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Father admits sexual abuse in past. new thread

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sickaboutdad · 23/05/2011 18:19

I had the other thread removed due to there being to many identifying details so I am starting this to replace that.
BT are not in my goodbooks right now and could potentialy have no phone or internet until thursday. I am on my phone right now. I got an email from the cp lady this morning with her number and asking me to call her, it wasn't possible for me to do that today itmam be possible tomorrow if not wednesday afternoon. I feel in control. this is good. will useneighbors internet to send do not visit email from dh tonight. thanks to all.

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sickaboutdad · 10/06/2011 17:18

You are probably right and it would be wrong of me to not contact her at all, it would be easier if I could phone her, I could say hello and would know very quickly what way it was going to go and if needed hang up the phone but she doesn't 'do' phone calls (well not to me, she told me that when I was trying to maintain our relationship after we moved away however she spends all night on the phone to her boyfriend in America) and probably wouldn't answer.
I am wimping out on this and making excuses I know, yes she probably wouldn't answer the but I could still try. The thought of making contact in any form is filling me with dread though, I am as scared of contacting her as I am my Father. I know that unless the unimaginable has happened and she has reacted to this in a similar way as me, anything and everything In say to her will be reported back to our Father. The only thing that is keeping me from living in a constant state of panic is that as it stands I don't think my Father knows what I have done.
I know simply sending a message like mummytime suggests doesn't open me up to most of this, I guess it's the next step after that is really bothering me, I would expect her to send a similarly guarded message back (eg. I guess this is about the stuff with Dad, what do you think?), she would want to know my position before revealing hers, as would I so we are at stale mate.
I feel really stuck on this. I am even now wondering if I am unfair on my sister, she has made some massive mistakes, she has failed to put her children first on a regular basis, she has treated our Mum very badly (but Mum isn't blameless in the breakdown of their relationship, they both hold blame, problem is Mum accepts that, my sister doesn't), she has treated me badly, she has been horrid to our Brothers wife and children and I could go on and on however so much of this could be conditioning from our Father, at what point does the responsibility for her actions far from him to her? Where do you draw the line and start and stop making allowances? You could say that my brother and I were also brought up in the same house so why don't we display these behaviours however we may have grown up in the same house, our Mum treated us all the same but our Father did not, my sister was Daddy's girl who would do well and become a teacher just like Daddy (and she has to), my brother the boy who must do well and prolong the family name and then me, the baby, my Father had everything planned out for me, what I would study and what university, even which college, he also had planned out what extra curricular clubs I would join (the pressure was massive and it took me a long time to break out of that mould he put me in and I deliberately went on to not do as well and not go to uni despite him), I was also seen as a funny thing and in his eyes a bit of a danger because I had a good relationship with Mum. Three very different upbringings in the one household.
I have tried for so long to understand my sister, I can understand the reasons behind each of her behaviours (and 95% come from manipulation from our Father and her reactions to it) but I can't still fathom her as a whole person.
I wish I knew what to do. There doesn't seem to be a way without opening the doors to things I will find impossible to cope with.

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garlicbutter · 10/06/2011 17:52

Well, she sounds like a major pain in the backside. So don't contact her at all? See if she comes to you?

I understand you feel it's important to keep a line open with her. But, if this is the wrong time for you, you can always leave it until later.

Would Judy tell you if she manages to make contact with your sister?

Grabaspoon · 12/06/2011 18:02

How's it going? :)

sickaboutdad · 13/06/2011 00:28

Hey, I think in some way I just needed someone to say it is okay not to contact my sister, I worry about her and her children but in some respects she has made the bed she is in and I do have to think about the effects on myself as well.
Spoke to my Mum tonight, she has been struggling with the issue of my sister to, very similar issues to me, similar thoughts about the what if she has reacted in a way non of us saw coming and is struggling alone, as it is right now there is not much Mum can do, my sister refuses all contact with her, it is only me she will communicate with and even then only because I have had to let some things go (some huge things) or nobody would know what was happening with her and her children, it was my choice to do this but it has left the pressure on me a bit, we didn't see all this coming so you can't blame anyone (apart from him) but it has now been left to me to make the decision and for mine and my families sake right now I am not going to contact her. I am sure Judy will have or will in the future contact her, after all, it is her children who are at real risk as she is the only one allowing contact, contact without any conditions to however I doubt Judy will tell me or anybody about contact with my sister as she has to (and so should she) keep confidentiality, the only reasons she has mentioned speaking to my Mum or brother is because we have each given permission for that, even then Judy keeps everything we say to her confidential, it only gets passed onto social services and the police. I really hope that my sister does talk to Judy, Judy seems experienced, she is kind and gentle and she also seems to really understand men like my Father and the games they play. I hope she can help my sister, get her proper relevant counselling and help my sister come to terms with the way our Father has warped her world.

