Feb 08 "Sore nips & no naps"

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Sorry guys- it is better with the date non?

I forgot to put my target weight on... 10st 4lbs.

Thanks so much to Sarah for posting the Baby Whisperer routines. I'm currently trying to take stock of what DD tends to do naturally, then will see if I want to mould it into more of a structured routine. Today has been a tricky one - she hasn't had a 'proper' feed since this morning. She keeps doing about 2-3 sucks then falling asleep/crying. She hasn't slept properly either. I'm hoping it's just a passing thing and that she won't be up all night like it. She might be getting my cold. I've had a sore throat for 4 days and now full blown cold (I can't believe my luck!), and am feeling pretty rotten, so maybe she's got the throat thing?

On the plus side, 5 weeks on from the birth, I can finally sit down and walk - my stitches are improving a lot. Also, I have had help from a great HV (not my own one) with feeding (still very painful on one side due to poor latch, I think), and have spoken to a local lactation consultant and am going to see her on tuesday. The medication seems to be clearing up the pain in my boob so it's really just one sore nipple left. I'm going to persevere with bf a bit longer, having battled for this long, but am still close to giving up if it keeps being painful.

Everyone's stories about their DHs have made me realise how lucky I am. DH very rarely goes out in the evenings, and is fantastic at night. I must remember that next time I get cross with him!

Hello Beautiful, welcome to the thread.

Samsmam - please don't beat yourself up. Giving up is hard, but you move on. You'll look back and wonder what all the fuss was about. Just enjoy being able to 'share' the feeds!

'Adult playtime' - it's gonna be a LOoooooooNG time till there's any of that in this house!

Egg - isn't it frustrating not to have toddler-free time to yourself & babes! I get most annoyed when DS is at nursery and I have unwelcome visitors/people wake me up from my nap!!! I sympathise!

I will join the weigh-in once I've dared to weigh myself again...

Welcome beautiful! (great name!)

Egg - A hole in your nipple!!! OUCH!
after day of sleep LO slept fine! I think she is going for a growth spurt as she is feeding for a lot longer in the last few days - funny how everyone's BF experiences are so different - her feeds were only 10/15 mins long for the first 6 weeks and now they are about 40 mins - as she can fit more in!

Redbush - my LO is also drowned in milk - she is just about able to deal with it now she is 7 weeks! - her gaps between feeds are also very variable - sometimes 1.5 hours and sometimes 3 hours. Sorry I don;t know anything about tongue tie!

Sally - thanks for the tip - I hope your mastitis clears up very soon!

Gill - I am really hopeless at routines - I hardly even count the hours between breastfeeds - just rely on LO to know when she needs them! I think you have to do what feels right to you - though if you can get bedtime signals sorted it makes your life easier in the long run. (It doesn't have to be 7pm at this stage - whatever time suits you and your LO)

Leesmum - good on you for starting a weigh in - only prpb is I am crap at losing weight when I try to lose weight - so I will just keep going to yoga and try to get in some cycling and trust that BF will do it's job! (I don't possess any scales as they just make me depressed at the lack of weight loss - and I eat more when I am depressed!

Counto10 - I also had DH with a hangover today - what a grumpy PITA!

Feb 08 Step away from the Easter Eggs!!
Leesmum 10st 4lbs target 9st 4lbs
Egg 8st 7lbs target 8st 3lbs
Beautiful-But-Wobbly 12st 9lbs
Sally 11st 8lb (75kg) target 10st 7lbs (68kg)

Am bf so not sure if i should actually diet... think i will just eat normally for a while and see what happens. altho am really off my food with this mastitis anyway.

Phew! We made it through the night! DD slept well and had bigger feeds, so we're back on track. Maybe it was just a growth spurt.

Egg - I missed the bit where you said you had a hole in your nipple - ouch! Did it ever get better or were you left with a hole? I can understand it putting you off bf DTs, although I always find it amazing how someone can exclusively bf 2 babies anyway. I did know someone who did it actually, but she very rarely left the house! Huge admiration to anyone who manages it! It's hard enough with one sometimes.

Sally - I forgot to say last night that I really sympathise with you having mastitis. It can make you feel really unwell can't it? I can't remember whether you've got antibiotics but I think you have, and if so, are they making a difference yet? I felt a different person within about 24hrs and continued to improve for the next couple of days. I find it so tempting not to finish the course when I feel better after illnesses.

Omy - DD gets flooded with milk at some feeds, especially when I'm fullest; she chokes & stops breathing for a few seconds . I've got used to it now so don't find it quite so scary, and she recovers very, very fast. I hope it will improve with time like you said. Last week we tried a nipple shield for just 24hrs on my sore side (trying to find source of nipple pain), which completely stopped the choking, by reducing the flow. I wouldn't use one long-term though. DD hated it and I hate sterilising! Do you know any other ways to stop the choking? I guess I could express before a feed, but I don't want to increase my supply, and I'm avoiding using my pump at the mo due to thrush & not wating to reinfect myself, and when I hand express, I get milk all down my front, on the floor etc. so too much faff! Any other ideas welcome!

