Women of MN - What do you like about Trump?

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He couldn’t have been voted in without the support of women. As a non-Trump fan myself, I’m wondering what is it you like about him? This applies to non-US voters who favour him and would vote for him if possible.

I like that he is anti-abortion, anti-immigration and anti-transgender. In theory I like his pro-small government claims but in practice I don’t think he followed through during his premiership. I like his proposed reduction in funding for the Department of Education as I am in support of homeschooling as a rule rather than an exception.

I disagree with his stance on healthcare entirely and think that his financial policies are demented. If I were American, I would not have voted for him due to these reasons and because of his sustained immorality, but I almost certainly wouldn’t have voted for Harris either, as prominently campaigning on the platform of “protecting your daughter's right to end the life of your grandchildren in the womb” is not something I can stomach morally. Though I think it’s more likely I would have impulsively voted for her at the booth despite my intentions than Trump.

I am in the UK, but pay a moderate amount of attention to events in the US/election.

The Harris campaign just appeared to be soundbites; maybe I missed the interviews where she talked about strategy?

It clearly isn't/wasn't Biden running the show for the past year or so, but it didn't appear to be Kamala either.

My memories of her early years in office was that the press trashed her and that she was increasingly sidelined.

The newspack tried to make the campaign all about abortion. I don't think that was top of most peoples' agenda. Women=adult human female on the other hand....

Strong answer @batt3nb3rg. Are you ok (hypothetically) with your daughter bleeding out in the parking lot of a medical centre, rather than HCPs deal with a miscarriage for fear of breaking the law?
Do you want to control anything else about your daughter's life and body?

Any thoughts on his other policies (taken from the Times (UK Ed):-
• Building a “state-of-the-art next-generation missile defence shield” for the US
• Introducing up to ten new “freedom cities” and an anti-woke university
• An energy policy he sums up as “drill, baby, drill”
• A central credentialling system for teachers to show they “embrace patriotic values”
• Military intervention to control domestic protests
• The shooting of shoplifters
• Cost-free IVF access for all
• The death penalty for drug dealers and child traffickers

How can anyone not recognise the hypocrisy between banning abortions and shooting shop lifters and having the death penalty???

No, I’m obviously not okay with that, but I don’t see that that is an inevitable consequence of abortion not being available, as care for a naturally occurring miscarriage, or spontaneous abortion, is not the same as a medically induced abortion. Unfortunately there are no circumstances in which I can be okay with a baby being killed even where the mother’s life is in danger. If a woman will die or be seriously harmed if she remains pregnant, labour should be induced, the baby delivered, and given every chance to survive if past viability. If the baby was killed first, it would still need to be delivered, whether vaginally or by c-section.

As to your other points - I did already say I disagree with Trump. The post asked for what women like about him, so I listed everything that I see as a positive and then concluded I wouldn’t vote for him because his headlining economic policy is lunacy.

It is clearly not hypocritical. It’s like saying, can no one see the hypocrisy between refusing to smack a baby for crying for their nappy to be changed, but still putting a 5 year old on the naughty step. The death penalty is a consequence for anti-social behaviour that harms others. Abortion is the ending of a blameless, pre-born life at the behest of someone else. If you commit a crime punishable by death, you are yourself consenting to being executed.

I don’t know how I feel about the death penalty for shoplifting, but I think for things like murder, rape, child abuse, carjacking, burglary, it is something I am in support of. Deeply anti-social criminality will only be stamped out of the consequences are harsh and the perpetrators are never released to reoffend.

Bloody hell. Suddenly today’s result makes sense.

So, you consider rape to be so heinous that you would be OK with the state killing someone for it, but you would still force the victim to have a baby that resulted from it, with all the mental trauma that is likely to cause? Right.

I like that he is anti-abortion

I'm puzzled by this. I've never heard him say he is anti abortion and in fact recently when someone tried to get him to explicitly say this he wouldn't be drawn.

I'd understood that he was quite a fan of abortion himself, much like Boris Johnson. He just knows what plays well with his voters.

That's what I had also understood @CitrineRaindropPhoenix

He’s a piece of shit. Stop trying to normalise him.

It is an inevitable consequence. It is happening in the US. It happened in Ireland. I was in the situation a few years after abortion was legalised here where I was having a miscarriage, had sepsis and would die leaving my children without a mother. The 7 week fetus still had a heartbeat. If abortion was not legal I would have died. An abortion saved my life. Without it both me and the fetus would have died. My children would have been without a mother. I know I would have died because in the same hospital a few years previously before abortion was legal a woman in the same circumstances as me died. Abortion is healthcare. You cannot have robust healthcare for women without abortion.

I know. It is an uncomfortable realisation...

Yeah, he wants it to be available to anyone he has accidentally impregnated but couldn’t care less about the little people.

I suspect he doesn’t even understand that his SC judges’ actions have also made it dangerous for women to have a miscarriage, and for medics to help them.

I héard him say that women who have an abortion should be punished. That doesn't sounf pro abortion to me.

None of that explains a vote for Trump though. Abstention, spoiling your ballot or voting for the Greens, maybe.

@batt3nb3rg could you quote where Trump says he is anti abortion? I don't think he has explicitly said anything one way or the other. Melania, however, has explicitly said she supports a woman's right to choose. It seems an odd issue for you to mention as a reason to support Trump.

Shocking hey? I read those posts with my jaw on the floor.

Absolutely nothing. He has no redeeming qualities either political or personal.
If I was american I would be applying for asylum in the UK as it is increasingly unsafe for anybody who hasn’t drunk the trump koolaid.
God help those who tried to hold him to account for his crimes.

Unfortunately there are no circumstances in which I can be okay with a baby being killed even where the mother’s life is in danger.

Stunned. A cluster of cells matters more than a woman's life. @batt3nb3rg

These attitudes are so deeply disturbing.

I am saddened by women feeling this way.

I am relieved I live in Europe with my daughters.

If you break down the results, it looks as if it was the support of younger (and possibly younger white) men that swung it in the key states.

I am in the US and personally would never have voted for him, even if I were a citizen, but I am GC and hope he restores the word sex and tosses out the word gender in Title IX.

This is what the abortion ban means in practice. A grieving husband and a motherless child.

www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban

How would home schooling as a rule rather than exception work when in the majority of families parents go to work - earn money, have a career etc

Except that isn't how the death penalty works, is it?

If it had any effect at all on criminality, the US would be a veritable paradise where nobody would ever be shot, raped, or robbed.

For me, you can't be pro life and also support the death penalty, and you can't support the untrammeled right to own and bear arms.

All the death penalty achieves is the brutalism of the public mind and the cheapening of human life. It goes completely against the human dignity basis of the pro life philosophy.

This is aside altogether from the massive issues around access to legal representation and institutional bias that is based on historical attitudes to race.