News is that the meeting for next week with my Mum and brother has been postponed. Something to do with the statutory case workers, a meeting between them, the churches team (Judy) and the police about what can and can't be achieve, what out comes there may or may not be and making sure a clear path exists before they do any family interviews.
I am really not sure what all this means. I am only remembering what was said by Judy in her email to Mum which Mum read to me on the phone, as I was not going to be involved in next weeks appointments due to me living elsewhere I naturally was not emailed, she told my Mum in the email she would contact me separately but as there was not the same rush I haven't heard yet, maybe tomorrow.
The immediate impression I got is that the officials involved want to get a fix on where this is all headed. I am not nieve enough to think that the information regarding my Fathers actions on me would go anyway to getting a conviction, they wouldn't stand a chance at the best of times and no way against a man like him but it does seem like the Church is sitting up and paying attention, it could be that what I have to hope for as a best outcome is he is yet again kicked out of the Church. I would be good with that.
Judy has now spoken with my brother on the phone and he has told Mum all sorts about the investigation into our Father however Judy couldn't have given him this information as she has stated both to me and Mum that legal reasons mean she can not tell us anything about the police investigation and the things my brother is saying sound just like things my Father has been saying and would say, very much playing it down. I and Mum are both concerned about my brother, our Father has is claws stuck deep and it is easy to see why. All my brother can think about is his daughter and how our Father is the key to him getting access to her. My Father is such a cleaver shit, he knows my brother would die a thousand times for his children, he engineered this little safety net just encase he ever needed to pull my brother strings. I don't know if my Father either doesn't think about the fact it is real people, real children he is playing with the lives of or if he just doesn't care.

This delay is making me edgy. I already have a worry, I don't know why, in the back of my mind that Judy will decide she doesn't need to meet with me once she has met with Mum and my brother. I really feel I need to meet with her, talk to her, tell her about everything I have let myself explore since I spoke to her the first time, I feel it is an important step on my road but I worry I will be surplus to requirement in some way. I also just wish I didn't have it all hanging over me for this unspecified amount to time, I feel without focus, without real purpose in all of this, I feel like it is all hanging over me and will drop at any time or may never at all and I am finding it extremely stressful. I feel like I am being a bad friend. My friend who lives further away is having some huge personal issues right now and she sent an email to me and my other close friend last week about it all and I just couldn't reply, I couldn't get involved or offer help or support, I knew she was getting help and support from my other friend but the two of them met through me and while they get on like a house on fire and have become close I know it won't be the same to my friend. I know I need to support her but I honestly feel that with all this with my Father, my FIL's illness and my ds having surgery next week that if I take on any more my head will explode. Rationally I know my friend understands, that why she sent the message to both me and my other friend but I love and normally would do anything for my friend (I was even going to carry a baby for her is her last IVF try had failed) so it feels like I am failing her in her time of need. The support she is offering me is not the level it would normally be because she has so many troubles of her own right now and I understand that and ask nothing of her, I know she will feel the same over this but it is very hard to wear that calm rational head right now.

Another long rambling one, sorry. I just wish somebody could give me some of the answers.

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HansieMom · 13/06/2011 00:54

How about letting Judy know that you do want to talk to her and how you feel you may be 'surplus to requirements' and if so she likely will never hear the part of the story you know. Maybe forward your last message to her?

