thing looking up for now....hope everyone is eating lots of chocolate and being wonderful women.

Lots of love
Dolly in the City (eating Cadbury Cream Eggs)

springydaffs · 12/04/2012 17:33

belated Easter greetings to you too Dolly - and to one and all! [easter smile, now defunct].

Yes Dolly, I am being a wonderful woman Grin What a slimeball to drag his feet over the money. But we knew he was a slimeball eh . I hope you find ever more resourceful ways to make sure your turd of an ex coughs up the goods on time in future.

ah, people zip in and out of this thread now, everyone getting on with their lives . I hope everyone is well

ParsleyTheLioness · 13/04/2012 08:39

Hi all, do you mind if I join in? Have been lurking for a while, as Dee's story is kinda similar to mine, and has things in common with all of you. Common denominator, getting involved with a fwit I suppose. How are you Dee?
Also, Dolly well done you! Need to ask you for tips methinks. I still want to rip STBX's head off, which is not conducive to calm negotiation of anything. Mind you he is stil being a bit of fwit. so no change there.

wellthatsdoneit · 13/04/2012 22:02

Oh, I'm glad people are still here. I was going to come back to this thread tonight to see if anyone was around. I think of you all often and hope the quietness on the thread means that things are trotting along smoothly for you all.

Just spent the last two days in a room with fuckface and mediators re the children. I am emotionally and mentally exhausted. We very nearly reached an agreement which was scuppered at the end because, in short, ff is a ff.

I think I've reached the end of the road in terms of trying to offer olive branches for the sake of the children and forge a more concilliatory co-parenting relationship with him. He as good as said in mediation "Yes, I do spiteful things to Well, even if it means penalising the children, and yes, I ride roughshod over our agreements and have no respect for her or her opinions or feelings, and no, I don't have any intention of taking any steps to change any of this even if it is in the interests of the children's wellbeing."

You want to go to court mister? Do ya? DO YA??? Cos you've thrown everything you can at me, done the very worst things to me that you can, and I'm still here. There's nothing more you can do to me now, you've played all of your cards and lost each time. Even at rock fucking bottom I've still taken the shit you've flung at me and won. I can only get stronger from here, it can only get easier for me emotionally, whilst your position gets weaker. I've faced you in court before in far worse circumstances and won. I've got quite a lot to say about your conduct and a court of law is as good a place as any to air it so BRING IT THE FUCK ON.

And ladies, just in case my feelings weren't clear enough, I leave you tonight with this:

The dogs at the end is my favourite bit.
Downunderdolly · 14/04/2012 07:59

hello everyone - good to hear from you springy and well and welcome parsley (very very welcome although not sure if thread is on its last legs or not).

well - I just wanted to say that despite the fact you are in a vile place you sound SO MUCH STRONGER. I am proud of you. Listen to yourself. You are not rolling over. You know what you are worth. You know he hasn't taken the bet of you. you ROCK. even if you don't see it right now. GOOD LUCK with it all. It tis indeed a shitfest.

I'm OK. Super stressed with house and non child support AGAIN...also second date went well but a bit south since so a bit flat but its all learning hey?

Kisses to one and all
Dolly (no longer eating cream eggs but about to start on the Sancerre ; )

wellthatsdoneit · 14/04/2012 11:24

Hi Dolly - you sound much stronger too which I am very pleased to see. I'm sorry I can't remember the exact details of your maintenance arrangments with your former husband, but is it something formally recorded in a court order or something more informal agreed between you? If the latter then its perhaps worth getting something more formal in place so you don't have to deal with arseholery every month.

I'm still not getting a bean from the children's father for their maintenance. Bleats on that he is BROKE because of LEGAL BILLS and NOT BEING ABLE TO SELL THE HOUSE. Well then, stop arsing around, make me a suitable financial settlement offer, make a list of the contents of the house so we can divide it up, and the get the fuck on with it. Oh, foreign holidays with the 'new' girlfriend don't really come cheap either so you could always give some thought to reassessing your priorities but I don't see a cold day in hell happening any time soon.

