Women of MN - What do you like about Trump?

[ShinyTime]

He couldn’t have been voted in without the support of women. As a non-Trump fan myself, I’m wondering what is it you like about him? This applies to non-US voters who favour him and would vote for him if possible.

@Ringojuice that's a really bizarre comment.
You're obviously far right and a xenophobe, but not everyone is focused on vengeance like you. Some of us want to understand WHY bad things happen in order to change them.

White supremacist propaganda alert.

https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/1352-1390

Well East Asians actually commit crimes at a lower rate than white Americans. So you have a point there. And they tend to immigrate legally.

However. Unvetted male migrants are a source of crime in the United States that is easy to solve.

How about refuting the statistic instead of clutching your pearls?

Starts off as a civilised thread. Like many threads on Mumsnet these days soon descends into an alt-right fascist fest.

Bizarre.

Trumps win has definitely emboldened the far right across the world, as we all knew it would.

What's Trump doing about guns?

Sorry but it’s a revelation to live in a proper urban environment abroad and not have to worry about getting shot or mugged. I wish it wasn’t like that in America.

And basically you are sitting here saying ‘it’s not so bad’!

Yeah, it’s actually pretty fucking bad.

Some of us want to understand WHY bad things happen in order to change them

You can try to address root causes while locking up criminals. It’s not either/or.

His appointment of the first female White House Chief of Staff.

His clear and emphatic rejection of gender ideology.

The strength of personality that lets him push through the tightening bonds of what elites and media deem acceptable points to discuss. He shifts Overton's Window. He doesn't condescend to his fellow citizens.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf

That's not even accounting for the fact that black criminals are more likely to be arrested than white criminals.

Our findings reveal that, on average, when two offenders of different races commit the same offense together against the same victim, Black offenders are significantly more likely to be arrested than their White co-offending partners, especially for assault offenses.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10321492/

Because @batt3nb3rg is anti women and expects that women will pick up this task.

So, @batt3nb3rg … “Unfortunately there are no circumstances in which I can be okay with a baby being killed even where the mother’s life is in danger…” For this sentence alone you need an education. I sincerely hope you have no daughters or granddaughters.

Yes, this. In Trump's world my brother would have faced the death penalty, I'd have been forced to birth his children. I quite possibly would have ended my own life as a result. So my parents would have lost 2 DC.

Now the situation we have here where he effectively got away with it isn't great. But I personally wouldn't have wanted him killed for what he did.

In answer to @ShinyTime's question. I wouldn't vote for him in a month of Sundays. I can't stand the man. But I like that he knows the difference between men and women.

@SailorSong you don’t think he is condescending

Isn’t it likely that the co-offending partner is likely to be a woman, so she’s not going to get the same kind of sentence?

Anyway. I really just want safe streets. You telling me I deserve to live with violence because of the crimes of my ancestors…is not helpful.

What's Trump doing about guns?

Idk let’s wait and see. Gun control wasn’t much of an issue this election

When there is a second offender in the crime, it's most likely to be a gang member, which would be a man.

I didn't say anything remotely like what you're claiming I said. I suspect you're just peeved because you got your facts wrong and don't want to admit it, so you are deflecting. Why not free yourself? Face the reality that you've been hoodwinked by white supremacist lies and embrace reality and truth instead.

Over 40,000 people died last year from guns in the US. If you're so concerned about safety, then that's the place to start.

I'd also be worried about domestic violence, more than 55% of female homicides are carried out by partners. Nearly 1m women have survived being shot by a partner.

How is Trump going to deal with this and protect women?

Gangs don’t tend to be multiracial. But couples often are and the study goes out of its way to reference mixed gender offenders. But never puts forth that an opposite gender partner might result in a white partner getting a lesser sentence.

You are the one seething over basic statistics. You want to call simple numbers ‘racist’ which is pretty telling tbh. Facts themselves aren’t racist.

It’s a big issue that requires careful consideration, and not one easily solved.

This separates it from illegal immigration, which is very easily solved.

"This separates it from illegal immigration, which is very easily solved.

Climate crisis and conflict around the world means we'll always have refugees and migrants.

It's absolutely not a problem that's 'easily solved'.

"But I like that he knows the difference between men and women."

Everyone knows the difference between men and women.

But some people believe gender is a social construct that is not the same as biological sex. There have always been a tiny number of people who think and live like this around the world and there have always been others who accept these people on their own terms.

The targeting of the trans community by whipping up hatred and fear against them has been a useful political tool for the far right, which has always targeted minority and marginalised groups and used them to create a common enemy.

Oh here you are, still twisting and whipping up women not wanting men in women's sports, prisons, changing rooms, rape crisis shelters to name a few as hating ALL trans people.

Not wanting confused children put onto a pathway of horrific irreversible medical interventions that may cause them a lifetime of pain, infertility and the rest.

Why don't you come up with actual answers as to why women should accept men in their sports and spaces and give actual evidence as to blanket 'trans hate' rather than trot round the boards with this rhetoric? Any evidence of 'hate' towards trans men?

@AccidentallyWesAnderson

There are so few transgender people that statistically, numerically, their existence can never pose a significant threat to the wellbeing of women, no matter how much space they take up in your mind.

If you stopped obsessing about transgender people you'd hardly know they exist.

Unfortunately this isn't true. There are men in women's spaces everywhere. I don't know if you've heard of this thing called the Olympics, as well?