It's concerning that your dad is manipulating your brother--again! Dad sounds evil. He has been able to get away with a lot in his life. If he were an onion and you peeled back layers, what would be uncovered?

sickaboutdad · 13/06/2011 21:45

That is a really interesting question HansieMom , as a child I was in his thrall but not to the extent of my siblings, he hadn't been able to disrupt my relationship with Mum as I was a very sick child who spent a lot of time in hospital and it was my Mum who was by my side, I am also very, very like her but I think I wanted him to treat me like my siblings, to have the bond they seemed to have. This is a difficult area for me to look at but I am thankful you asked the question as it is important I look at this. I think I was drawn to the 'special' time, sitting on his lap for a story because I was so eager to gain his affections and praise. My Father tried very hard to write Mum out of our early years in a great many ways but circumstance made that difficult to fully do with me. I have very conflicting memories of my childhood up to the age of about 9 or 10, the time of the divorce. I have this image that my Father has planted of him doing everything for us while Mum was studying at uni but then I also have the memories of my Mum childminding when when I was very little (something she didn't do before with my siblings) and the hospital stays. I am going to have to think more on that time of my life anyway as that is when the abuse took place but you have given me another aspect to look at there. Going back to what I think is at my Fathers core, it is hard to tell, as a teen I was angry with him for moving away, first to Wales and then to the country he is now, I was angry that he was trying to get back into a monastery, I felt abandoned by him, he has set the idea that he had been our sole carer as small children and then when it suited walked away. I spent a long time angry and then once I was an adult and he had been back as a full Monk at the monastery for a number of years I saw a change in him, a mellowing and I began to look at a different perspective of a man brought up in an extremely strict home (my Mum suspects there was abuse of all natures from my Grandfather in the home although of course will never know, they were sent away to school at 7, my Aunt ran away to Australia as soon as she could trying to put the most distance up she could. My Grandfather was not a nice man, a CofE vicar himself, very traditional, said a full Latin mass right up to his retirement when I was about 11, never spoke to me or saw me again after I failed to write a thank you note for £5 in a card I never received when I was 12), he grew up in a time where any difference in sexuality was a crime, I had the idea that my Father was gay, I believe this came from the massively limited information about the 1969 event and the way I processed that information. I started to think that my Father was in fact a man struggling with himself and his sexuality with an upbringing that simply was not compatible. I started to feel sorry for him and would say to my DH and friends that I could manage to have contact with him because that even though violence marred my childhood and the other issues from my childhood (not the sexual abuse as I have only now opened that door and allowed myself to accept that his behaviour was inappropriate and abusive) I could get passed that as he was now where he wanted to be and seemed very happy there. Over the last 18 months, as my dd has got older my feeling started to shit subtly again and I was becoming more and more anxious and uncomfortable when he was around my dd, I mentally flinched every time he looked at her in this certain way he has, every time he pulled her into a hug, every time she climbed onto his knee. I remember that last time he was here sitting across from him, watching him with my dd and wanting to pull her away, to tell him to get away from her, I was beginning to know something had to give as I couldn't bare him being need her but I didn't fully understand why I was having these feelings and I had no idea how I could do anything without standing up to him and that scared me to death. I am glad this has happened. He may never have had the chance to touch my daughter inappropriately but I now know a little of what he thinks and I feel like he has abused my child even though thankfully she will never know. I can't tell you how guilty I feel that I let him anywhere near my precious children, how I feel I have failed them yet I know in my sensible, rational, intelligent self that they have come to no harm and I did all I could. It however doesn't stop the memory of the look in his eye and the simile on his face as he reached for my baby girl and pulled her to him. It made my skin crawl and bile rise at the time but I couldn't explain why and felt all I could do at that time was watch like a hawk. I still feel like I failed.

So, what do I think is at his core? Black. Rotten. Twisted. A man who sees himself and the centre of the universe, who believes that he has a given right to what ever he wants and believes the rationalisations and web of lies that he crates around himself to get it. Maybe a man badly damaged by his upbringing but my uncle is nothing like him at all. My aunt ran (but could it be genetic, my aunt was adopted, does that make a difference?) so what made him what he is? I know one thing. I don't love him, haven't for a very long time. He is not and never has been my Dad. My Dad was my step Dad. I owe him nothing.

I am thinking of emailing Judy and without going into detail (I wouldn't want to by email, sending details like that out by email would make me feel very vulnerable) explain to her that I need to speak with her and have an idea of what time scales to expect. She mentioned making specialist counselling available when I spoke with her, I am coming to realise that getting that sorted after all this with the investigation is over isn't good enough. I really need help now. Could anyone help me with a template to work with on that? I am still struggling with the conditioning that tells me I shouldn't be doing this and to make another step like this, where I am making the first move is very frightening.

