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Women of MN - What do you like about Trump?

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ShinyTime · 06/11/2024 09:37

He couldn’t have been voted in without the support of women. As a non-Trump fan myself, I’m wondering what is it you like about him? This applies to non-US voters who favour him and would vote for him if possible.

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chumpt · 06/11/2024 23:33

mathanxiety · 06/11/2024 23:01

Laughable.

On June 5 this year, US Senate Republicans blocked a bill that would have protected nationwide access to contraception, defined as any drug, device, or biological product designed to prevent pregnancy. The fundamentalist constituency that makes up part of the core of GOP support is determined to see an end to contraception.

The mitigation by self care argument is utter bullshit.

And FYI, hormonal contraception is prescribed to control a lot of conditions affecting women, including but not limited to cystic acne, and women of childbearing age can't be prescribed Accutane without also going on the Pill.

There are clear legal guidelines. If a foetal heartbeat is detected, any medical treatment that stops that heart beating is deemed to be abortion.

a link to referred document would be appreciated.
by the way, it is the type of language, like 'laughable', 'bullshit', drive more and more people to vote of the right wing.

AccountCreateUsername · 07/11/2024 00:40

Bullshit!

XChrome · 07/11/2024 00:40

chumpt · 06/11/2024 23:33

a link to referred document would be appreciated.
by the way, it is the type of language, like 'laughable', 'bullshit', drive more and more people to vote of the right wing.

Really? Words is all it takes? That's super snowflakey and a stupid thing to base your politics on.

chumpt · 07/11/2024 00:55

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Wow. You have anger management issues. You can't offer a counterargument so you resort to extremely immature (and illiterate) personal attacks.
Somebody may report your post, which violates MN guidelines, but I want you to know it won't be me. I love it when I'm proven right about somebody, so I say bring it on.
It's amusing that you can't even write a sentence properly but call me a moron. Project much, boo?

batt3nb3rg · 07/11/2024 02:16

AccountCreateUsername · 06/11/2024 22:25

And the death penalty isn’t for antisocial behaviour. Much as I’m sure you’d love it to be. How ghoulish.

Murder is the ultimate anti-social behaviour, which is why it has historically been punished with death. I believe it should also apply to other forms of anti-social behaviour that risk the lives of other people, like attempted murder, rape, serious assaults, violent robberies. Anti-social behaviour isn’t just kicking bins over in the park, it is any behaviour that violates the social contract that gives people the right to be free from certain types of behaviour, and the responsibility not to inflict that kind of behaviour on others.

batt3nb3rg · 07/11/2024 02:31

XChrome · 06/11/2024 21:56

I wasn't talking about you specifically. It was a general comment about how hypocritical Trumpers are.

I think you must have been, given that as far as I can see I am the only person who expressed potential support for the death penalty for shoplifting. Even though nowhere did I say I would have voted for Trump or am in any way happy he was elected, and I don’t believe anyone else has. This thread was made by someone soliciting positive opinions on a person we - rightly - mainly hear negatives about, who has just been voted for by a majority in his country and so must hold appeal for most of them.

You are so attached to your narrative that anyone who could have a single positive to say about a Trump policy is a crazy screaming Trumper who would suck him off under his podium if he asked them that you can’t accept that a person could say a single positive about his position and also not have voted for him. Which is exactly why the Democrats lost - middle-of-the-road voters who have a more moderate stance on abortion, the transgender issue, and immigration, refused to vote for a candidate who joined her supporters in their contempt for anyone who would even consider voting Republican.

XChrome · 07/11/2024 02:44

batt3nb3rg · 07/11/2024 02:31

I think you must have been, given that as far as I can see I am the only person who expressed potential support for the death penalty for shoplifting. Even though nowhere did I say I would have voted for Trump or am in any way happy he was elected, and I don’t believe anyone else has. This thread was made by someone soliciting positive opinions on a person we - rightly - mainly hear negatives about, who has just been voted for by a majority in his country and so must hold appeal for most of them.

You are so attached to your narrative that anyone who could have a single positive to say about a Trump policy is a crazy screaming Trumper who would suck him off under his podium if he asked them that you can’t accept that a person could say a single positive about his position and also not have voted for him. Which is exactly why the Democrats lost - middle-of-the-road voters who have a more moderate stance on abortion, the transgender issue, and immigration, refused to vote for a candidate who joined her supporters in their contempt for anyone who would even consider voting Republican.

