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Feb 08 "Sore nips & no naps"

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omy · 24/03/2008 23:05

Sorry guys- it is better with the date non?

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SallyInYorkshire · 01/04/2008 19:34

sherida just wanted to say my heart goes out to you - i too felt like i had no support on bf from anyone close to me and baby was not latching and my supply had tanked and it all looked v grim.... but i since discovered that even ladies who are adopting and never bf can get themselves to lactate, so for you it is def possible - but i will not lie to you, it involves lots more pumping plus specialist support from la leche league, lactation consultant or anyone you can get hold of! there is a medicine called domperidone that could help.

i managed to rescue my supply but i tell you at times i was pumping for 10mins every hour.

Sherida · 01/04/2008 19:37

Wow Sally that took some serious dedication. I've been trying, but ended up with bruised boobs, not much milk and just upsetting myself. I'll stick to formula and if I have another child, will spike DDs breakfast cereal with breasmilk to make myself feel better . Seriously, good on you for managing it.

CountTo10 · 01/04/2008 20:17

Blimey I can't believe how much has been going on since Sunday!!! How is everyone, enjoying the sunshine I hope!!

Beans - I had to laugh, saw your post on Sherida's thread re thinking bubs looked a bit funny. I spent the first 2-3 weeks thinking something was wrong with ds2 cause I thought he looked weird!!! Now I have to be careful when I'm cuddling him cause I just want to squeeze him cause he's just so yumcious!!!! Also, hope you're ok re fall - scary!!

Sherida - I had to give up bf very early with ds1 and I really beat myself up about it but do you know what? He's no worse off for it - a strapping 3.5 year old as bright as anything!! I really struggled at the time to bond with him properly as I couldn't get passed what I considered my first test as a mother but I've come through that now and realise that actually they just want a mum and not even a perfect one, just theirs!! Don't ever be afraid to come in here and tell us how you feel. I think sometimes just getting it off your chest can make things feel so much better and to know that there are others who are in the same boat is so relieving. Big hugs x

Don't know what was up with ds2 last night bue he woke up at 4am and that was it!! Soooo tired!!!

Anyone watch eastenders tonight??? I'm sorry but it was just so funny!!!

CountTo10 · 01/04/2008 20:20

Meant to say that I've decided I'm going to do weightwatchers. I know a lot of people who have done it and its really worked for them plus i think I need some guidance and support etc so that I don't go off the rails or anything!!

SallyInYorkshire · 01/04/2008 20:27

sorry didnt mean to sound like i was blowing my own trumpet - you're not offended are you?? just meant to sympathise on the whole pumping, no-latching, ebm-feeding thing and got a bit carried away!
tbh he did kind of latch sometimes... just not well enough to get enough milk.
also tbh we are constantly on the brink of being put back onto formula.

SallyInYorkshire · 01/04/2008 20:28

that post was for sherida, sorry

Sherida · 01/04/2008 20:42

Offended? Not at all, I think you SHOULD blow your own trumpet. You did well to re establish your milk, big cheers for you for that! You can TRY to offend me if you want, its not usually that easy!

rozzyraspberry · 01/04/2008 20:53

Sherida - I saw your other post. Sorry you didn't manage to bf when you wanted to. I didn't manage to feed ds1 and like countto10 said about her ds1 mine's fine too - very healthy and bright as a button. As for bonding I have lovely memories of cuddling up to him when bottle feeding and him just staring into my eyes. I think health professionals are sometimes so intent on pushing bf that they don't make people aware of the fact that it is really difficult and just not manageable for some people. You managed to give your dd breast milk for 4 weeks which is fantastic. I'm not sure I would have persisted with expressing for that long - in fact I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have so well done!

mitfordsisters · 01/04/2008 21:02

Hope you're better beansprout - sounds sore! Would love to send you Mary Poppins to sort it all out.

Lovemymum; I used to use an IUD coil which was great - no side effects and just get it installed then you can forget it. I'll probably get another one as soon as I can bear to allow a complete stranger to rummage in my nethers again - uggh.

I went to the breastfeeding cafe at the childrens centre round the corner today. ttwas nice to meet some other mums and going to another group on thursday - I find it the hardest thing to get into a group - but the others were really friendly today.

Anyone else using a sling who had a c-section? Concerned I might be impeding healing by carrying baby around.

beansprout · 01/04/2008 21:06

I'm using the Close baby carrier. Got it when ds2 was about 3 weeks I think. So far, so good.

