DECEMBER 2012: Please babies sleep, before you turn 1!

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I was also wondering when we would drop to 2 feeds, just as DS refused afternoon milk but was happily throwing grated cheese down his neck so thanks Pidj :)

That is helpful pidj thank you. I shouldn't worry having gone through it all once already! But my bf experience has been different this time & much easier for us both. She's eating a good varied diet. Am feeding her now & I think DH is prepared to try settling her overnight. Thanks again

I did all the night weaning, because dp needs as much rest as possible to heal, but he'll go back for either of us once I've done the initial feed to sleep/vvv drowsy. Helpful as it means i can go out for the evening guilt free!

I'd feel different if he was a picky eater, but a 10mo with a good daytime appetite should be fine to sleep all night with no food. I've done one night feed since September, and that was 3:15 Friday morning - he's cutting molars and got a filthy cold, we'd just been through 2 1/2 hours of him shouting to be put to sleep (different to the distressed cry which means nappy change or calpol, occasionally drink). When not teething, he sleeps 6-6:30. That's from 2 hourly wake ups, and regular hour long crying jags in the early hours.

Ssh, don't tell my sling-cloth-nappy-hippy friends they'll tell me off sternly and look disappointed at me

That's lovely utopian. Enjoy these precious times. Have you tried an ovulation rest kit? If you are ovulating there's less pressure to stop bfing?
lazza although she might not like the change, she'll be fine. Offer alternatives to boob and she'll decide if she wants them. When I went cold turkey with dd2 she didn't really replace the boob feeds with anything (a dummy after a bit) as they weren't about nutrition but comfort.
DH and I are exhausted. Looking forward to an early night, a cuddle and as much sleep as possible!

Evening ladies. Sorry, can I just jump on the back of the feeding chat... DS has three bottles during the day and two small ones at night.... Do you think I could cut one out? The weird thing is he isn't eating much breakfast at the moment, lunch is hit and miss but dinner is usually a success. I'd rather he ate more and drank less but I'm it sure what he really "needs" if you see what I mean.... Although I'm sure the "every baby is different" rule also applies.

Ds has one bottle in the morning and one at night. Cows milk 6oz each time. I'm going to try to swap the morning one for a cup soon.

nutella 3 bottles during the day sounds quite a lot. I would be tempted to drop one and try to replace it with more food.

We've gone right off course with eating over the last 3ish weeks of teething/cold/teething. Cold seems to be getting better and she ate more today but I was at work so no boob from 6 til 6 and DH forgot to give her a cup of formula!

WL Hmmmm.... He doesn't drink that much - we usually make a 180ml bottles and there is often around 40-60ml left.... I guess I could try smaller bottles. He has one after his first morning nap (in the hope he eats breakfast). One after the long afternoon nap (ha, ok, the afternoon nap.... It's gone back to 30 mins ) and then one at bedtime. The bedtime bottle is the biggest (200ml I think) and he often drinks most of it...
The nighttime ones are 125ml I think.... And he usually finishes them....
I would like to night wean... But I know I'll do that when I have to.

I would swap the afternoon bottle for a snack?

I'm not really one to talk at the moment though nutella as T has boob first thing and last thing always, then usually one feed at some point if in working and 2 if I'm not, plus 1-2 during the night. Obviously with boob I've no idea how much milk she takes. She's not always great eater so a bit catch 22 I guess. I'm not bothered yet, waiting til it works itself out or I decide its time to change.

@ willy tail BEASTY. When I was 18 my then boyfriend asked his 6yo step brother what his tail was for, he looked at him like he was thick and said "Duh, weeing!" We'd have been in deep shit if he'd said anything else.

I'm exhausted, been to a 1st birthday party today. I also began night weaning last night after DS slept through for MiL without a feed. He woke at 3:30 so I shush patted for almost an hour and then coslept. I'll tackle cosleeping once he's weaned!

He only had 2 bottles yesterday - at 7pm and 9:30. 2 x 7oz.

Next doors dog has been locked out in the cold. It's going apeshit. So would I, it's fucking freezing out there!

Dd has a feed when wakes up, after afternoon nap & before bed but we're in the process of cutting the afternoon one out as less interested in dinner due to it. Before it was boob with bottle top up, now just boob & next week a food snack instead.
I'd think if not interested in breakfast or lunch may be due to filling himself up at night with milk but you have to night wean when you feel ready to.
Once we get past a yr milk won't have sufficient nutients especially iron- this is why milk requirements should decrease and food increase to prevent anaemia.

I'm hoping tonight will be better than last couple as desperate for sleep. Cold & teeth bad plus a naturally clingy baby not a good combination.

Just written and deleted a massive rant about sleep training. O has been awake and miserable for an hour and a half. How the hell can that be a good thing? Am feeding him and fuck all this.