I am resolute when it comes to the children - they are my priority and the reality is that they are not their father's priority so they only have one parent putting them first now. That is unshakeable and anyone who attempts to destabilise that or otherwise get in the way of me and them is really going to find out what I'm made of and a) I don't think they're going to like it and b) they're going to lose. I don't know how much fuckface will have taken away with him yesterday, and I'm sure that when it's clunking around in his thick lunken skull he'll reinterpret it to a way that suits his current agenda and justifies his behaviour. However, he cannot have failed to notice yesterday that I will never never never give up. I will keep getting up after every missile bullet and bomb thrown from him and I will keep batting them back more successfully than him. I will continue to exist and I will outlast him, because I am irritating like that, and not only will I make myself an unwelcome presence at his funeral, I will come with a placard to place on his tombstone which reads "Licensed For Dancing", and then I will kick my heels up and cut the rug.

I'm sorry for all the ranting ladies - it's been a long time coming. Other than that though I feel like a pile of shite. It was very painful for me to have to sit through him saying how important his girlfriend is and how it is imperative that the children are introduced to her and how he is prepared to scupper the whole deal we almost made yesterday if this particular point is not agreed immediately (I didn't say never by the way, I just said I wasn't at the point yesterday after two sleepless nights and being put through the emotional mincer again to give it proper thought but that we should revisit the issue after christmas at the next mediation session as I think it is something which needs proper consideration).

I am still devastated, bereft, grief stricken, feeling rejected, worthless, humiliated, unloveable and all those horrible things, and I still don't know how to accept it or move on or I gladly would. I do also know of course that I am mourning the idea of my life and the idea of who I thought my ex was and not of course the vile reality of him.

Parsley - welcome! Do you want to offload some of your emotions here with us? It is a good place to decompress and you will get stirling advice and support.

Dee, Patience, Springy and all the other wonderful ladies on this thread - where are you?! I hope the silence means you are too busy quaffing cocktails and being wooed by minor members of european royal families in swiss ski resorts - even if so, come and regale us with your tales of wonderfulness!

xxxxx

ParsleyTheLioness · 14/04/2012 12:55

Thanks all. Discovered yesterday how much it might cost me to buy his bit of the marital home, and am horrified. I brought major equity into the home, which the solicitor at the time could have protected, and didn't.... If he insists on fighting for my share too, will probably have to have our day in court, and have lots of equity eaten up by legal bills. May have to sell the house, which I am really not in a good place to cope with right now. Holding it together for the divorce, but I'm hanging on like one of those Chad figures....Hate the fwit, hate what he's done to our family, for no other reason that he was an abusive arse, who eventually decided he would try online dating....

wellthatsdoneit · 14/04/2012 15:23

I'm sorry to hear you're going through this Parsley. I can understand the pain you are in, and the sense of injustice. I am coping with my older dc this afternoon who said for the first time "I want Daddy" and got upset. I now have nothing but contempt for the man who has foisted these circumstances upon us all in order to satisfy himself. I feel so sorry for my children but I will make sure I do everything in my power to see to it that they have the best lives possible in the circumstances we are in.

I don't know your financial and living circumstances or even if there are children involved, but, are you happy with your solicitor? You know that there are many who'll give you a free initial consultation so you can 'shop around' before deciding who to go with. You also don't particularly have to go with one in your area if you have a recommendation for one outside of your area (mine isn't - i've only met her once and we've done everything else over the phone/email, but she is very specialised in international custody matters and came highly recommended). I think it's important you have someone who you have a good rapport with and feel is going to fight your corner because there may be times when you are going to need more help from an emotional point of view.

Hang in there Parsley.
xxx

wellthatsdoneit · 14/04/2012 15:27

Also, whenever you receive news which isn't what you wanted (and that's not to say that it is not going to change) it's going to be particularly difficult to acknowledge when you are feeling low emotionally. Just take it day by day, minute by minute if necessary - its new information, and if its unwelcome its going to take time to process - but you will process it and then you will deal with it. Give yourself time to regroup from it - its all part of the adjustment you have had to make in your life.
xxx