Head is horrible so am off to bed.

rozzyraspberry · 01/04/2008 21:18

Forgot to say earlier that I saw a thread started the other day by Victorvictoria - she had a dd. She started the very first Feb 2008 thread. Made me nostalgic so went back and looked at the original thread. It was lovely seeing everyones first messages when they'd just had their bfps although sad when some mc. Very very funny seeing a post by egg 'the thought of twins terrifies me' - you're an old pro now though egg aren't you!! (Must point out I didn't read the whole thread - I may be sad but don't have quite that much time on my hands!!)

BEAUTlFUL · 01/04/2008 21:50

WARNING: MASSIVE, SELF-ABSORBED, PROBABLY NOT EVEN HELPFUL POST

Sherida,

You won't recognise my name because I'm new to Mumsnet. I had my DS2 last month so I've gatecrashed this thread and am currently posting weird diets all over the place, ogling Sarah's DH and generally not being much help!

BUT... I had to write to you after reading your heartfelt post about bottle-guilt and bonding issues. I'm so so sorry you're going through this, but I'm glad you posted because it actually laid a few ghosts for me, from my early weeks with DS1.

I went through everything you've written about. I wanted to bf but he couldn't latch so within 10 days I was ff. It does feel like a "distant" way to feed a baby, but (now) I think that's only an issue if you're feeling uneasy and out of your depth anyway.

My DH fell head over heels for our DS1 immediately, and loved him so effortlessly (not in my self-conscious way) that I quickly withdrew from what I felt was "their" relationship. (This sounds so weird now, btw. Please don't think I'm a nutter.) DS1 was an easy baby and didn't seem to need much cuddling, so I really felt there was nothing I could do for him. I was just a drudge -- the one to remember to sterilise the bottles and load the washing machine while DH did the fun stuff like dressing DS1 up in nice outfits and tickling him, etc.

DS1 seemed content to be passed from person to person in a room, and I felt resentful of that. I wanted his eyes to search for me in the room. In a strange way, I wanted him to feel sad if I wasn't there. I wanted to be the ONE person in the World who could make him feel better. (Like my Mum was for me.) (She ff me, btw.)

Of course, it was all just PND and after a couple of months it lifted. I was on ADs but I think I would have got there anyway, though ADs have their place.

As soon as DH went back to work and the sun came out, I looked at DS1 and realised we had days to fill together. I tentatively started doing things with him. At first I did these hesitantly, expecting him to hate them, but of course he didn't. As my confidence grew, I found I was, in fact, often the only person who knew what he wanted/needed.

But only a few months ago, I got the sign I'd been looking for: we were watching an old video of a holiday we went on when DS1 was almost a year. There's a bit where DH is giving him his lunch. Suddenly DS1 looks out of the window and his face LIGHTS up with a beaming grin. "Mmmm, Mmmm," he says. His head strains around to see the front door, till I appear. I hadn?t realised it at the time, but my DS1 had been watching me come in! All the time he'd been besotted by me and I hadn't a clue!

I promise you, you are the Sun and the Moon to your child and always will be. Don?t let the BF-police make you feel like you?ll never have a proper relationship with your baby unless you're whopping your baps out day and night. If you feel guilty still, use your boobs to entertain your child by drawing faces on them and using them as hilarious puppets. (Call them Pinky and Not-So Perky, if they?re owt like mine.)

omy · 01/04/2008 22:20

Beany!! OMG I hope your head is alright! You poor thing!

Sherida - I hope you are feeling better - so many lovely supportive messages from mumsnetters must help! Bldy hv should be shot!

Lovely story beautiful - btw your posts are always entertaining!

Mitford - breastfeeding cafe!? what a brill idea. I wonder if there is one in west london....?

Thanks for the nice comments re my girls! Can't believe I am a mother of 3 now. We are all really enjoying the latest arrival though. - Yes llesmum I think DD3 is quite alot like DD2 in looks - though lets hope she is not as full on drama queen a personality!!

Huge brown belly button YES!! - I really hope it goes away!

Poblet - hope the lactation consultant was fab!

Jo -tbh it was a mare getting the passport done - I booked tickets for spain and then realised I had 2 weeks to get her a passport! I was sure the photo wouldn't be accepted as her little hand had crept into the shot! - so I got DH to take another one, then had to drive to my solicitor friend's work, haul him out of court to sign it - etc - take tube to victoria with LO in sling (quite fun actually) - all the while expecting them to reject the application for use of blue ink or something - i did feel like we had conquered a mountain when it came in the post!