Again, I intended short. Sorry. I think I will use my posts here to help me build my written story that I feel I need to write for me, I managed to copy most of my first thread as well. I think it is important for me to look at the way this has progressed in my mind to make sure I am not making any mistakes.

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HansieMom · 14/06/2011 00:00

I'm glad I could be of help. I think there is a lot for you to unveil that went on in your life. You need a good counselor for that. I do wonder how many things are hidden in his life? Bad things he has done but thinks they are safely in the past and he won't face recrimination for? It bothers me that he got to have a respectable position after abusing the boy. And your mother--what did she face with him? She was much younger than him and the man was ......what? Crazy, sociopath? Violent to a fragile little girl and surely to your mom too.
I am curiousor just nosy (!) about what serious illness you had as a child and might still havebut I realize it is none of my business. I was a nurse and interested in many things medical.

sickaboutdad · 16/06/2011 19:03

Hey, just checking in. Nothing happening with any of this right now and I have not given it head space for two reasons. The first being that my 3yr old ds had surgery yesterday, it went well, they had to do a little more then first planned and they discovered that it should have been done at least a year ago and now we just have to keep our fingers crossed that his testicle will develop now it is down, at least he has one good one! He is walking around like John Wayne but doing really well and not needing much pain medication so it is all good.
Secondly, I am sick, normal bug type sick not linked into my other condition, I have an extremely swollen and sore throat, I have been in agony for 4 days nearly, have barely eaten a thing at it hurts so much, have barely slept for the same reasons. Been having hot and cold sweats but I do seem to be getting a little better now so fingers crossed it is almost over, it is truly horrible.

My health is very complex HansieMom and I am worried that I may become too identifiable if I go into it to much. Loosely, as a child I suffered from a condition unheard of in children, made many a medical text book and paper but after surgery at age 7 I got 7 years of good health before everything kicked up it's storm again. I have been left with significant nerve damage that is progressive and debilitating.

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strawberry17 · 16/06/2011 21:33

Hi, your throat thing sounds like tonsillitus to me, but hopefully it's on it's way out, if not might be worth getting doctor to take a look and get some antibiotics to clear up, I've had it a few times and it's agony. Glad your sons surgery went ok and he's making a good recovery. Good that you haven't given the other business a thought though!

sickaboutdad · 17/06/2011 12:21

Just been to the doctor this morning and yes, have a nasty case of tonsillitis and have started on a strong course of antibiotics.
All is well with ds although he freaked out big time when it was time to go into the doctors room, he saw medical stuff and thought he was going to get poked at again bless him, took a few to get him to understand nobody was going to touch him.
The doctor had received all the information from the hospital about ds so understood why I hadn't been back when I was meant to. He has told me to get myself better from this and then go back to go through the depression stuff and the ramifications of my Fathers revelations on my mental health.
I haven't heard from Judy at all but I think Mum probably mentioned that ds was having surgery this week and that will be why. I should be feeling myself again by the start of next week so will send Judy and email then. Any help on putting an email together that outlines my worries and needs would be gratefully received.

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garlicnutter · 17/06/2011 12:32

I don't know what you've already discussed with Judy, but would suggest you tell her what you wrote on Monday at 21:45. It's clear, honest and sequential.

Not surprising you went down with tonsillitis - your system must have diverted its resources to deal with all the stress! I'm glad you have a sensible GP. Take his advice and get better :)