ParsleyTheLioness · 14/04/2012 16:35

Thanks Well. Yes, I feel quite confident in my solicitor. I kinda interviewed her first, cos I remember the horror of feeling that my last solicitor, for my last divorce (duh, why am I here again) was more interested in my tits than fighting my corner.
You are quite right, I need to regroup a bit. I have this week taken the bull by the horns, gone back to the sol to start stuff off (I went in November, but I was going to leave it for two year seperation, then decided I didn't want it hanging over us). Also, have arranged for the rest of his stuff to be gone, so I am facing it more. Which isgood, but painful...
Thanks for the advice and good wishes. My dd is 14, and has worked out for herself that ~STBX is a fwit, but there were issues at school, but she has benefited from the counselling on offer there. Must be hard when they can't understand, so hugs to you too. x

Patienceobtainsallthings · 15/04/2012 06:31

Glad you are feeling feisty Well.Took me a long time to disconnect from my X emotionally but so much of that was habit and complete and utter disbelief of the whole situation.I ain't spoken to him since July, the bloke is a fucking Muppet. He has never replied to one sols letter and nobody knows where he lives now so divorce is on hold. AGAIN.no Csa anymore as he isn't signing on.Just a twat.But after 2 1/2 yrs I honestly feel free.I am finishing a course and doing some voluntary work and hopefully get a paid post in the future.Keep nourishing urselves & loving urselves, rid urself of the DOOM that these men try and force upon u.They are inadequate and irresponsible, and we flourish without 'em xxx

ParsleyTheLioness · 15/04/2012 06:46

Hi Patience, I was wondering about going on the Freedom programme lots of MNers have mentioned. Any thoughts?

springydaffs · 15/04/2012 09:26

I'm not patience but I recommend the Freedom Programme! I'm doing it again at the mo, even though my horror happened many years ago and I've done the Freedom Programme a few times. It helps to get your head straight. I hate to say it but I am having similar problems with my kids - so dire warning alert: get your kids away from these muppet/fwit/vile/irresponsible/inadequate men who spread DOOM.

ParsleyTheLioness · 15/04/2012 09:47

Thanks daffs...fwit seems to be ok with dd at the moment. Fortunatley she is 14 and savvy enough to know when she is being played. I have emailed them to see if there is anywhere near me.

Patienceobtainsallthings · 15/04/2012 11:08

Never done the freedom programme but have been in touch with WA.Dont know if there is anything like that up here will have a look x

Patienceobtainsallthings · 15/04/2012 11:45

Just found it on Amazon think I will send for it x

ParsleyTheLioness · 15/04/2012 14:41

I thought you could actually physically attend a course...go to a church hall or something. Is a correspondence course the only way to do it? confused.com...

Patienceobtainsallthings · 15/04/2012 14:54

No just depends what area ur in :)

ParsleyTheLioness · 15/04/2012 15:32

Ok, don't know if I can face homework-by-post...

springydaffs · 16/04/2012 12:12

Teh Freedom Programme is all over the country - unusual if you can't find a place near you to attend. It's better, if you can, to go along to the meetings - you meet other women in a similar situation. Nothing like meeting people who know what it's like so you don't have to explain.

ParsleyTheLioness · 16/04/2012 12:48

Ok, waiting for them to email me. Thanks.

wellthatsdoneit · 16/04/2012 12:50

How is everyone doing today? I've just sent off a rather resolutely worded email to my solicitor and said I will call her tomorrow to discuss further.

Have to turn my attentions to Form E too but am going to do it when I have regrouped a little from last week. Disclosure is planned for next week but it'll get done when it gets done. I'm in no mood to put myself out on a personal level anymore. It'll go at my pace and this will be dictated by protecting the best interests of myself and the children.

Has anyone heard from Dee lately? Is she having a break from MN, or is she just motoring along and doing real life things? I hope she is doing splendidly.
xxxxx

Patienceobtainsallthings · 16/04/2012 16:28

Not very many groups in Scotland but they are working on it x

ParsleyTheLioness · 16/04/2012 21:22

Fwit is coming on Sunday to get the bulkof his stuff. Really not looking forward to this, although I will move as much as I can into the garage. Would have liked to have done it on Saturday, but I am working, and am not sure after work will be the best time. But neither is waiting until Sunday...At least if he came on Saturday afternoon, it would be done.