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Sherida · 02/04/2008 00:39

Beautlful, feel free to gategrash the thread! I so understand what you were getting at with your post. Yes I do feel like I'm the one to do all the steralising washing etc while dad has the fun, and LOL at drawing faces on my boobs! I'm going to work thru the guilt on my own with DH help as I've been on anti depressants before and don't really fancy them again! I think I can manage. I am starting to realise SHE doesn't care how I feed her as long as she is full, safe and warm. I've realised it makes me a GOOD mother to care about it, and as others have said, she's not looking for me because she still thinks she's a part of me and you don't smile at yourself, do you? OK well I do sometimes...

/cough/ anyway...the thought that my baby might smile at others and not me with that in mind well, I LOVE it. That she's still a part of me in her mind is amazing. Can't get much closer than that, can you.

beansprout · 02/04/2008 08:26

Sherida - what a lovely thought!
Beautiful - your posts are fab and lol at "not so perky!"

I know it is not everyone's bag but I can really recommend using a sling too. I took ds2 out in the pushchair for the first time the other day and it felt completely different. It's lovely carrying him around while he just nods off as he is so happy just to feel cosy and safe.

Still feel crap today and am at home with both boys. Ds1 has picked up on my mood and is playing up. This has the makings of a long day...

sarahmikeharryandrosie · 02/04/2008 08:32

morning everyone-

Beany i hope you DS picks up and is an angel all day for you!!!

Have woke up full of cold- not feeling freat- i too am at home with both DC today- so far Harry has not moved from in front of the TV- going to have shower and get play do out me thinks!!!

anyone got anything nice planned?

LOVEMYMUM · 02/04/2008 08:38

Just to add to the ff -v- breastfeeding disucussion (have posted on thread): I am giving Katie breast and bottle. My friend is a GP with 3 children under 8. I asked her for her advice, and she said that she had to promote breastfeeding but as a mother, go and get bottles to have a break! DD is happier now as her little tummy is more full. She awakes for feeding and goes back to sleep within an hour or two. I'm used to her being awake and crying/being unsettled, so please tell me that of five weeks are supposed to sleep a lot (no matter how much i'm told, i still worry!). Maybe my new name should be anxious first time mum! LOL

sarahmikeharryandrosie · 02/04/2008 09:12

love- yep- at 5 weeks babies generally, eat, poo and sleep the clock round!!!! your doing agreat job- so dont worry xx

beansprout · 02/04/2008 09:13

Lovemymum - lots of sleep is still very normal. Ds2 sleeps more than than the 15 hours in this link.

Sarah - hope you are feeling ok.

Egg · 02/04/2008 09:32

My DTs sleep all day and all night at the mo, in between crying .

leesmum · 02/04/2008 10:15

How are you doing sherida?

Bloody hell Beany,well you will drink a full box of wine won't you

I'm off to mums today, mum, me my sis and the kids are going out for lunch because it would have been my dad's 64th birthday today it's so hard not to really fall apart but if i didn't have the boys it might be a different story, i have bought 3 blue (city blue) hellium ballons and will let them off in mums back garden with little messages attached to them.

beansprout · 02/04/2008 10:18

Leesmum - hope you have a good day. The balloons sound lovely. Big hug to you.

sarahmikeharryandrosie · 02/04/2008 10:37

Hope the day goes well Leesmum- Balloon sound like a fab idea- really nice thing to do- ejoy your lunxh xxx

BEAUTlFUL · 02/04/2008 13:59

LeesMum, those balloons are a fabulous idea. Love that.

LoveMyMum, my lovely new DS2 sleeps allllll the time too. I was paranoid about it until I kept a daily log of his awake times and naps. I found he was actually awake a lot more than I thought - it's easy to forget that they're awake for feeds (which can last a good 20 minutes plus). Why not try jotting it down tomorrow? It's reassuring.

I think we should try to appreciate these sleepy days while we still have them!Before long they'll be awake and require entertainment round the clock and we'll look back wistfully at the days when we still had time to think.

BEAUTlFUL · 02/04/2008 14:01

Sally in Yorkshire -- Well done on rescuing your supply! This is something I've been toying with and I know I'd have to do it now as DS2 is already almst 2 mo's old.

Did it hurt when you pumped your boos, before the milk came back? I tried last week and OMG, OWW!! How did you get round that?

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