That's the conclusion I always reach with sleep training Utopian. If it makes you and your baby miserable then it's not working for you

I'm feeding DS back to sleep as yet again his nappy had leaked everywhere. The wee was concentrated all around the front of his nappy and hadn't spread out along the length. I'm going to open a new box and if it's a dodgy batch then woe betide pampers! Hell hath no fury like a tired mummy! ( autocorrect changed that to ninny, it may be right).

utopian d o what is best for you and your family

[willyou] we've had the same problem here 2 nights/mornings this week. Was a bit baffled

I was getting bottles ready before going to bed when R woke up just as motd was starting. Took him in with me and we both drifted off. DP must have come and put him in his cot, cos I woke up in a panic when I sensed he wasnt there. So this is my first wake up. Quick trip to the toilet and then seasoned up the meat for today's dinner, lamb chops - yum

Wow 2blessed that's a great sleep!

utopian when I did sleep training with T the first night did take 1.5 hours of cuddling/rocking/shushing etc to get her to settle without boob. The time reduced vastly with each wake up and in a few days it was just a quick pat. BUT then there was teething and a cold and she was obviously feeling so rotten I wanted to offer any comfort possible. So we're back to 1-2 boob back to sleep per night. For me, I'm not sure it's worth the effort just yet when clearly it will be derailed with every tooth and she's still only just cutting her third! I know you're doing for fertility but stressing everyone won't help that either! Do you still feed him in the day? If you don't/stop and its only a bit at night surely that's not enough to stop you ovulating? Don't beat yourself up, things will work themselves out I'm sure. [hug]

It's interesting to see everyone having same thoughts about feeding....when to stop, how much food, snacks, night weaning etc etc. It's why I keep checking in...to remind myself it's not just me!

Last night was ok. I didn't feed her till she woke at 5.15am. She woke a couple of times in the night but there was no mammoth screaming fit, so really think she's ok without boob. She even settled for me quickly with just a cuddle. I just fed her again before her nap & then I'll try no more till bedtime again.

I do agree though utopian, if we'd had a real battle last night I would have fed her. You have to think of everyone. I dream of a nights sleep like that 2blessed!

Swimming pool party today! Dh is going to swim with dd1. Me & baby lazza will probably just chill in the cafe with coffee & cake!

We have been doing some Sleep Training with The Little Mister. Loosely following the Supernanny advice on her website so we have been doing Controlled Timed Crying.

So, we have a much clearer bedtime routine now. Boob in the lounge, Daddy takes him into the bedroom, gives him a story and puts him to bed. Then we leave him for 2 minutes if he cries, go back in and shush him and lie him down again, leave him for 4 minutes, back in again, then leave for 8 mins etc etc. It works a treat!

On the first night it took 38 minutes of crying, the second night it took 8 and the third night he was asleep in 2, the 4th night it was about 4 minutes.

I woke up in the night to find A lying sideways across the bed, with his head hanging over the edge. Discovered this morning that the crashing which had woken me up was him pulling my mobile onto the floor.

We were also woken up ar midnight by DD screaming. She'd managed to set the alarm on the clock radio in her room for midnight, and it was a beeping tone so terrified her.

This morning she was playing in the hall with A. She meandered into the kitchen, where I was getting her breakfast. Where was he? "He's on the stairs mummy, he thinks it's funny". Thankfully only 5 stairs up.....

A manages with 1 bottle in the day most of the week, a bit more when I'm at home. But he makes up for it overnight. I'll be dealing with it in the fortnight I have off over Christmas.

I'm currently trying to force feed T my left boob - it's so sore! I must have a blockage. At 11 months in I'd have thought all that was behind us.

Ooh, sorry for the blockage wl, and your experience sounds great fod. For us it took 40 minutes on the first night, and 40 minutes each time when he woke twice in the night, and the same or worse for a week since then, culminating in almost 2 hours last night. I got really distressed and then said some unfair and stupid things to dh, so we had a big talk this morning and are back to cuddle to sleep I think for now.

It also turns out he is pretty coldy again, which I'm sure is made it worse but explains last night and makes me feel even worse about it. I just wonder what people did in the previous centuries? Co slept till they grew out of it? Left them with the nanny to CIO and tough on the poor thing?

I think we both feel messed up by the mixed messages about sleep advice. If we weren't trying for another I'd be up for sending him to sleep in his cot as normal and feeding at night. He's giving up milk in the day of his own accord anyway so I know it'll happen on it's own.

Utopian probably one or the other depending on how wealthy or otherwise they were!

Don't stress yourself with night weaning. The stress is as likely to delay things as any feeding.

I'd got pregnant with DD 1st month (much to DH's shock! ) but it took 6 months to conceive A. I was still feeding 3 months later. Just in the evening.

Good luck with the blockage WL.

Spotty I didn't have time to come back to the thread before, funnily enough I did offer him a snack this afternoon. He munched on it for a bit but I caved and gave him milk because he hadn't eaten much lunch.

Utopian DS is also coldy. He has been horrible to get to sleep the last couple of nights and I feel bad that it was perhaps because he was feeling a bit poorly poor little babies. I do wish I could be more patient with him sometimes... But I do miss sleeping long, deep and all night long!

Speaking of seeping... DS was a bit whingey during the night (think it was the cold he decided to develop) so we gave him some ibuprofen. Then at 7:30 I thought he was awake but when I picked him up and took him to bed for a cuddle I realised he still had his eyes shut. He slept until 8:10. Although he wriggled a fair bit, poked me in the neck a lot (which hurt) and moaned a lot as well it was nice to cuddle him.

Thanks beasty that's heartening. Feeling much happier about less angst tonight. Poor O has a filthy cold but dosed up on calpol has had quite a happy day on the whole with both dh and me to play with, while making tiffin and clearing leaves. Apparently throwing his Sophie into the bath with great force is a hilarious new game!

Went to London zoo yesterday for a friend's 30th, which he loved too. He is so generally happy, I hope it stays that way.

Hope everyone else had good weekends and sorry for my ranting.