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Women of MN - What do you like about Trump?

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ShinyTime · 06/11/2024 09:37

He couldn’t have been voted in without the support of women. As a non-Trump fan myself, I’m wondering what is it you like about him? This applies to non-US voters who favour him and would vote for him if possible.

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Blinky21 · 06/11/2024 21:42

Thank God I live in the UK where pro life is a vastly minority view, scary stuff on this thread

localnotail · 06/11/2024 21:46

If you are "pro-life" and want the state to control women's reproductive function you should only be too happy to pay higher tax to support children who end up in foster homes and who will need the state to look after them - and to make sure they grow up into adults who are not a burden on society. Unless you want to have tens of thousands of abandons ill kids dumped in orphanages and massive crime problem from gangs of feral street kids.

Edited: that is, after you pass the small issue of scores of young females dying as a result of backstreet abortions. Look to Romania for reference.

XChrome · 06/11/2024 21:47

User135644 · 06/11/2024 20:41

If they were left wing they wouldn't have gone out their way to stop Sanders getting the nomination in the past.

They're extreme liberal which is different.

Completely agree. What they did to Bernie was unconscionable.
Extreme liberals is exactly what they are. They are the "woke" ones obsessed with identity politics. Leftists care more about economic equality, not identity. The Democratic eslablishment does almost nothing about economic equality. After all, their donors are big corporations and they care more about pleasing them than they do about people. For that reason thet deserve to lose, but not to a monster like Trump FFS, and the GOP, which is now just a support system for the whims and wants of a loopy despot.

XChrome · 06/11/2024 21:53

localnotail · 06/11/2024 21:46

If you are "pro-life" and want the state to control women's reproductive function you should only be too happy to pay higher tax to support children who end up in foster homes and who will need the state to look after them - and to make sure they grow up into adults who are not a burden on society. Unless you want to have tens of thousands of abandons ill kids dumped in orphanages and massive crime problem from gangs of feral street kids.

Edited: that is, after you pass the small issue of scores of young females dying as a result of backstreet abortions. Look to Romania for reference.

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Women are already dying. Maternal mortality is up 62% in those redneck forced birth states. Infant mortality is up 13%. But we know they don't care about actual born babies, so that means nothing to them. Women dying means nothing to them either, so no, they won't care about back alley abortion deaths.
They should hang their heads in shame for what utter frauds they are. It's really about punishing women for their sexual behaviour. It has nothing to do with caring about "unborn babies."

XChrome · 06/11/2024 21:56

batt3nb3rg · 06/11/2024 20:35

I don’t mean to be harsh, but can you read? I said clearly in my original post that my conscious would not allow me to vote for Trump, and while I feel similarly about Harris, I would be more likely to vote for her in a last minute change of heart as Trump to me is just too far out of the realm of acceptable to me.

I wasn't talking about you specifically. It was a general comment about how hypocritical Trumpers are.

localnotail · 06/11/2024 21:56

XChrome · 06/11/2024 21:53

Women are already dying. Maternal mortality is up 62% in those redneck forced birth states. Infant mortality is up 13%. But we know they don't care about actual born babies, so that means nothing to them. Women dying means nothing to them either, so no, they won't care about back alley abortion deaths.
They should hang their heads in shame for what utter frauds they are. It's really about punishing women for their sexual behaviour. It has nothing to do with caring about "unborn babies."

Of course they dont give a shit about the actual babies. Or their unfortunate mothers. Its a horrid, capitalist/ evangelical take n religion - each for their own, no one is entitled to any help, God loves the wealthy, if you are poor and unwell its your fault and the sign that you have sinned.

chumpt · 06/11/2024 21:57

XChrome · 06/11/2024 21:47

Completely agree. What they did to Bernie was unconscionable.
Extreme liberals is exactly what they are. They are the "woke" ones obsessed with identity politics. Leftists care more about economic equality, not identity. The Democratic eslablishment does almost nothing about economic equality. After all, their donors are big corporations and they care more about pleasing them than they do about people. For that reason thet deserve to lose, but not to a monster like Trump FFS, and the GOP, which is now just a support system for the whims and wants of a loopy despot.

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I think the voters just want them to loose, not necessarily they support trump himself.

chumpt · 06/11/2024 21:58

LoveSandbanks · 06/11/2024 17:12

I neither smacked my children nor used the naughty step. Now all well adjusted young adults far away from criminality.

Deeply antisocial criminality will only be solved by addressing the reasons behind that behaviour. The death penalty isn’t a deterrant, it it was you wouldn’t actually need to use it. It’s just vengeful and abhorrent.

well count yourself lucky

XChrome · 06/11/2024 22:00

localnotail · 06/11/2024 21:38

Anti-abortions are in most cases the same people who think there should be no free healthcare, no welfare, no free schools - so, basically, they care so, so, sooooo much about baby's life that they dont give a shit about it after its born. Woman wanted an abortion as she is poor and already has too many kids? Who cares. Woman was raped - who cares. Girl is a teenager who cant look after the child - who cares. Woman is ill and the pregnancy is dangerous for both - who cares. Foetus is deformed and will die as soon as its born - who cares.

