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Newmum sorry you're having a rubbish time. I have no suggestions. Sorry!

I'm actually going to take Olly to the dr tomorrow. I never go. I'm rubbish at deciding when I need to but he's still so bunged up, the chemist couldn't offer anything & he's off his food now too. I've found a huge ulcer on the roof of his mouth so I think its time to be a good mummy for once & get him seen!

I don't use different wash powder either. Just whatevers on offer. I do try for non bio because dh has dry skin & ds1 has a bit of eczema but bio is of for a short period!

Forgot to say Olly had his under 1yr check today. He's 19lb 8oz, 72cm long and his head is 46cm!

Sorry you're having such a tough time again newmum (and everyone else who's having sleep issues). I wish I had some magic advice, but all I can really say is just go with your gut. I still don't leave Louis to cry for more than a couple of minutes as the few times I've had to he just got more and more wound up. His sleep is very slowly getting better, but his still regularly has me up 4 or 5 times a night, so you probably wouldn't want to listen even if I did have some advice

We use Surecare washing powder anyway as me and DP are both rediculously sensative to all the other ones. My eyes start watering if I even stand next to someone who's used bio powder, and I have to rush though that aisle in the supermarket as it makes me cough . Not at all sensitive to anything esle though

I was hoping to pick your collective brains... I've been trying to think of ideas for puddings for Louis. ATM he only has yoghurt/fromage frais or rice pudding. He's not too keen on eating fruit on it's own and I don't give him sugar yet, and I'd like to be able to freeze portions to reheat when we get home late (most days). Any ideas?

im another mean mummy! i wouldnt rock her to sleep, in fact if i can see mine are falling asleep i actually put them down before they do. and i definately wouldnt go up straight away if she started to cry. i know its awful listening to them cry, but in my experience children who are given what they want (whether it be older children wanting sweets or babies wanting attention ) actually end up more miserable than those that arent. ive seen it time and time again on supernanny. if you thinl about it logically, if your child knows it wont gets sweets no matter how much they whinge and cry cos its thurs and you only ever let them have sweets on sat, then they're not even going to bother trying. and they are secure and accepting of this fact. if your child really wants sweets and has no secure knowledge that you only let them have them on a certain day, they are sad and angry when you say no and also they eventually learn that you give in when they cry and whinge then they will deliberately do this. with grace, she doesnt want to be in her cot for whatever reason, she knows if she cries you will come straight away. so she does. if she knew that you wont come and when she goes into that cot it means sleep, then she wouldnt bother to cry cos she knows there is no point. hope this makes sense!!!!

I understand what you're saying sassy but I don't want to do that at all. Don't get me wrong, during the day if Orlaith's having a tantrum because I stop her doing something or take something away from her I do leave her, and when she's old enough I'll explain it to her. But when it comes to crying at night and being extremely upset I'm not going to leave her there. I don't want her to learn that if she cries I won't come. I want her to know that I'm there for her if she's genuinely upset and I find her crying at night very upsetting. It does seem to have got a lot worse in the last 2-3 weeks so I am wondering if it's related to the object permanence thing. Whatever it is, I'm going to go with my gut and if that means she doesn't sleep through till she's 6 then at least that's my choice and how I have chosen to raise her.

We booked a holiday last night so we're going to Turkey on Monday. The only problem is we're having the bathroom done while we're away so we've got to get everything for that by sunday, as well as pack, sort insurance, I've got an assignment... it's a good job we'll get to relax after all this (fingers crossed)!

