Women of MN - What do you like about Trump?

[ShinyTime]

He couldn’t have been voted in without the support of women. As a non-Trump fan myself, I’m wondering what is it you like about him? This applies to non-US voters who favour him and would vote for him if possible.

"Why don't you come up with actual answers as to why women should accept transwomen in their sports and spaces"

Some of us can, we don't see it as an issue.

All the arguments you're using against inclusion of transwomen have been used against lesbians, immigrants, people of colour etc.

You don't get to decide this for other women

For such a small number of transgender people it's quite surprising how many policies, changing of language, sporting rules this is affecting, crazy isn't it?

Tell that to Riley Gaines and all the other women who were negatively affected by Lia Thomas, the women incarcerated with men, I'm sure they'd be reassured that 'it's ok, there's hardly any transgender people on the world!', how many is acceptable to you?

If anyone is obsessed with transgender people it's you, you mention it on very single thread I've seen you on.

To ask you for the third (or fourth?) time, why shouldn't women be allowed sports, spaces (including changing rooms, rape crisis centres, prisons, being allowed to choose someone of the same sex providing intimate care) free of biological men regardless of how they identify?

Well answer it then, instead of continually side stepping the question.

You can't answer it!

Lesbians (as they are female) have nothing to do with it. Immigrants and people of colour would - if they were men trying to identify into a woman's space.

Naomi Cunningham published this piece a few days ago; it sums up the issue brilliantly.

www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2024/11/06/sex-peanuts-and-statutory-interpretation/

"It's a tiny minority...." debunked

So no trans woman (male) has ever posed a threat to any woman, anywhere in the world? Not in sports? Look up the Edinburgh Rape Crisis centre. I could do a 'look up...' but I don't have enough time.

If this position wasn't so tragic and wrong I'd laugh. You are making a fool of yourself.

You can be an immigrant PoC-as I am- be fiercely GC- as I am- and still believe that even if Trump knows what a woman he is, he and the rest of his party treats
them like shit.

I have a niece in a super red state. The Republcans know she is a woman. They will still let her die if she wants to get an abortion.

Males are bigger, stronger, faster than females. They are also hugely more violent and more criminal than females. That's why males, whatever they wear, however great their hair and make up, however they 'identify' cannot be in female spaces.
The science on the differences between the 2 sexes - and there are only 2 - is absolutely clear. The fact that it has tended to be the Right which states this doesn't make it any less true or important.
In exactly the same way, it is the Left, rather than the Right, that tends to accept anthropogenic climate change. There is overwhelming evidence of the existence and danger to us of climate change.
Left and Right in America are both tribal, at fault for overusing soundbites, I'd say frankly pretty corrupt, but Trump understanding that males can't be females and mustn't be allowed to take away single-sex rights from females is a point (possibly the only one) in his favour.

You can't in all conscience call yourself "pro life" if you will sacrifice the life of the mother to protect the unborn child.

You can't call yourself "pro baby" if you wash your hands of supporting disabled/poor/abandoned babies once they are born

You are "pro forced birth" if you support the delivery of a child regardless of the circumstances and the risk to the mother.

Trump certainly knows what he thinks a woman is FOR!

This. It doesn't reassure me that Trump "knows what a woman is".

If they didn't want Trump no idea why they went with Harris and if that sticks a labels on it 'omg how can you not think Harris is wonderful amazing just because she was born' I am not bothered

Agree, this is such an inhumane stance.

Poster is suggesting that it's better to induce a birth of a baby with abnormalities inconsistent with life outside the mother, put that baby through the rigors of childbirth then what? Allow them to die slowly after being born? Or try to resus even with life ending problems? And this is better than quietly stopping a heartbeat while they're safe and cosy and warm?

Mind boggled. Unbelievably cruel.

There isn't really a 'left' in the US.

The Democrats are a centrist party.

The Trumplicans are far right.

@Madcats

An article about why we can't be inclusive of transgender people that can't use the word 'transgender' or 'transwoman'.

Typical GC bollox.

Why can't you answer anything put to you?

You should enter competitions with the amount of side stepping you're doing.

Izimbra
Absolutely agree that there is no 'Left'. I was just being lazy about using quote marks.

You can be an immigrant PoC-as I am- be fiercely GC- as I am- and still believe that even if Trump knows what a woman he is, he and the rest of his party treats them like shit.

And that's why I wouldn't vote for him. His anti women stance is more worrying to me than any promises he may have made about single sex spaces.

Moot, as I'm not American.

@AccidentallyWesAnderson

No point - because you won't engage with the reality that transgender people are and will always be a tiny marginalised group of people and that acknowledging this is central to having a useful conversation about this issue.

It's why transphobes won't use the term 'trans woman' or 'transgender'. You need to say 'man in a dress' or 'trans identifying man' - because this shifts the locus of the argument away from considering the ramifications of being inclusive to a tiny marginalised group of people, to a different one, which is the oppression of women (both transgender and cisgender) by cis gender men, who are 49.9% of the population.

No, I've completely engaged. I've used the term trans women, I acknowledge they exist and have the right to live in a way that feels most authentic to them in terms of dress and presentation, they have the same rights as you and I. Trans identifying man is the correct terminology. You can’t change sex.

You won't answer any simple questions on why I have to adhere to an ideology I don't believe in, why men should be allowed to compete in women's sports and be allowed in their single sex spaces? Why is their feelings more important because they have e a 'gender identify that doesn't align with their sex'. I don't believe in gender ideology that's why I've '.

Shouting down people as 'transphobes' does you no good at all when you've been told repeatedly it's women's rights to sex based spaces and not medicalising children. That doesn’t make people transphobes.

You're still peddling this on other threads.

Why don't you engage?

@izimbra

"There isn't really a 'left' in the US.

The Democrats are a centrist party.

The Trumplicans are far right"

By UK or European standards you are correct.

But by US standards the Democrats are see as "far left " and the Republicans seen as simply "right wing ".

In my the same way as if a socialist party such as the Labour Party or Democrats were ever allowed to exist in say communist Cuba then they would be viewed as far right.

It depends on the country.

It doesn't depend on the country. There are clear ideological definitions.

I know it's wiki but this might help:

Generally, the left wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism" while the right wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism".

Political scientists and other analysts usually regard the left as including anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, social democrats, left-libertarians, progressives, and social liberals. Movements for racial equality,as well as trade unionism, have also been associated with the left.

Political scientists and other analysts usually regard the right as including conservatives (among whom there are many strains, including traditionalist conservatism, libertarian conservatism, neoconservatism, and ultraconservatism right-libertarians, anarcho-capitalists, monarchists, fascists, and reactionaries.

Well, if you're going to outright lie and claim I said things I never actually said, it shows you either aren't an honest, ethical person or are deluded. Not meaning to be rude, it's just that in that case I don't see the point in conversing with you further.

Exactly so. It's why I call them forced birthers. It's literally what they are.

They're absolute weirdos. They usually believe in the death penalty, women and children dying through forced birth and love guns even though they kill tens of thousands of people including children.