But once its out, its literally not their problem, and most of them would be only too happy to see it executed further down the line if the said former baby turns to the life of crime as a result of shit poor upbringing, no education and total lack of any meaningful opportunity in life.

Such lovely people, care so passionately about foetuses but dont give a fuck about women and their already living kids.

Epic thrashing of the forced birthers. Love it.

chumpt · 06/11/2024 22:02

flashspeed · 06/11/2024 18:42

I like his stance on immigration and his straight forwardness. The left has gone a bit loony in the past decade and right leaning candidates are appealing to me so they bring some normality back to the world. I'm very pro abortion and have had one myself and disagree with it being banned before 16 weeks but basing a vote around one issue like abortion is stupid to me.

To me, the chances of me needing an abortion to save my life is much lower than me being under threat from an illegal from a violent country, getting shanked by a junkie in a state where drugs are decriminalised or getting shot by a burglar or a mugger if I wasn't allowed to defend myself or having my business or car damaged by rioters which are all things that tend to come along with blue states.

Any evil or harm that would come to women due to an abortion ban if women voted in a party who say wanted a blanket ban on it would still probably be less overall than the harm that would come to us by the issues above so I'd be comfortable still supporting the anti abortion party despite not agreeing with the stance.

I think lots of women like myself want some normality and security vs the current feel good "let's save the world!" stance which makes everything uncertain and dangerous, and I think there's too much social pressure for more women to be loud and out about this stance hence the unexpected amount of women who voted for trump. You see it all of the time if someone says they support the "wrong" party, it's almost a taboo to say it outloud and I find it undemocratic.

Yeah I think you have summarised perfectly. unfortunate situation. Glad I’m not us voter. Don’t know what the uk will face next though.

XChrome · 06/11/2024 22:03

chumpt · 06/11/2024 21:57

I think the voters just want them to loose, not necessarily they support trump himself.

Yeah, probably so in many cases, but that's crazy thinking. You don't vote in an evil man and his slavish henchmen to punish the Dems. They'll still have their donors and will regroup. So that will only be punishing people.

chumpt · 06/11/2024 22:09

XChrome · 06/11/2024 22:03

Yeah, probably so in many cases, but that's crazy thinking. You don't vote in an evil man and his slavish henchmen to punish the Dems. They'll still have their donors and will regroup. So that will only be punishing people.

trump is just one person, it’s easier to deal with as he will have to operate within the boundaries and limitations of the power. If they vote for Harris, it’s a whole system they can’t fight. I think it’s crazy to continue to vote for democratic politicians, to pour tax payers hard earn money into things that don’t improve people’s lives. the situation must have been quite dire for the voters to react this way. I am glad I don’t live in the states.

XChrome · 06/11/2024 22:16

chumpt · 06/11/2024 22:09

trump is just one person, it’s easier to deal with as he will have to operate within the boundaries and limitations of the power. If they vote for Harris, it’s a whole system they can’t fight. I think it’s crazy to continue to vote for democratic politicians, to pour tax payers hard earn money into things that don’t improve people’s lives. the situation must have been quite dire for the voters to react this way. I am glad I don’t live in the states.

Oh come on. Trump did not stay within the boundaries of his powers of office or of the law last time. He committed multiple crimes while in office and has so far gotten away with it. So he will be even worse now and if he's charged, he'll just pardon himself. He has said that is what he will do.
He is one person, but he has the Republican party backing every single crazy thing he does.

Pour money into what? What are you referring to?

chumpt · 06/11/2024 22:18

XChrome · 06/11/2024 22:16

Oh come on. Trump did not stay within the boundaries of his powers of office or of the law last time. He committed multiple crimes while in office and has so far gotten away with it. So he will be even worse now and if he's charged, he'll just pardon himself. He has said that is what he will do.
He is one person, but he has the Republican party backing every single crazy thing he does.

Pour money into what? What are you referring to?

I don’t think I can judge us situation than their voters. Given the level of defeat, there must be valid reasons, rather than a mere better campaign .

AccountCreateUsername · 06/11/2024 22:22

batt3nb3rg · 06/11/2024 14:30

It is clearly not hypocritical. It’s like saying, can no one see the hypocrisy between refusing to smack a baby for crying for their nappy to be changed, but still putting a 5 year old on the naughty step. The death penalty is a consequence for anti-social behaviour that harms others. Abortion is the ending of a blameless, pre-born life at the behest of someone else. If you commit a crime punishable by death, you are yourself consenting to being executed.

