Women of MN - What do you like about Trump?

[ShinyTime]

He couldn’t have been voted in without the support of women. As a non-Trump fan myself, I’m wondering what is it you like about him? This applies to non-US voters who favour him and would vote for him if possible.

Are you in the US?

I ask because of your comment on decriminalised drugs.
What drugs in your opinion have been decriminalised, and - part 2 - what has been the effect of decriminalisation?

How many victims of muggers or burglars have managed to "defend themselves" while being robbed, and do you realise that there are laws in every state allowing them to legally own and use a gun for this purpose?
Do you believe there are places in the US where this is not possible?

How uncertain and dangerous is the world, really?
Is your feeling that the world is uncertain and dangerous based in reality?
If you had to choose between 'law' and 'order', which would you choose?
If your answer is 'order' have you ever studied history in any depth?

Would you like to be in the early stages of pregnancy right now in Florida, maybe four or five weeks along after maybe two previous miscarriages that happened between six and twelve weeks? I think the word uncertain and probably the word dangerous would apply to your situation if you were that woman.

Or how about a person currently in receipt of Medicaid and undergoing cancer treatment. Your redetermination comes up in, let's say April of 2025. You've had an operation. You've had your port put in. Your chemo is scheduled from December to June, and you'll be doing radiation afterwards. Then you'll have a prescription medication to take for three years, and numerous regular checkups, ultrasounds, MRIs until 2027.
Would you feel the world had suddenly become uncertain or even dangerous?
Bear in mind Medicaid is means tested.

I'd also like to bring to your attention numerous school shootings, which have happened in states of every hue, and the "thoughts and prayers" offered by GOP legislators in response.

Plus the execrable events of Charlottesville a few years ago - the torchlight procession so evocative of the Nazi era - and who can forget the storming of the Capitol, the murder of security agents, the destruction of government property and the property of lawmakers, the threats against the life of the Speaker and the Vice President...

Your memory is as problematic as your fears.

I’m pro-choice and pro-death penalty. Very rare stance in the UK but not so much in America.

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My Trump supporting friend always says this, and the old chestnut "But the power lies in the hands of each state." This may be true but is this ambivalence not such a cop out from the POTUS? It is a decision affecting half the population after all.

I find your stance consistent and that is commendable.

It is a gift to pro-choice right-wingers like myself. We can focus on other important issues at the national level while anti-abortion advocates can (generally) keep failing at state referendums since they aren’t terribly popular.

@LoveSandbanks because it’s babies. Think about it - if you genuinely think an unborn child is a child, then he or she comes before everything. And yes they will come before the woman carrying them - even if they circumstance is distressing for the woman. Many women would die for their child. The baby always comes first. And I can sympathise with this view, even if I do not agree with it in reality.

I personally find late term abortion extremely difficult and although I wouldn’t call myself pro life, I’m increasingly finding it hard to call myself 100% pro choice when I realise this would include late term abortions. There are points where I think yep, the baby actually has to come first. Unless the woman is actually going to die, at 30 weeks the baby shouldn’t have to. I am conflicted about this of course and I know it is said with privilege.

I know what you mean @Flor5 but I’m also starting to think that actually things should be more state run as one person running a ‘country’ the size and variation of Europe is a little bit nuts.

I can’t sympathise. Especially since it isn’t just grown women who get pregnant.

Late term abortions are also incredibly rare and usually only happen because the mothers life is at risk or the foetus is either incompatible with life or has a life limiting disability.

The vast majority of abortions happen in the first trimester.

Someone else I saw said ‘why would I vote for the party that criminals, ‘illegal’ immigrants and drug addicts vote for’. Oh and a lot fear of how gender is being taught in schools. Again, it’s just so extreme over there. I am pro gay rights but this woman was showing gay books for BABIES. It was so extreme. So I can totally see why a lot of right wingers see it as grooming. And then homophobia increases. People are scared and poor and crime is high. And they’re angry at the establishment.

That is functionally anti-abortion, as Harris would have enshrined the right to abortion nationally.

He is a businessman. He understands business and has the skills to run a country like a business.
He will look after the Balance Sheet and the Profit and Loss will hopefully return a profit.
I have worked in many large multinational corporations and I have been through many redundancies (I have never been made redundant) and the first thing that goes in times of crisis is the fluffy, lefty and ‘makey upey’ titles who do nothing and are largely mouthpieces.
Sure, when times are good dead wood can fly under the radar, stealing a pay check.
When the shit hit the fans they go.
I see the Democrats as the waste of space, airy fairy fluff balls in the political realm.

That is functionally anti-abortion, as Harris would have enshrined the right to abortion nationally

This was not gonna happen. Had to be an act of Congress and no way could they get that done. It’s just not realistic.

What’s interesting though is almost all of the women I saw posting about this were actually in favour of abortions for rape, incest and mother’s life in danger. They didn’t like it as ‘birth control’ or ‘inconvenience’. Now I feel like it should be allowed for inconvenience so I disagree with banning it before 16 weeks. However, most of the more extreme examples I agree with.

I am not American, I am British. I am not pro-gun ownership and I voted for Labour in the last election.

This is pretty extreme:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/26/politics/kfile-kamala-harris-praised-defund-the-police-movement-in-june-2020/index.html

And so is their trans ideology.

Most people don't agree with it, but just like Corbyn, they think that they know better than their voters so won't change their policies and so deserve to lose.

Most of his businesses have gone bust. 🤷‍♀️

Fucking hell, is this thread for real? "Bless be the fruit" and all that. Scary shit.

He is worth almost USD4 billion.
He started with either a relatively small injection from family or nothing, depending on what you believe.
I would call that a personal resounding success.
His position as President is less centred around personal monetary gain. I believe this ‘business’ will be a resounding success.

As one of those innocent people in Clacton, thank you! However, my husband has the idea that Trump will visit to see where his "friend" Farage is an MP. We'd need more than milkshakes for that visit.

The trans ideology has alienated a lot of would be democrats. Personally I find their other policies much more important and would never vote in Trump because of it, but I can understand why someone might if they were that emotionally
focussed on that issue.

The detail about schools - public schools in the US are locally funded in each School District, with some funding from state and federal government. Schools can and do bus children within Districts if individual schools are overcrowded. School Districts are obliged to accept and provide an appropriate education for every child whose parents register them. Local funding comes from property taxes.

Also, the detail about immigration - explain please the support for Trump in states where there are barely any immigrants or where immigrants find jobs and do not displace locals? Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, West Virginia, Maine, South Dakota, North Dakota, or states where immigrants themselves make up a large portion of the population - Florida, Texas...

Health services - what is that in the US context? There is private insurance that people entitled to work in the US get through work, private insurance bought under the terms of the ACA, and then there's Medicaid and Medicare, which are both government-provided healthcare benefits. Immigrants who do not have green cards are not entitled to healthcare on the public dime apart from maternity and baby and toddler healthcare services. Green card holders, who are entitled to work, are either employed or supported by a spouse, and either have health insurance provided by an employer or a spouse, have bought their own via the ACA, or are entitled to Medicaid (which is means tested) or Medicare (for those aged over 65). Healthcare providers are not creaking to meet need because of immigrants and displacing anyone's granny from her eye appointment.

And please explain why the states that supported Kamala Harris, and tend to support the Democratic candidate every time, are those where a huge number of immigrants end up - New York, Illinois, California.

Immigration in the US is an issue because of race. When Trump howls about "immigrants" he's talking in code and referring to brown and black people. This is the only aspect of US politics that has any similarity to the UK.

We have a comedian on board!

Funnily enough I know your type…

• ...states where immigrants themselves make up a large portion of the VOTING population...