I see your point sassy but I am the complete opposite when they are babies. With dd2 she hardly ever cried as I was there for her every min of the day, I know it's not practical but I had a lot of time on my hands then. I fed her to sleep and offered bm whenever she was tired/ill/shy as a comfort.
I don't think you can spoil babies with too much cuddles. With elder children you need the stricter boundaries as they will ride roughshod over you

Sassy I agree with you! I think children need to know where they are. I had this conversation with my Gran in law yesterday. I sometimes appear to be really hard on ds1 but its so he knows where he stands and that he can't have everything he wants when he wants. I have a friend who has taken her ds out of pre school because of separation issuse. She's going to try him again in sept and stop again if he's the same. She's even talking of holding him out of school for an extra year because of it. My opinion is you have to leave them. if she keeps stopping and starting then he'll just think he can paddy his way out of everything.
The problem is when to start this, they're still so young and don't understand. I agree with you too saoirse I hate the idea of my boys crying themselves to sleep but for the sake of my sanity I have had to on occasion. if they're fed, watered, capolled, clean, warm then I can't think of any reason why they shouldn't sleep. It just winds me up & I end up getting cross. I have an issue with patience!!!

A holiday! wow. not [henvy] at all! Have a fab time.

I think a lot of it depends on your priorities with sleep, it does break my heart to hear Luke crying but I cannot be up with him all night or I wouldn't be able to do my job but I also don't want him to have me running to him all the time. You have to make your own calls as to when you are being manipulated by the baby/child and I disagree that you can't spoil them, they know how to get what they want from a very young age. My best friend has her girls in bed with her regularly and they are 5 and 3, I would not do that and it's one thing we disagree on but then ds1 slept so well I never had to decide what to do. With Luke I still wouldn't have him in our bed and I have left him to cry but I do find it very hard and I do give in to him. I have another friend who had problems with her son and did everything but feed him in the night whereas I'd rather feed Luke if it would settle him than put him in bed with me or sit up for hours. I do agree that children need to know where they are, routines work ime but never giving in to what they want is really hard and I think I manage it most of the time but you have to be very strong. Lets hope we all find our own way to fix our sleep problems and it is good to hear other points of view to help us decide what we want to do too!

Luke is trying to walk [hshock] [hhmm], he keeps letting go, taking one step and falling flat on his face. He's really not ready!!!!

Luke has yoghurt, rice pudding or fruit (either pieces or puree) mapletrees so I'm not much help!!!!!! I bought him the chocolate pudding in the tin from heinz and he won't eat it, pretty sure I didn't let him out of my sight at hospital but not sure how a son of mine could turn down chocolate!

Have a lovely holiday saoirse86 [hgrin]

Saoirse I thought dd2 would never sleep through. she is 3 in 2 months and sleeps through about 5 nights out of 7. If she does wake she just gets in with me and goes to sleep. I like the 2 little ones in my bed so it isn't sn issue here as it means we all get the most amount of sleep. Knowing how to get what you want is not necessarily being spoilt it is how you deal with it. My friend spoilt her dd by telling her she couldn't have sweets thsn as soon as she cried buying her a pack. She knew she could turn on the tears and get whatever she wanted by the age of 2.
Have a good time on your holiday

I'm somewhere in the middle with all this, I do tend to be firm during the day depending on my mood and grace's and I killed myself getting her to sleep in her cot on her own and I'm not about to go back to the old way, however last night I tried it all, putting my hand in (which settled her till I moved it out again) sitting there in silence, sitting there and shushing all of which kept her quiet but wouldn't get her to sleep so I left her room and she broke her heart crying. I mean she screamed so I just picked her up and she went to sleep. Obviously just wanted a cuddle. She even woke up as soon as I put her down but could still see me so she just closed her eyes and slept from 12 - 7. Not the 11 hours sleep I'm used to but the best nights sleep I've had in a week.

I understand not giving in all the time and having boundaries but within reason. Having boundaries for a 3 or 4 year old is very different to those you have for a 10 month old who can't really understand you and you can't fully understand them!

Grace is 10 months old today, oh my god!!!!

My baby is going to school all day tomorrow, I'm a very sad mummy :(

i took isobel to the docs today and she has an ear infection. probably explains why i had a rough night with her the night before last. (she slept in my bed cos i knew it was more than just attention- i maybe mean mummy but im not cruel!)
it is definately a personal choice and a matter of patience too. debs is ok with her dc sleeping with them 2 nights a week, but i wouldnt be. and i still think children given attention straight away or pacified for reasons other than illness/pain will cry more than those who arent. i wonder if we did a straw poll, on the stricter mummies and the more liberal mummies (no judgement intended, was just a way to differeniate) to see how many times on average the babies wake up during the night to see if there is a correlation. isobel very rarely wakes up during the night. i would say that jacob sleeps through most nights with possible 1/2 nights a week were he either wakes an hour after he goes down, or he wakes up about 5am. both times he will go back to sleep after i have picked him up once and then i leave him.
newmum isobel and jacob were 11 months yesterday-eek!