I don’t know how I feel about the death penalty for shoplifting, but I think for things like murder, rape, child abuse, carjacking, burglary, it is something I am in support of. Deeply anti-social criminality will only be stamped out of the consequences are harsh and the perpetrators are never released to reoffend.

Fuck me… you don’t know how you feel about the death penalty for shoplifting? Sick.

AccountCreateUsername · 06/11/2024 22:25

And the death penalty isn’t for antisocial behaviour. Much as I’m sure you’d love it to be. How ghoulish.

XChrome · 06/11/2024 22:34

chumpt · 06/11/2024 22:18

I don’t think I can judge us situation than their voters. Given the level of defeat, there must be valid reasons, rather than a mere better campaign .

It's a huge fallacy to presume there are always valid reasons for human behavior. Humans are irrational and often do things that are not even in their own interest, let alone the interest of society.

chumpt · 06/11/2024 22:36

AccountCreateUsername · 06/11/2024 22:22

Fuck me… you don’t know how you feel about the death penalty for shoplifting? Sick.

shooting shoplifter is not suitable - is it part of policy? I hope it's just a attention hook.

chumpt · 06/11/2024 22:39

XChrome · 06/11/2024 22:34

It's a huge fallacy to presume there are always valid reasons for human behavior. Humans are irrational and often do things that are not even in their own interest, let alone the interest of society.

having talked with some friends living in the US, their reasons are understandable. I'd just keep an open mind and wait and see what will happen. hope for the best, nothing we can do anyway.

XChrome · 06/11/2024 22:43

chumpt · 06/11/2024 22:39

having talked with some friends living in the US, their reasons are understandable. I'd just keep an open mind and wait and see what will happen. hope for the best, nothing we can do anyway.

Agree that there's nothing we can do. Just thankful I don't live there, but I do live next door in Canada, and Trumpers have managed to export their craziness up here to some extent. They even funded and participated in a terrorist action on our capital. Hard to believe, isn't it? But it's the shocking truth.

chumpt · 06/11/2024 22:47

XChrome · 06/11/2024 22:43

Agree that there's nothing we can do. Just thankful I don't live there, but I do live next door in Canada, and Trumpers have managed to export their craziness up here to some extent. They even funded and participated in a terrorist action on our capital. Hard to believe, isn't it? But it's the shocking truth.

😭I just hope my kids won't be in a war era. I don't care left right centre and who's who, just no war...

SleeplessInWherever · 06/11/2024 22:48

chumpt · 06/11/2024 22:47

😭I just hope my kids won't be in a war era. I don't care left right centre and who's who, just no war...

Aren’t your kids already in a war era?

chumpt · 06/11/2024 22:50

SleeplessInWherever · 06/11/2024 22:48

Aren’t your kids already in a war era?

not yet. getting too close.

SouthLondonMum22 · 06/11/2024 22:53

Newsenmum · 06/11/2024 21:40

After 20 weeks a baby would need to be born anyway so it’s forcing the woman to birth a live baby vs forcing a woman to birth a dead baby. What does make me angry though is the lack of adoption and support for those who then have these unwanted babies. A lot of pro life sentiment can be very based on emotions and personal experience and privilege.

I follow one woman online who finally came out and said the reason she was against abortion is because she had one when she was younger and she was made to feel it was ‘nothing’ and ‘just tissue’ and deeply regrets it. She says lots of women have to live with it forever, as does she. In her defence, it annoys me when people go on about how it’s not a baby and it’s not a big. It obviously is a baby and it is a big deal. It’s a medical procedure and incredibly emotionally taxing. You are having to make that choice and it’s not ‘nice’ or easy, even if it’s necessary.

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The vast majority of abortions happen within the first 12 weeks.

It’s absolutely emotive and largely ignores science too.

Parenting is forever and can also come with regrets. We shouldn’t legally prevent someone, especially a woman from doing something just because she may come to regret it.

mathanxiety · 06/11/2024 23:01

chumpt · 06/11/2024 20:51

have you checked legal papers? what's your evidence about going after contraception? do they ban selling or making condom?

the medical conditions are covered in legal papers, but I think it will need clarify for doctors to be able to effectively carry out care duty. same as rapist victims - these will have to be specified.

all I'm saying is that yes it sucks, but comparing to other things need to be fixed, these risks can be mitigated largely be improving self-care behaviours, as well as demand on clear legal guidelines.

Laughable.

On June 5 this year, US Senate Republicans blocked a bill that would have protected nationwide access to contraception, defined as any drug, device, or biological product designed to prevent pregnancy. The fundamentalist constituency that makes up part of the core of GOP support is determined to see an end to contraception.

The mitigation by self care argument is utter bullshit.

And FYI, hormonal contraception is prescribed to control a lot of conditions affecting women, including but not limited to cystic acne, and women of childbearing age can't be prescribed Accutane without also going on the Pill.

There are clear legal guidelines. If a foetal heartbeat is detected, any medical treatment that stops that heart beating is deemed to be abortion.