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Feeling lost and lonely (ex had an affair and left us - WE ARE MOVING ON!)

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Dee34 · 30/10/2011 17:20

Hopefully, I have done this correctly?!

Old thread here Thread1

Hi All,

This is my first post on these boards, though I have posted my story elsewhere......I just cant seem to stop thinking and mulling over things and searching for answers

Bit of a long story, but to start from the beginning, on Tuesday 28th Dec my ex announced that he was not in love with me anymore (usual cliches about being best friends, love you but etc). This of course sent me into a tailspin as I had just endured an awful xmas at his parents in Scotland that he insisted we go to (dont get on with his folks as they have never helped us out with DS and ex always seemed to avoid confrontation and would never raise any issues directly with them which made for an increasingly tense atmosphere). For background, back in November when I knew I would not be able to hack another xmas there and so I suggested we stay here and have a little family xmas, he told me that I was playing with people emotions by changing my mind and that I could stay here at home if I wanted but he and DS (2.5 years old) were going to Scotland regardless!! I guess I should have sussed that something was a bit iffy but I just brushed it off at the time (by Nov, affair had been going on for a month and actually between Oct - start of affair - and the bombshell in Dec, there was a difference in ex's attitude which I only really pin-pointed in the last few weeks). Anyway, we had a terrible night on the 28th - lots of crying, very emotional etc. I asked him if he was seeing someone else and he said no. I asked him to swear on DS life (childish I know, but said this in the heat of the moment) to which he replied no, he won't swear on his life as he doesn't do that sort of stuff but he held his hands up and promised he was telling the truth. I of course believed him as for me this was all out of the blue..On the Weds, I was quite teary and by lunchtime ex was saying that he was confused, needed some space etc. I said how about he stay in a hotel nearby and come round every day to see DS, take him out etc. I even phoned up several hotels for him to check rates and availability! This was during DS nap and by the time I had gone upstairs to get him, ex had done a spreadsheet and had decided he wanted to go to San Francisco instead. Some fluff about always liking San Fran from work trips (he has been there several times in the past year for genuine work reasons). Again, naïve fool that I was I agreed to him going. We drew up a list of issues that we would both think and work through (usual - lack of sex, though we were trying for baby number 2, arguing, his parents etc) and agreed not to tell any friends or family about what was happening until we knew what was happening ourselves so no one could 'influence' us. So ex went to San Fran and DS and I stayed here (everyone assumed he was here with us during whole period). Anyway, as soon as he was in San Fran his tone and attititude completely changed and he became very distant (he was relaxing and not looking at the issues or given them any thought etc). I finally 'broke' on NYE and asked him what was going on etc and that's when he said he had met someone but that nothing had happened between them, which was actually a lie.

To cut a long story short, he came back on Weds 5th Jan, determined not to work things out. Over the weeks I have learnt that other woman lives and works in San Fran, they met on a work trip in mid Oct last year (in a bar - only kissed - met on the second to last day before he headed back to the UK), had DAILY contact from the time ex returned home, started sleeping together during his next work trip out there in early Dec (a 5 night work trip) and that he was with her all along when he abandoned us over NYE to go to San Fran - he was having a lovely holiday, planning his life with her, whilst I was here like a muppet, trying to get an appointment with a sex therapist (as I obviously had 'issues'!). She is 30 (7 years younger than us) and had moved to San Fran from Nashville in June last year, so seems to me like there were a couple of lonely fools that met over some cocktails? Ex keeps banging on about how she is leaving her life over there (not quite sure what she is giving up bar a job and accommodation compared to what he is gambling with) to be with him, how he loves her so much, never felt like this before about anyone including me - starting to make me a bit sick if I'm honest. If you added up all the days they had actually been together from mid Oct to just before that post xmas trip, it amounts to around 6-7 days actually physically together and they weren't even together 24/7 as he was actually working on these two work trips (have confirmed with a colleague). So it was just hooking up at night and having lots of fresh and exciting nookie? Rest has been built around a deep emotional attachement from their daily calls/text/emails/webcams etc (probaby worse than having random one night stands I think). I think that even now tally of days is around 16 or so when you add on the NYE trip. But that is enough for her to give up her life and job and move here to be with him and he reckons she will be here in 3 months time (until then they will be racking up airmiles). I just dont understand it at all......I guess they are soulmates or star-crossed lovers that were destined to meet?! Everyone keeps telling me that he will one day wake up and see what he has done or that they will break up as soon as she gets here, but the flipside is that they may be together for a long while and that is something that I am now trying to reconcile with - esp as she will effectively be playing stepmum to DS even though ex doesn't really know anything about her bar what she has told him and shown him during their limited time together (of course there is the very real possibility that he is even lying about dates and that this all started way before Oct. I don't know and to be honest, don't care now as all it would prove is that he is more selfish and a bigger cheat and liar than first thought)....