sickaboutdad · 19/06/2011 14:32

So. Antibiotics are a wonderful thing and I am feeling so very much better, even managed to go to work this morning.
Now I am feeling better and ds is doing really well with his recovery 'this' is all starting to crowd back in.
My Father has never been a 'believer' in Fathers day but for some reason I am finding the fact today is Fathers day hard. I have spent a good amount of time thinking about my (step) Dad and enjoying the many happy memories with him however there is an amount of overlap between my Father and Dad, there is the things you would expect, the things my Dad did for me or with me that my Father would never do (for example: sit down and try and teach me Latin, tell me his experiences of being a pilot when I was interested in flying) but then the are the things that were similar that happened in the same places. I have talked allot about the bedtime stories because this is my clearest memories of inappropriate sexual behaviour, the house I grew up in, we moved when I was 12, holds memories of both my Father and Dad, down to the same chair in front of the open coal fire where I would be read my bedtime story. First there are the memories of this with my Father, I can clearly remember, so vividly I am almost transported back, the smell, the sounds, the sensations. Little while with pick flower vertical stripes nylon nighty, no underwear (why would you at home safe with your family as a young child), hair wet from the bath. Climb onto Fathers lap for story, the strong smell of home brew beer all over him, a heaviness to his breathing, the way he would pull me close, put his hands on me, call me silly names. The conflicts of feelings, I have managed to get his favour but there is an anxious edge to it, I am going through the motions of what is expected of me but I don't want to stay any longer then I have to, I can't understand what all this means, what all these feeling are, I am too young, these memories come from between the ages of 6 and 9 , I don't remember the books he read but I remember every other little detail like I am back there.
Now the same chair, these memories come from the ages of about 8-10, my Dad, I burst into the room fresh from the bath and jump on his lap with my copy of lion the witch and the wardrobe, he tells whoever may be there that they will continue their conversation after my chapters, he opens the book and we are lost in the world of the story. I never want that to end, I always want more, I want to stay on Dads lap while he continues the conventions he was having, I feel secure, loved and wanted. It makes me feel warm and whole.

The above descriptions are a sample of the things that are tormenting me, I have left out for obvious reasons some of the details of the account of stories with my Father.
As my Dad was actually living in the family home as a lodger before my parents divorce (There was nothing other then friendship and support between my Mum and Step Dad for over 3 years after the divorce) I don't want to go into to much possibly identifiable detail but my Dad was a scholar, he ran a department at a university, same one my Mum went to, he never taught her but he did run evening meet ups for like minded people of debate topics in the field. When he was lodging with us he sometimes hosted them at our home, these were the things I likes to huddle down and just listen and be. It is kind of complex and I am not sure if any of that is going to make sense) to get back to the point, I had both under the same roof for a time although my Dad was not my Dad then, he was Mark (not his real name). Even though I had a Father living at home I sort a Father figure out, I find that strange. My Step Dad never tried to be my Father, I only called him Dad after his death when I was 17 when I truly realised what I had once I lost it. My Dad was a man who could be relied upon, who would do what ever needed to be done, who lead me on some remarkable intellectual adventures, who acted like my taxi service when I needed/wanted to go somewhere, who gave me little jobs to do so I could earn a few extra pounds, was interested in my homework and what I was learning about, who never ever belittled my feelings or emotions about anything and above all, he was a man who asked for nothing in return.
I feel like my Father sullies the memory of my Dad.
My Dad was far from perfect. He made mistakes, but when I hear his name or I think of him I feel safe and warm. When I hear my Fathers name of think of him I feel anxious, frightened and trapped. I always thought it was because I have such a stilted and awkward relationship with him but now the doors have been thrown open and it is hard to know what to think, I don't want to make mountains from mole hills, I don't want to look for things that aren't there, I have let the memories come back to me in their own time and pace rather then trying to force them out. A huge part of me wants me to be totally wrong, I don't want any of this but I have also accepted that things did happen, I don't at this time have the details of anything other then a couple of incidents, the dark shadows may give up the answers but they just as well may not. I am scared of being told I am a silly girl who is confused about what she remembers.

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sickaboutdad · 20/06/2011 19:43

Yesterdays post was a bit of an unreadable ramble of my mixed around thoughts yesterday, sorry Blush

There really isn't anything new to tell but writing here and getting to great advice and support has become a bit of a daily release to me, somewhere to get it all out, especially like now when there is nothing much happening (on my end, I suspect quite a bit is happening investigation end and that's why it is quiet for me) so it is just me and my mind going over and over things.

Spoke to Mum briefly on Sunday. She told me that my Ex had called her, he had spoken to my close friend (the further away one) to ask how I was coping and she felt I wasn't doing great from the very short conversations we have had on the matter so he called my Mum right away to check how I was and how I was coping. It gives me such mixed up feelings, I am really touched he cares enough to take the time to make sure I am okay, it makes me miss him, it makes me want to talk to him directly but I know that would be absolutely not on, I think he knows it to and that is why he has gone through friend and Mum. We are both married now, completely moved on from each other, both so much better for that. I don't think it would be fair on DH or his DW, who is three months into a difficult pregnancy I hear, so would be terrible for her to have to deal with if ex and I started directly speaking to each other, this all must be very hard for her already without adding that on. All that said I do wish I could phone him, have a long chat about it all to him, he shares all this history and knowledge with me, I told him things I never told my DH about all this and to be able to talk directly to somebody who has all this shared history is so, so appealing.