I class myself as a firm if sometimes a little soft mummy she's just too bloody cute and sometimes I can't resist giving her what she wants. I have a feeling she'll be spoilt just a tad! But I also agree that I don"t mind the odd night having her in my bed (although she takes up more room than an 8ft wrestler) but I wouldn't want it to be a regular thing as she doesn't sleep very well when we've done it in the past.

Bought grace some little sandles today cause I forgot her sun hat and had to buy one from tesco while we were out and the hat I liked came with little sandles and she had such a paddy when I put them on her it was hilarious! She wanted to play with them but couldn't get them off her feet and she got more and more mad while I sat a took photo's of her little angry face (I'm a mean mummy sometimes too)

It's bloody scary how fast the time is going isn't it sassy! I'm not ready for her to be 1 she's still my tiny baby!

I class myself as a firm if sometimes a little soft mummy she's just too bloody cute and sometimes I can't resist giving her what she wants. I have a feeling she'll be spoilt just a tad! But I also agree that I don"t mind the odd night having her in my bed (although she takes up more room than an 8ft wrestler) but I wouldn't want it to be a regular thing as she doesn't sleep very well when we've done it in the past.

Bought grace some little sandles today cause I forgot her sun hat and had to buy one from tesco while we were out and the hat I liked came with little sandles and she had such a paddy when I put them on her it was hilarious! She wanted to play with them but couldn't get them off her feet and she got more and more mad while I sat a took photo's of her little angry face (I'm a mean mummy sometimes too)

It's bloody scary how fast the time is going isn't it sassy! I'm not ready for her to be 1 she's still my tiny baby!

definately scary- one minute they're kicking their legs in the air and gaa gaing and the next they're mutilating their legs and eyebrows!!!! ha.
i have this thing were i hold isobel (and sometimes jacob-but shes smaller) at arms length cos she just looks so little and still babyish and i say 'behold- the baby' daft i know but it just makes her seem like a little baby. she just gives this little one corner mouth smile, like- ok mummy i'll humour you, but its not that funny'

cinamon crossed posts with you earlier. im presuming you mean james? hope he enjoys it and you dont sob too hard on leaving him.
chloe didnt even look up from her desk when i took her for her first day at school. it took all my willpower to not cry until i had left the building and i didnt dare look back.

awh, woke up at 6am by isobel proper crying. whipped her downstairs fast for some antibiotics and calpol. (gave jacob a teeny bit to not feel left out) i hate it when they are ill and dont understand whats going on. my heart breaks for her and shes so dainty too. but at least she laps up the medince. i have horribly memories of having to straddle chloe and more or less pin her down to get medicine in her and the poor chil practically had a kidney infection every month for about 2 years- it was a bloody nightmare.
well builders are cracking on. i have to go out for the day today because they have moved downstairs and will be making loads of dust. chloe's loft conversion is done- just waiting for the plaster to dry and the electrician to do the 2nd fix. she is estatic. and im jealous. it is definately the best room in the house. i have doors on! cant tell you what a difference that makes- feels homely. and best news of all dp is booked on the 28th july flight, to cyprus, so should be home 1st august. yeah!!!!

Yay for dp coming home sassy34264, and the work progressing in your house. Yes I did mean James, it's move up day today I told dh he had to be off for first day of term but my stomach flipped as I walked in yesterday thinking tomorrow I'm leaving him! At least Luke will be almost 5 when he goes. He will be fine as he is in the school nursery so they mix with reception and he knows the teacher too. But he's staying for lunch and will go in the playground with all the big children at lunchtime :(

cinamon hope DS1 has a fun packed day. It's harder for us than for them usually. Harlyn has been great since I went back to work but it was me who had the seperation issues! Oh well, 6 days left.