Throughout all of this, ex has been going on about he need to be happy and how he has acted out of self preservation. And he has variously been unhappy for the last few months, 6 months, 9 months, 15 months, 18 months depending on what mood you catch him in when you speak to him.....unhappy for so long that I didn't notice it and yet only gets the balls to leave once he meets someone else? I can accept that we didn't have a 100% perfect relationship, but we had been together for 11 years and of course share DS so am shocked and hurt that it ended in this way. For his part, ex varies between assuming no guilt and saying that the affair was symptomatic of our relationship to wanting to do 2010 over again and make different choices and regretting going to the US over NYE and for making us go to Scotland over Xmas (apparently, as I made the atmosphere so tense for everyone, this was the last push towards making him decide to leave us.....though he hasn't commented on how his dad did his usual show of drinking 2 bottles of wine on xmas eve and not bothering to get up until gone midday so we were all sat around waiting for him as usual...).

Anyway, since then things have lurched along. He has said some horrid things to me and treated me like a fool at the best of times. I think he is so deeply entrenched in his feelings for the other woman that he has forgotten I am DS mum (again, keep asking myself, how and why can he feel so deeply for someone he has spent barely any time with?). For me, the hardest part now is facing up to the reality that I will no longer see my son every day as we move towards shared access and custody. Also hard is the fact that this other woman will be interacting with DS as and when he is staying with them. I do secretly hope that they both go back to the US (surely to happen if and when they have kids and don't think she will wait around for long as she does seem besotted with ex for some bizzare reason - her FB profile is a pic of them in you guessed it an aiprort!...) and ex only comes back here on his tod to see DS for holidays (selfish I know, but I can indulge a fantasy I guess).

Is he deluded or am I???? He has been focused on work a lot and seems to have lost a lot of his friends and social life - which I had noticed and tried to encourage him to get back up again. I am just heartbroken that he could do this to us - esp the cold and calculating way he abandoned us to go to San Fran to be with her over NYE and the fact that in the last 7 weeks our house has now gone on the market (cant afford it myself) and I am now out looking for any old job to support myself (oh, forgot to say, that I had taken voluntary redundancy from a very well paid job last March with his encouragement! When I called him up on this he said, 'oh well, but you didn't like that job anyway!!!')......
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Inbetween all the crying and anger, I do feel like I am going crazy........This is playing on my mind a lot now as he has just flown out today to go and see her in San Fran (6 night holiday, so will take their tally up to 21-22 days or so). It pains me that he will be taking her out for meals, whereas I had to practically nag him to death to book a babysitter for our anniversary in Dec ('nagged' him, as I usually arranged everything and was in need of some attention after his work trip - of course, I now know why he wasn't that bothered...). He will be having cosy conversations and intimate chats planning their future for when she moves here and talking about our son.

Does it get better? Does anyone have a crystal ball and can tell me they wont last....??!!

And how can I move on? I have tried the whole no contact thing - which worked for a while, but then I broke and sent him a long message about how he had ruined my life.... . I have read a ton of post affair books (including not just friends) but still struggle to make sense of it all some days. I know that he will definitely not come back as he has said this several times as he no longer loves me and the deep feelings he has for the OW. Trying to be positive but it is so, so hard some days........