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sickaboutdad · 23/06/2011 00:14

Again just checking in. Don't know why really, absolutely nothing to tell in regards to all of this. I have had such a busy week or two what with ds's surgery, me getting ill and this week the annual inspection at my second place of work (I work one place on a Sunday morning and this place on a Wednesday, two completely different jobs) which has been stressful as a failed inspection means no business but it is done now and we passed with full marks and then also today ds had to have a hearing test that went well (he is now hearing perfectly from having very little hearing a couple of months ago, fantastic) so thats this week, next week I have a major house inspection from our letting agent and with everything else the house is a state, so much to do so little time :( .
The upshot is that I have not been in contact with Judy, she has not been in contact with me. I have moments every day where it piles down on me, this no knowing, this waiting, this guillotine that is going to drop but who knows when. In those moments it is crippling but thanks to my current load of life at least right now it is moments, not house, days, weeks. I worry that after Tuesday when my last bit of crazy schedule is done I am just going to have this constantly.

Good thing, I called my Mum to check in tonight, we had a half hour chat. My Father and all of this was not mentioned once. It was in the air, I could feel it breathing down our necks but we didn't discuss it. It felt like old normal, ignorant, naive, repressed times and while it is better this is all coming out, that my Father is being forced to face his past actions, that I am addressing my childhood and it's wider impact it felt so good to feel normal again, just for half an hour.

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strawberry17 · 23/06/2011 07:56

Nothing of any use to add but I'm sure your Mum felt exactly the same, that it was nice just to carry on as if none of this was happening for half an hour. It's good to be busy.

sickaboutdad · 24/06/2011 14:02

I want to send Judy an email.
This waiting with no sense of time frame is becoming far to hard.
I feel I need help.
Until things start to move along a little I am not going to get that help.
I was thinking maybe something like:
Dear Judy,
I was wondering if you could give me any idea of what is happening in regards to my Father. I am finding having no sense of time frame difficult. This has unlocked a great deal of suppressed memory from my childhood and at this time I have no way of working through it and I wondered if you could give me any idea of even a ball park time frame?

What do people think? I feel very vulnerable in sending a message like this and want to get it right, I am so scared of getting it wrong.

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sickaboutdad · 24/06/2011 20:00

God.
Had dd crying her eyes out asking when Grandad was coming, I told her I didn't know, it would be a long time 'he was meant to be right after my birthday', 'I have waited for ages' she sobs. Crap.
I asked her why the tears, she wants to see the giraffes, she only wants to see him for the day trips. His bribery of my children has worked wonders. I told her we could go and see the giraffes next week. Tears over but it has shaken me badly. What the hell do I tell dd about the fact she is never going to see her Grandfather again.

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Eurostar · 24/06/2011 21:24

I think the email sounds fine, I wouldn't hesitate to send it.

Hopefully DD will be happy with seeing the Giraffes with you. The main thing is that she understands that his absence is nothing to do with anything that she has done.

sickaboutdad · 25/06/2011 00:13

Thanks for the reply. Got to feel a bit like I am talking to myself over the last week, I guess there isn't much for people to say and talking to myself is therapeutic. I don't know what to do in the long term about the children asking questions on why they haven't seen their Grandfather, right now I can kind of gloss over it as they are used to 6 monthly visits however today dd proved that she had remembered he was meant to visit last month and she was pushing for answers, had to think on my feet and told her that Grandad has some things going on at the moment that mean he has had to change his plans and he won't be able to visit us for a while, I told her that it could be a long while. The truth is of course that as long as I have control over who my children see they will not see him. I don't know if I will ever meet with my Father again, I just don't know yet, I need counselling to help me work through my feelings, address the conditioning that he is never to be challenged and also the gut wrenching fear I have at the moment of being anywhere near him. I don't want to say never though simply because I don't want to close the door on the possibility of me confronting him with my view of my childhood. Right now that idea is far to terrifying and I would absolutely not feel safe in doing it and not be able to do it but I don't want to say I will never do it.
Anyway, I am rambling again.
Over the email, are you sure? It doesn't sound to demanding and needy? I know Judy can't offer me much if any information past when a meeting or interview is taking place. I am scared of making demands of her, I don't know why though. This is so confusing. I don't know why anything around my Father is so hard, I am only ever passive or obedient when it comes to him and things around him. I know logicically that's the way he has conditioned me from birth but I can't seem to find the courage to break from it, I hate feeling so out of control of my own actions, this is made worse by the realisation that I have never been in control of my own actions when it comes to him. I can't explain the feels that creates inside me, I don't understand any of it. :(
I hate to sound needy and demanding but I really need people to keep talking to me and helping me untangle all of this :(

