Women of MN - What do you like about Trump?

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He couldn’t have been voted in without the support of women. As a non-Trump fan myself, I’m wondering what is it you like about him? This applies to non-US voters who favour him and would vote for him if possible.

the anti-abortion is a sticking point in the election. however, it could also be used as a protection for women, by women. to get pregnant without a marriage is a sub-optimal position. most cases, women were coerced/bullied into the situation and then further down the line, realised how disadvantaged they have been made. hope this would encourage all women, young girls, to stand their own grounds and not to be submissive towards men, not to get pregnant when they don't want to. it's not like abortion doesn't harm women, it does, hugely, and many regret later on. obviously, the situations with rape, or medical conditions need to be clearly specified, to have an effective law.

I would prefer to deter illegal immigrants, reduce robberies and drugs, better economy, over just abortion choice issue. it's always possible to go abroad for abortion if desperate.

His party seeks to reduce food stamps, and food stamp eligibility, which impacts the poor and those reliant on free school meals.

They opposed the ACA, which gave the struggling lower income earners the ability to access healthcare and dental care, and are now rubbing thwir sweaty little hands together in glee at the prospect of dismantling it.

But Trump will prioritise the cost of living? He'll look after those who are struggling?

Pull the other one.

The reason he got elected is cognitive dissonance on a massive scale.

I don’t mean to be harsh, but can you read? I said clearly in my original post that my conscious would not allow me to vote for Trump, and while I feel similarly about Harris, I would be more likely to vote for her in a last minute change of heart as Trump to me is just too far out of the realm of acceptable to me.

It’s not “just” the abortion issue; it’s removing a woman’s right to make choices about her own body.

I’m not American, but I refuse to have my decisions about my own uterus taken away from me by a group of rich men, and I certainly wouldn’t be voting for it.

As an aside - lots of people get pregnant and have children without getting married. Waiting for marriage is an outdated idea, IMO. Children need parents, they don’t need married ones.

When a baby is aborted, it is killed and then delivered vaginally. I believe the baby should be delivered vaginally or by c-section without being killed first.

And if that will mean the woman also dies? So two dead instead of one. Do you still believe this?

Well they're going after contraception too. So much for your theory...

Abroad for abortion if desperate?
Are you serious?

Ridiculousness aside, it's not elective abortion that is the issue, as the more thoughtful and well-informed have tried to explain throughout this thread.

It's the woman who presents at a hospital who is bleeding and five weeks pregnant. There's still a heartbeat. The only way to stop the bleeding is a D&C.

It's the woman who presents at a hospital who is five weeks pregnant and showing signs of infection. There's still a heartbeat.

It's the woman expecting twins who has started to develop sepsis. Ultrasound shows one twin has died.

It's the ten year old whose PE teacher contacts the police and the Department of Famimy Services when she notices the baby bump.

What to do?

If they were left wing they wouldn't have gone out their way to stop Sanders getting the nomination in the past.

They're extreme liberal which is different.

choose to have children without getting married is a sub-optimal choice, especially so for the children. it's not outdated. women are more protected in marriage.

Most abortions take place before week 20. So you’d be delivering an unviable life, and possibly risking the life of the mother too.

Still okay with that?

A wedding ring on a mother’s finger doesn’t make her any better a mother.

Protected from what, or who?

have you checked legal papers? what's your evidence about going after contraception? do they ban selling or making condom?

the medical conditions are covered in legal papers, but I think it will need clarify for doctors to be able to effectively carry out care duty. same as rapist victims - these will have to be specified.

all I'm saying is that yes it sucks, but comparing to other things need to be fixed, these risks can be mitigated largely be improving self-care behaviours, as well as demand on clear legal guidelines.

Ok, well whatever they are, people don't want to vote for them and just like Corbyn, they won't change their policies because they think that they know better.

Most abortions are before viability and doctors avoid c-sections for medical reasons - risk of infection and damage to internal organs.

you can believe what you like, if it makes you feel better.

for all the reasons that US evangelicals voted for him, though this is the UK here

… Who are women protected from by getting married?

Hint - it’s not men.

I like the way he isn't scared to say what he really thinks is even if I don't agree with it . Lots of politicians are so two faced . I think he genuinely does want the best for America and wants to make it great again but he goes the wrong way about things a d sometimes dosent think before speaking about certain topics . He is right about sitting down and talking things through with Putin and other leaders of countries.

I’m actually not surprised. It’s forced birth rather than pro life because those types don’t seem to give a damn once the baby is actually born.

Plus it’s punishing a woman for daring to have sex. Otherwise a foetus’ worth wouldn’t depend on how it was conceived.

I think, in england anyway, the injection to kill the fetus only happens after 22 weeks.

So I think you are saying the injection shouldn't be offered after 22 weeks either but I think that's probably a poor understanding of what these rarer late abortions are normally for.
Edit that was meant as a reply to batt3nb3rg

The vast majority of women are capable of making decisions about their own bodies and don’t need ‘protection’. Some women may regret having an abortion but some women don’t.

So when I was dying of sepsis you think they should have tried to deliver my 7 week old fetus vaginally or by c section without killing it first? What would have been the point of that, slicing me open to deliver a fetus that can't survive without me? Surely that is killing it too.

The options in my case if we take yours as an option were:

1. Slice me open take out the fetus, sew me up, make recovery from life threatening sepsis even harder for me, possible delays in me receiving treatment meaning I'm more at risk of death and fetus dies.

1. Do nothing and me and fetus die leaving my children motherless.

1. D&C, tons of antibiotics and a slow recovery for me but I'm OK in the end. Fetus dies.

In no possible scenario could there have been a living baby at the end of my situation. It just wasn't possible.

Anti-abortions are in most cases the same people who think there should be no free healthcare, no welfare, no free schools - so, basically, they care so, so, sooooo much about baby's life that they dont give a shit about it after its born. Woman wanted an abortion as she is poor and already has too many kids? Who cares. Woman was raped - who cares. Girl is a teenager who cant look after the child - who cares. Woman is ill and the pregnancy is dangerous for both - who cares. Foetus is deformed and will die as soon as its born - who cares.

But once its out, its literally not their problem, and most of them would be only too happy to see it executed further down the line if the said former baby turns to the life of crime as a result of shit poor upbringing, no education and total lack of any meaningful opportunity in life.

Such lovely people, care so passionately about foetuses but dont give a fuck about women and their already living kids.

Spot on.

After 20 weeks a baby would need to be born anyway so it’s forcing the woman to birth a live baby vs forcing a woman to birth a dead baby. What does make me angry though is the lack of adoption and support for those who then have these unwanted babies. A lot of pro life sentiment can be very based on emotions and personal experience and privilege.

I follow one woman online who finally came out and said the reason she was against abortion is because she had one when she was younger and she was made to feel it was ‘nothing’ and ‘just tissue’ and deeply regrets it. She says lots of women have to live with it forever, as does she. In her defence, it annoys me when people go on about how it’s not a baby and it’s not a big. It obviously is a baby and it is a big deal. It’s a medical procedure and incredibly emotionally taxing. You are having to make that choice and it’s not ‘nice’ or easy, even if it’s necessary.