Aaaaaahhhhhhhh - 2 days of just me and DD ahead. Don't get me wrong, I love DS to bits, but I am struggling to cope on days when I have both of them together. At 2;10, DS is still very 'needy', and I feel so guilty for not always being able to meet his needs as quicky as usual. I find myself telling him off a lot, then feeling guilty. I guess a lot of you are in the same boat as me. It's so good to be around people in the same situation - it really helps somehow .

Have a good day everyone, and enjoy the sunshine if you've got it!

Sorry my posts always seem so huge!

pobletsmum - i started the ab's on Sat and today i am not feeling shivery anymore but I do feel EXHAUSTED. Re the choking - sounds like you have a forceful let-down - there are lots of suggestions to try on this web page www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/fast-letdown.html

Hello Beautiful, your posts made me smile despite feeling rather grumpy this morning. DP went to work early which made me cross even though I know it isn't his fault!
DD1 down for a nap and DD2 asleep in the sling so i'm eating maltesers for breakfast

Rhian - Dishwashers are the best, you should definately get one! Then you only have to worry about loading/unloading it

Sarah - well done on the sex, I haven't dared do it yet as I'm far too tired and worried about getting pregnant again.

Good luck to everyone with babyjabs - I'm being really wussy and putting them off until DD2 is better. Her cold is slowly clearing up thank goodness.

I had the projectile poo a few weeks ago and I haven't really got over it since. DP thought it was very funny when poo shot out all over my leg (and onto my last pair of clean trousers) I've run out of trousers after a weekend of yellow sick from DD2 so I may stay in pyjamas.

And as for willies, DD1 laughs and points at DP's which always makes me giggle. He doesn't seem to enjoy it though

Redbush, quick reply in between feeding etc..... DS2 tongue tie is quite bad, even though its not interfering with him putting weight on, he does find it such a trial to stay attached for any longer than 5-10 mins... he gets agitated, exhausted and cries with frustration. the degree of tie is very acute which means its right at the tip of his tongue and so prevents him from sticking his tongue out. It could hinder speech when hes older. The only thing that affects having a tongue tie sorted out later in their life, is that they have to have anesthetic and could therefore cause added complications. If you want to chat more about it you can email me

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hi to all the rest, will try and come back later xxxxxxx

lucy good to hear from you, hope your day gets better after being cross with dp- we have first jabs on Friday- and post natal check- am hoping to have implant fitted so prevent further pregs!!! i dont want to go back on pill- really

i have just finished the housework- from top to bottom!!!!! third load of washing on!!! my god i have been busy- my house looks gorge- def will not last once ds gets home from nursery!!!! i think we will go feed the ducjs as its such a lovely day

dinner is cooked- just needs heating up when Dh gets home- and pasta cooking!!-(spag bol)

my god cant you tell i am tyring to not to eat!!!!hahahaha- decided i am going to watch what i eat as of today- i have already got below pre preg weight but was overwieght in the first place and have decided i want to be slimmer for me now!!!would like to drop at least 3 dress sizes - currently a 22(and have been since had D- 3yrs ago)i am most confortable at a size 16- as i am broad anyway- so i am determind-

anyway have a great day all-

oh and if anyone is interested i have added some new pics to profile!!!!

Had a look at your pics egg - the twins are lovely (and your DS1 of course)

Hope you are starting to feel better sally, tyaca and samsmam

Gill- we dont really have any routine here I feed DS when he wants it. I worked shifts when I was working so have never really had a routine of my own and hate the thought of having to have one. For now the only thing we do is bathtime at 9.30 then feed DS in my bed with the lights off its working OK and he sleeps to 3/4am then wakes every 2 hours for a feed. With previously working nightshifts I am used to functioning on little sleep and learnt to powernap years ago

Haven't managed to do the deed with DH yet, I am going to the family planning clinic tonight and am thinking of trying the contraceptive injections - anyone else ever tried them?

DH washed the nappies yesterday and left a yellow cloth in the washing machine so all of my lovely white nappies are now a lemon colour

We have builders starting tomorrow, we are having an extension built on the house which will take about 10 weeks. I'm dreading it so I'm having a very lazy day today and am not even dressed yet . Also our nextdoor neighbours are now being really arsey about it and may be about to contest where the boundary line between the houses is????

I have added my name to the diet group, I have never been this heavy but I am reluctant to diet too much whilst I'm still bf. Did manage a game of badminton yesterday, was great to get some exercise but I am sore today

Feb 08 Step away from the Easter Eggs!!