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Eurostar · 25/06/2011 00:17

I honestly don't think it sounds demanding, it sounds quite undemanding to me. It's only right they give you a time frame or explain why they can't, if they can't.

OohMatron · 25/06/2011 02:08

I have just read this thread from the beginning and wanted to say that I think you are really brave. The email to Judy sounds fine to me and it's only fair that you have some idea of the future and time scales.

This investigation has forced you to recall and confront very difficult memories and it is understandable that now you have begun this process that you will need information and support.

Your daughter will be upset at not seeing her grandad but you know it is for her own protection. My own experience is of my grandad being accused and prosecuted of similar crimes, at the time I was around 12yrs old and knew nothing about it despite it being in the local press etc. When I was older and was told the truth I chose to never have contact with him again. He did maintain contact with my mother despite periods when she tried to cut all contact and failed (He always wormed his way back in).

When I had my DS he wanted to meet him, sent gifts (Which were binned) etc. I refused all contact despite my mother's protests, "He wouldn't do anything to him, he isn't interested in boys"
These men have a way of brainwashing people.

I wonder if you would ever have given your childhood further thought/head space had these revelations come to light?

Sending you strength and reassurance that you're not talking to yourself Smile

mummytime · 25/06/2011 07:58

Your proposed email sounds highly reasonable, and I'm sure Judy will understand. Do please send it.
You are not talking to yourself, there are lots of people here wishing you the best.

SofiaAmes · 25/06/2011 07:59

Don't beat yourself up about your dd. My dd goes all weepy on me periodically (mostly when over tired) and starts crying about how she misses "all her friends" and childminder in England. She is 8 and we moved here when she was 2. She didn't have loads of friends and although childminder was lovely, highly unlikely that she actually remembers her. Kids just do this when they are tired sometimes and it does not make you a bad mom who is withholding her beloved grandfather. She will move on. And when she is old enough to understand, will forgive you (minus of course her teenage years when everything you ever did will have been a mistake). I have been following your thread....you have been/are being amazingly brave.

strawberry17 · 25/06/2011 08:44

Another one letting you know that you really aren't talking to yourself, and I am wishing you all the best, I also think your e mail to Judy sounds perfectly reasonable and I think the way you have addressed other issues as they have come up such as your sister and your ex boyfriend have been handled really well. You really are doing excellently.

sickaboutdad · 25/06/2011 11:21

Thank you so very much for all the kind replys. I am not normally an attention grabber at all (in fact I am a hide, no one look at me type, I was so nervous around my wedding with having to be the centre of attention, our first dance was hell on earth!) but I was feeling very, very wobbly last night and have been all week, it is the not knowing that's really getting to me so I will trust all the lovely opinions here and send the proposed email to Judy.
I don't really know what has triggered it but dd seems a little obsessed with all things Grandad right now. Her homework sheet from school was about things near to and far from her home, for her far from she was insistent on using her Grandad's home (the monastery is housed in a rather unusual building of the type 6 year old girls can be quite fond of). I don't know why all of a sudden we have this Grandad focus, she absolutely has not over heard anything, we have been so very, very, very careful about that. I am just hoping it is because she knew he was meant to come after her birthday and we were going to go and see the giraffes, something she has been keen to do for ages (they are a new wildlife park addition since our last visit), something somewhere reminded her of giraffes which in turn reminded her of the visit that just never came. Then after our talk yesterday he is fresh in her head so his home popped into her head when it came to the homework. I do however worry that it is playing on her mind and I have no idea at all on how to address that. I honestly don't ever want to tell her anything of this and while obviously she is far far to young right now I do worry that I could end up perpetuating the cycle that made all this such a horrible shock to me. If it gets to the press then I won't have an option and the children will have to be told before they are old enough to google themselves as the internet never forgets.

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