That's quite a petulant and somewhat unhinged rant for no reason at all.
Your comment about shoplifting was just used as an example of how Trumpers think. It's irrelevant whether it not you support him, because people who do support him think the same way you do. I can't put it any plainer than that, so if you still don't understand I can't help you.

Simonjt · 07/11/2024 05:54

batt3nb3rg · 07/11/2024 02:16

Murder is the ultimate anti-social behaviour, which is why it has historically been punished with death. I believe it should also apply to other forms of anti-social behaviour that risk the lives of other people, like attempted murder, rape, serious assaults, violent robberies. Anti-social behaviour isn’t just kicking bins over in the park, it is any behaviour that violates the social contract that gives people the right to be free from certain types of behaviour, and the responsibility not to inflict that kind of behaviour on others.

So surely invading a womans body and refusing to leave is both anti-social and causes risk to life, or is it okay if its women being harmed?

RingoJuice · 07/11/2024 06:03

mathanxiety · 06/11/2024 20:23

The detail about schools - public schools in the US are locally funded in each School District, with some funding from state and federal government. Schools can and do bus children within Districts if individual schools are overcrowded. School Districts are obliged to accept and provide an appropriate education for every child whose parents register them. Local funding comes from property taxes.

Also, the detail about immigration - explain please the support for Trump in states where there are barely any immigrants or where immigrants find jobs and do not displace locals? Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, West Virginia, Maine, South Dakota, North Dakota, or states where immigrants themselves make up a large portion of the population - Florida, Texas...

Health services - what is that in the US context? There is private insurance that people entitled to work in the US get through work, private insurance bought under the terms of the ACA, and then there's Medicaid and Medicare, which are both government-provided healthcare benefits. Immigrants who do not have green cards are not entitled to healthcare on the public dime apart from maternity and baby and toddler healthcare services. Green card holders, who are entitled to work, are either employed or supported by a spouse, and either have health insurance provided by an employer or a spouse, have bought their own via the ACA, or are entitled to Medicaid (which is means tested) or Medicare (for those aged over 65). Healthcare providers are not creaking to meet need because of immigrants and displacing anyone's granny from her eye appointment.

And please explain why the states that supported Kamala Harris, and tend to support the Democratic candidate every time, are those where a huge number of immigrants end up - New York, Illinois, California.

Immigration in the US is an issue because of race. When Trump howls about "immigrants" he's talking in code and referring to brown and black people. This is the only aspect of US politics that has any similarity to the UK.

Yeah, well the Haitian migrant issue is a very real problem in places like Ohio and Pennsylvania, places that never before had to deal with large numbers of immigrants. My hometown is not far from Springfield OH so I voted Trump
out of concern for my hometown.

No town should have 20,000 immigrants dumped on them like that. It’s only a town of 50,000 people!

blackrabbitwhiterabbit · 07/11/2024 06:04

Ok, I'm a teacher of some really deprived teenagers who often shoplift just to get hold of something to eat. Often, they can't afford the bus. Should they be put to death?

DrBlackbird · 07/11/2024 07:28

I get that immigration is turning a lot of voters to the right. In this particular case, people could’ve abstained from voting if they didn’t like Harris or democrats. Trump is a nut case. A dangerous and angry nut case that will not listen to any adults this time around. He didn’t hide it. It was there for all to see amidst his soundbites. But it seems there are a lot of emotional people who share his anger. It is depressing and a bit frightening.

chumpt · 07/11/2024 09:23

XChrome · 07/11/2024 01:44

Wow. You have anger management issues. You can't offer a counterargument so you resort to extremely immature (and illiterate) personal attacks.
Somebody may report your post, which violates MN guidelines, but I want you to know it won't be me. I love it when I'm proven right about somebody, so I say bring it on.
It's amusing that you can't even write a sentence properly but call me a moron. Project much, boo?

just a example of how it make people FEEL. As you have clearly felt. whoever did clearly didn’t understand the point.

chumpt · 07/11/2024 09:35

XChrome · 07/11/2024 01:44

Wow. You have anger management issues. You can't offer a counterargument so you resort to extremely immature (and illiterate) personal attacks.
Somebody may report your post, which violates MN guidelines, but I want you to know it won't be me. I love it when I'm proven right about somebody, so I say bring it on.
It's amusing that you can't even write a sentence properly but call me a moron. Project much, boo?

It’s very ironic why my post being reported, whilst others remained. I used idiot and moron, similar words to stupid, bullshit, laughable, and mine got reported, because of what? I have a different view that I think people should reflect on how come so many voters been pushed to vote trump. Something needs to be reflected and acted upon, before extreme right spread further.