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McNaughty · 01/02/2012 09:16

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Downunderdolly · 01/02/2012 09:31

Hi Darl

I think I may have mentioned this before but if you like I can scan/send my contact agreement to you as an outline. It also mentions 'default' access for mothers day/fathers day/birthday/xmas/amount of time son can miss school without agreement for holidays/amount of time ex can have him/notice required for holiday etc.

Obviously I hope that in time we will email and agree outside of the base agreement BUT I think it is useful to have in case of conflict/unexpected developments to fall back on if things get tough.

I'm having a bit of a hmmm day as ex has asked to extend the easter w/end (its his w/end) by 3 nights - this will be 5 nights - the longest i've ever been away from son. Happy for son he actually wants to take him but bizarely a bit upset by it even though I know it was coming and it will be nice for son (assume they are going with OW and her son).....that said currently considering selling engagement ring and going on yoga retreat in Bali for a week and getting ex to have him for longer...thoughts...would be financially fairly irresponsible but part of me thinks fuck it......

lots of love to all.

springydaffs · 01/02/2012 11:14

Definitely worth nailing it down legally - actually, worth its weight in gold tbf, a necessity , despite cost. I would sidle up to it iiwy Dee; take advice and get the bare bones sorted out first without letting him know what you are doing or that you are doing it legally. Maybe you could wait until his eye is off the ball with the new baby before making it legally formal? You know him and when the best time would be to strike. Do you play poker? Wink

Heard about a site on which you can sell gifts etc from former lovers/spouses - don 't know the addy but the woman who set it up is Annabell Acton - google? I'm thinking of selling my rings too Dolly and you can't get a decent price for them on the high street. I'd also be watching him that he doesn't gradually erm incorporate ds into a new happy family ... (I know I sound nuts but ime you can't be too careful and better to be safe than sorry, he's already got you up the creek without a paddle Sad). ime in both your situations, get a legal cast iron boundary in place and don't blur the boundaries. Your ex's aren't to be trusted.

Of course, well Smile

mummytime · 01/02/2012 11:24

I would go to a solicitor to get a water tight agreement (but follow the advice on choosing the best time to get him to sign it).
Do remember that the norm for taking kids out of school in the UK is never, and a lot of schools have a policy of only agreeing an absence (other than medical reasons) only in exceptional circumstances, and that doesn't include a family wedding as I discovered. So you would be perfectly reasonable to have no "taking out of school" written into any agreement.

TG is a much bigger family celebration in the US than Christmas BTW, I wonder if your DH realises that, just as Hogmanay is to at least some Scots.

Patienceobtainsallthings · 01/02/2012 12:37

Desperately need yoga break in Bali ,wow that idea has just blown my head off.Def go if you can ,nourish yourself Dolly you sooooo deserve it.

wheredidiputit · 01/02/2012 13:12

I would say no and keepsaying no to TG,as not only will ds be at school but he will bein the middle of doing all the school christmas things. From making cards to practicing for the Navitiy Play.

wellthatsdoneit · 01/02/2012 13:42

Hmmm. Am just thinking of an american friend of mine (male) who lived overseas and had taken his kids back to america for a visit last year. When he was leaving the US he got questioned by the authorities and they very nearly prevented him from getting on the flight. In fact he had to buy a return ticket back to the US to pacify them, even though he and the kids didn't actually live there and were in fact going out of america home

Even more reason for you and your ex to both sign a document (when the time comes) which indicates where DS's place of habitual residence is. If he refuses to sign it then you know you've got trouble ahead and he can't be trusted.

wellthatsdoneit · 01/02/2012 13:43

Oh, have PM'd you too saffy Smile

wellthatsdoneit · 01/02/2012 13:44

And Dolly - get thee to a Balinese yoga retreat! There's not a doctor in the land who wouldn't deem it medically necessary.

springydaffs · 01/02/2012 15:24

Just found a letter and doc which may be of relevance to yous re passports, border authorities etc. It is from info received in 2003 - things may well have changed.