Leesmum 10st 4lbs target 9st 4lbs
Egg 8st 7lbs target 8st 3lbs
Beautiful-But-Wobbly 12st 9lbs
Sally 11st 8lb (75kg) target 10st 7lbs (68kg)
Alkar 10st 10 target 9st 7

Love the pic with the dog Sarah, and I have the same problem with trying to get a photo of DS smiling - I'm just not quick enough!

thanks Alkar- our dog Merlin is a huge chocolate labrador- he is fantastic with he DC's-

Yep not quick enough with camera !!!!!

Sarah - lots of gorgeous pics! What a beautiful family!

Sally - thanks for the link. It doesn't work but I'll try to find the info from the main kellymom page, so thanks .

redbush & jays - other problems associated with undivided tongue ties relate to oral hygiene ie. not being able to clear food from the corners of your mouth with your tongue, not being able to lick lollies very well (very important!!!) and speech difficulties, although there are lots of children and adults who have a tongue tie and none of these problems. There's no way to predict who will have problems as far as I know. It's far better to have it done before 6 months if you are going to have it done, because I think that's the age they start to need a general anaesthetic. I have no regrets at all about getting DS' tongue tie snipped, despite feeding mostly being OK.

Alkar - good luck with the builders & neighbours.

thanks Polblets!!!!

Sorry Sally, the link does work. The whole kellymom website seemed to not be working earlier, but is now. I found a lot of things to try!

Hi all! Lovely piccies everyone!

First day of school holidays here so no nursery school for ds1 and ds2. Luckily it was a lovely warm day so we had a 2 1/2 hr walk to tesco and the park this morning and got out in the garden this afternoon. DS1 has just been giving me a 'car quiz'. He and ds2 are obsessed with cars although after seeing the cycling world championships on tv at the weekend he's decided he wants to be a fast bike racer rather than a f1 driver. Isn't it lovely when they think anything is possible - oh to be a child again.

DS3 is spacing his feeds out a bit now and is generally feeding every 3 hours (unfortunately during the night too). Still clusters a little around bathtime but its better than the almost constant daytime feeding of the early days. We don't have any real routine here either other than bath and bedtime. He goes to bed at 7 but thats only because thats what he started to do himself naturally. Fits in with the other 2 as they also go to bed at 7.

Samsmam - you did really well bf for 4 weeks. I only fed ds1 for 2 weeks and did regret it afterwards. However, up to now he's just as healthy as ds2 who I bf for 6 months. In fact it's ds2 who suffers from exzema (sp) and has molloscum. And according to his nursery teachers he's very bright - just like his mummy

Beautiful pictures! Sigh. I love babies. I'm already broody for the next one.

My DS2 is dropping his 10pm feed... We don't want him to! He (bottle) feeds every 3 hours during the day (on demand) till 7pm, then goes to bed. Then he should have a 10pm-ish feed to take him through the night... Except he doesn't wake up for it anymore, and never drinks more than a couple of oz. Then wakes up at 3am.

Any ideas? I want him to drop the 3am feed, not the 10pm!

Hi everyone

Beautiful sorry i can't be of much help, even though i ff DS1 i can't remember that far back!!

Sarah i love your family photos, Rosie looks just like a little doll x

Even though i am BF and know its not the best time to go on a diet, i'm trying to think of it as cutting down instead. You know by stopping the 3 biscuits i just have to have with every brew and trying not to eat after 5.30pm

I have also put some new pics on my profile

I'll be back later (thats if i dont fall asleep)

Leesmum- you boys are gorge!!!! James looks like he is doing really well-how many weeks is he now? and what is he weighing now?

How great to have a snowman in the garden at easter!!!! we has a few flakes but thats it in the midlands!!! i bet your DS and DH loved it!!!

Princess- we are also having a prob with getting DD to take more than 2oz at around 10pm and she is waking between 2 and three- very tiring as were not used to it Have been doing dream feed like book tells to be she just wont take anymore!!!lol

Are any of you using facebook? I have got many friends on there9mostly from school) and been on a few times but suddenly i am addicted!!! oh dear!! Not as much as mumsnet though!!lol

an how off to see what i am selling on ebay at the mo!!!

Have a great evening

OK just wanted to say to Beautiful that my DS2 seems to want to do this too (drop 10pm feed). DH really struggles to get him to wake up enough to take his 10pm feed and he often only takes half of his normal feed amount. Still wakes at 3am also. grrr.

Have been looking at lots and lots of your lovely profile pics. Some very very cute babies out there but... I think the winner for me today is leesmum's DS2. He looks like he has a huuuuge personality already! Love the snowman pic with DS1 too.

Off to bed now.......

Managed to cross posts with sarah despite mine being 12 mins later, it's cos it took me so long to catch up on thread.

I AM ON FACEBOOK. I am on the MN list, but you can find me by looking for me by name. I have said my name many times on here as it is on my email address, so now you can go and have a search and find me .

Oh and Sarah, your DH wins best looking DH for me today .