Brefugee · 07/11/2024 10:36

if you genuinely think an unborn child is a child, then he or she comes before everything. And yes they will come before the woman carrying them - even if they circumstance is distressing for the woman.

But @Newsenmum it is more likely to be non viable or already "dying" fœtus. Anyone who puts that over their own life is batshit. Because then both are gone. When that woman already has children it is catastrophic

Newsenmum · 07/11/2024 15:03

localnotail · 06/11/2024 21:46

If you are "pro-life" and want the state to control women's reproductive function you should only be too happy to pay higher tax to support children who end up in foster homes and who will need the state to look after them - and to make sure they grow up into adults who are not a burden on society. Unless you want to have tens of thousands of abandons ill kids dumped in orphanages and massive crime problem from gangs of feral street kids.

Edited: that is, after you pass the small issue of scores of young females dying as a result of backstreet abortions. Look to Romania for reference.

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I completely agree that there needs to be a LOT of funding to support these babies.

Although with your final point, you could argue it’s like the prostitution and surrogacy arguments which a lot of mumsnetters hate of ‘legalise it purely because it happens anyway’.

Newsenmum · 07/11/2024 15:05

Brefugee · 07/11/2024 10:36

if you genuinely think an unborn child is a child, then he or she comes before everything. And yes they will come before the woman carrying them - even if they circumstance is distressing for the woman.

But @Newsenmum it is more likely to be non viable or already "dying" fœtus. Anyone who puts that over their own life is batshit. Because then both are gone. When that woman already has children it is catastrophic

I could be wrong but pretty sure you could abort a Down’s syndrome baby very late term?

Newsenmum · 07/11/2024 15:05

DrBlackbird · 07/11/2024 07:28

I get that immigration is turning a lot of voters to the right. In this particular case, people could’ve abstained from voting if they didn’t like Harris or democrats. Trump is a nut case. A dangerous and angry nut case that will not listen to any adults this time around. He didn’t hide it. It was there for all to see amidst his soundbites. But it seems there are a lot of emotional people who share his anger. It is depressing and a bit frightening.

I think they did abstain. A number of democrats did.

Newsenmum · 07/11/2024 15:07

I’ll admit though, all this death penalty stuff is pretty creepy. 😳

FlatWhiteExtraHot · 07/11/2024 16:05

localnotail · 06/11/2024 21:38

Anti-abortions are in most cases the same people who think there should be no free healthcare, no welfare, no free schools - so, basically, they care so, so, sooooo much about baby's life that they dont give a shit about it after its born. Woman wanted an abortion as she is poor and already has too many kids? Who cares. Woman was raped - who cares. Girl is a teenager who cant look after the child - who cares. Woman is ill and the pregnancy is dangerous for both - who cares. Foetus is deformed and will die as soon as its born - who cares.

But once its out, its literally not their problem, and most of them would be only too happy to see it executed further down the line if the said former baby turns to the life of crime as a result of shit poor upbringing, no education and total lack of any meaningful opportunity in life.

Such lovely people, care so passionately about foetuses but dont give a fuck about women and their already living kids.

Of course not, because if those women had just “kept their legs shut” it would never have happened, which is what it boils down to really. 😕

RingoJuice · 07/11/2024 16:47

Newsenmum · 07/11/2024 15:07

I’ll admit though, all this death penalty stuff is pretty creepy. 😳

Why?

Newsenmum · 07/11/2024 17:10

RingoJuice · 07/11/2024 16:47

Why?

because putting people to death is creepy?

Newsenmum · 07/11/2024 17:11

Newsenmum · 07/11/2024 17:10

because putting people to death is creepy?

I’ll rephrase. Killing people is creepy.

RingoJuice · 07/11/2024 17:28

Meh. I don’t care if the state executes murderers. They cannot be rehabilitated nor would I ever take that risk.

localnotail · 07/11/2024 17:39

Newsenmum · 07/11/2024 15:03

I completely agree that there needs to be a LOT of funding to support these babies.

Although with your final point, you could argue it’s like the prostitution and surrogacy arguments which a lot of mumsnetters hate of ‘legalise it purely because it happens anyway’.

I completely disagree - abortion is not like prostitution or surrogacy as its not as simple - its not a question of choice. For many, its a question of life and death, of ruined lives and unwanted children. You can chose not to become a prostitute (not taking into account sex trafficking here) or to use a surrogate - but you can't chose not to fall pregnant once you have sex - even if you were not forced to do that, there is not contraception available that is 100% failproof. There will always be unwanted pregnancies. To me, abortion is better than unwanted children.