It is a long document but mentions 'lodging a caveat' (facilitated through a Court Order) to prevent passport facilities being granted, and the letter is signed by a Caveat Officer at a UK Passport Service agency.

it mentions a 'port precautions scheme' to prevent unlawful and permanent removal of children abroad, which is (was) not operated through the Passport Agency but through the local police; stating that if the possibility of removal is real or imminent that the police may agree to circulate the child/rens' names to port departure points in england, NI, Wales, Scotland.

there is mention of a booklet entitled "Child Abduction", produced by the Lord Chancellor's Dept - obtainable from The Lord Chancellor's Dept, Foreign and Commonwealth Office - or from a passport agency.

This info could well be out of date entirely but eg terms like Caveat Officer etc may be helpful.

wellthatsdoneit · 01/02/2012 17:58

That's very useful for me too - thank you springydaffs.

Sorry to impinge on dee's thread. Is anyone there? Just found out via my brother that my ex puts pictures of him and his girlfriend up on facebook. I am so so devastated and heartbroken and destroyed. Obviously I know she exists but such an extent, and to trumpet her loudly on the internet, when he must realise he still has my family members on there. It's soul destroyed. I feel bereft. I don't feel like I will ever get over this.

wellthatsdoneit · 01/02/2012 17:59

I feel like I'm disintegrating. It's been pretty bad the last couple of days because ex has been very bullying in terms of the children etc. I'm not sure I can cope for much longer.

Patienceobtainsallthings · 01/02/2012 19:30

im here well if you want a chat or pm me and dump out anything if u need too

Patienceobtainsallthings · 01/02/2012 19:51

Just remember the opposite of respect is abuse
They have no shame
He will not spare your feelings
You have to work on your own self care.
He will continue to try and push your buttons.
Detatch as much as you can , my exs actions still leave me shocked but at least i dont have to live in that world and neither do my kids .

McNaughty · 01/02/2012 20:31

Well sounds as if you feel you've been knocked by the FB information and the 'normality' of it all. Its as though you didn't exist. It also feels so final.

But you do exist, and you have the right to be treated with respect and the time you were together (including your DCs) is part of that. At no point do you have to do his bidding just because he wants everything to fit into his revised view of the world.

Patience is right. You have to take care of yourself, even if its just getting through today. Rest when you can and do feel pushed into making any decisions until you are ready. You are not compelled to go at his pace or take his bullying. Slowly gather your strength, in your own time and take small steps towards being detached from him. It will get better, but for now focus on yourself and things that need to be done. The rest will wait.

wellthatsdoneit · 01/02/2012 21:11

I feel like I'm going to puke.

Dee34 · 01/02/2012 21:11

Well - sorry to hear how you are feeling and also about your ex posting photos on FB. I agree with McNaughty I imagine with his big reveal online, it does feel final and you are left questioning a lot about everything.......it is natural (I think) so please don't beat yourself up about it or think that these feelings are not valid because he has gone/moved on. They are valid, they are real and you can very much feel them (and have to, to work through them).

McNaughty and Patience have summed it up perfectly - really, really make sure that you take good care of yourself. Take it as it comes and don't feel like you have to rush anything (esp. if your ex is bullying you). I know it feels like you are in a bad place with this bombshell, but you will (in your own time and gradually) work your way out of this and into a better place. Focus on re-gaining your physical and emotional strength - you have shown such amazing courage given what you have been through and the recent legal battles (that alone would knock most people for six, regardless of outcome).

Totally agree with Patience about not sparing your feelings and having no shame. Totally ignore and distance yourself from him (again, know this is easier said than done based on my own experience).