As for sleep, i'm not much help I'm afraid as Harlyn loves to sleep ATM. He rarely fusses when he's put in his cot during the day or at night. He just snuggles up to his muslin and iggle piggle and we font usually hear anything until 6:45 ish. In the odd ocaasion he does wake with wind or upset tummy, I just go into him, give him a cuddle, turn his night light projector thingy on and gently rock him until he is calm. I tend to sing to him a lot. He particularly likes 'the time has come to say goodnight' from cbeebies! We have been very lucky regarding his sleep habits. I wonder if it's because he eats so much during the day?mind you, his day time sleep has always been short as he was a cat napper but his half hour naps have now turned into longer stretches so that's good too.

Right, my alarm has just gone off so better get up and start getting ready b4 little man wakes up x

I'm not going to be very helpful on the sleep front either; Aphra does whimper a bit in the night but not full-blown crying. I feed her for fifteen minutes and she goes back to sleep well, unless she's actually ill. This week, on the days she's gone to nursery, she's eaten well during the day, not napped all that much during the day but slept more soundly at night, dropping a feed at around the 11:30 or 12:30 mark. I hope it'll continue on the days she's not at nursery!

I've not been looking at MN for a couple of days, partly because of that outage (quite long wasn't it?) and partly because I've been playing around with Google+! anyone want an invite? It's a sort of instead of Facebook or instead of Twitter thing, but mostly it's a very good place to chat and to share links, as privately or as publicly as you like - it's much better than Facebook for that. Better than Mumsnet for privacy too, though it wants you to use your real name like Facebook rather than pseudonyms like here. I'm sure it'll not be for everyone, but I've been liking it.

I am on the sassy / banana side re sleep etc to be honest. I am quite strict when it comes to sleep, however I am sure this is because I need a certain amount of sleep myself or I literally can't function....! I am lucky in that for the most part Oliver sleeps through, whether this is because of the dummy technique or that I left him when I knew he was ok and just wanted attention, I don't know. But at least it does mean that on the rare occasions he does wake in the night, I know something is genuinely wrong and I can go and comfort him.

It doesn't help that I have no patience in the night when I'm woken so it was better for me to let him work it out than me go and lose my temper!

I really want to go on holiday.....can get an All Inclusive in Majorca in Sept for about £600 as well which is annoying as it seems so cheap yet we still cant afford it....!

DP is also working 7 days straight this week.....thats going to make him delightful......!

i know what you meant seachelle but i was a bit oh no, at the word sides! i hope i havent managed to start our first ever mn argumentnt. gulp.
i genuinely like you all. i can honestly say there isnt one person who i think, i dont like her or what she says, or who i think i wouldnt get on with in rl. so that definately wasnt my intention.
also very oh no, about google+ comix. not another thing i will become engrossed in. these poor children will be neglected at this rate. i was a late comer to fb as i wasnt mad keen on the idea. still not overawed tbh. so i may resist for as long as possible. unless of course you all decide to move, cos you cant leave me here on my tod!

no dont be silly i meant side as in side of the fence not side of the arguement...

Ooooh can we all have a massive scrap?? Only kidding I think the great thing about this thread is that no one is afraid to disagree with others and that even when we do it's just one of those things and no ome is made to feel inferior for having a different oppinion. Having look at the AIBU section not many people on MN will allow others the right to have their say if it means going against the masses. Although I do love a snoop round that section as I find it quite hilarious!

newmum I love the aibu thread too! pmsl at some of the things that are on there!

I had a super organised morning this morning. by 9.30 I had got both boys up, washed, dressed & breakfast dusted the whole house, done a load of washing & hung it out, been to tesco & done the weeks shop and put it away!!! I love days like this. I now feel quite happy sitting on my bum cos all my jobs are done. In fact, I'm going to put olly to bed, sit ds1 infront of the box & have a little snooze!!!

cinnamon hope ds1 enjoyed his day!