PM if you feel up to it. Take care, x

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Patienceobtainsallthings · 01/02/2012 21:24

Its the shock well,i tried rescue remedies but crying was the only thing that really helped the soreness,usually curled up foetal,it will pass babe and we are here to hold your hand xxxxxx

wellthatsdoneit · 01/02/2012 21:24

I feel like I'm right back where I was at the end of May. I don't know if I've told you this Dee - but I started to read your thread as I was sitting outside waiting to see a solicitor in his country for the first time. He had shoved off for the week after telling me it wasn't working and left me alone with the children. All the high schools were graduating and it was a beautiful early summer day and all the students were out in the streets celebrating. I have never felt so surreal and outside of life. I remember starting to read your thread. Everything was so raw and it still is now. I can't see that I am ever going to recover. I feel like I'm in hell.

wellthatsdoneit · 01/02/2012 21:32

Thank you, all. I had about an hour there where I was strangely serene and able to put the kids to bed. Now it's back and hitting like a truck. I can't bear this grief.

Patienceobtainsallthings · 01/02/2012 22:07

Its a tough time ,
I remember pouring out my heart to my counsellor ,
told him all the bad stuff about ex and he just looked up across the room and said ,"And you want to be with this guy why?"
I just kept repeating that ........over and over
This too shall pass Well and you will have a better day soon ,take care x

Downunderdolly · 02/02/2012 00:19

WELL. So sorry you are having such a shitty week. The feeling of being erased from someone's life and the feeling that they have no regard for your feelings anymore when you trusted them with your life, with your children's life is just awful and truly physically painful.

It is impossible to believe that you will work through the pain and in time in will lessen. When I was at my darkest (and I still have those moments) I wanted to yell out at those who were saying, its time, you will work through this, you are strong. I felt like shouting from the roof tops - no, you don't get it, I feel like I am disappearing under the weight of guilt, and I will never ever feel whole again, I will never recover from this. But you know what. As much as its impossible to believe it, you will my darling you will. You won't be the same but you will find a way to get past this and hopefully thrive. It is the old cliche of time but its early days and even when I hit the two year mark later this year it won't be enough. Its going to be up and down and it won't be linear - you will be up and down the snakes and ladders board but keep posting when you slide down. I do and I will. Also don't feel pressure to be 'ok' and 'move on'. You will do it in your own time. There is no timetable.

In the meantime, maybe you could take the pain of your exH's monumentally crass behaviour by posting on his FB to 'use' in your thinking about him - a bit like Patience was saying about her therapist. Do you want to be with someone who very very shortly after a separation which he knows has broken your heart and changed your world forever has such little emotional intelligence or residual respect for you that he posts pictures of his new girlfriend in a public forum that your close family and friends can see? Even if he had such low regard to you, surely he should have enough awareness that it will cause close friends and family to lose [further] respect for him as I can't imagine anyone would think this is acceptable behaviour from a grown man who has recently split from the mother of his children. Try and use it as 'evidence' that he is - now certainly - not the man that is deserving of your love.

HUGE kiss darling and love to everyone. I am racking my brains for things to sell to do Bali....I'm also a bit 'down' thinking of son off camping with OW and her son at Easter. Two years ago at Easter my H and I were in the City for a w/end, I was pregnant (with lost baby) and had a beautiful Easter Egg hunt on the roof terrace of the hotel for son. I thought we had a lovely lovely family and have a gorgeous photos of us entitled 'The Ralston Family' with H's hand on my stomach. Turns out he was bitterly resentful of not going on surf trip and was already planning his exit 3 months later. Arse.

xxx

Patienceobtainsallthings · 02/02/2012 09:11

I knew the relationship was over the firsr time we split nov 09 ,but only in my head ,my heart still loved him.I knew it was over and i was better off without him but i guess i just wanted my best friend back and the pain to go away.I think the mind lets u accept the reality of the situation gradually to protect us x

Dee34 · 02/02/2012 09:45

Morning Well - how are you feeling today? Sent you a PM last night. Hope you were able to get some rest. x

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newhorizon · 02/02/2012 09:50

Thanks Dee. All is good with DD and me. She had a magical xmas after everything she's been through.

Just been reading over the thread. Can he not just get on with it, instead of running to you everytime he can't handle ds. I'd love to hear what his 'new wife' has to say about it. He made his bed, now let him lie in it.

Absolute no no for DS to travel to US. I certainly would not let my dd out of my sight, you don't know him anymore.

Take care