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Women of MN - What do you like about Trump?

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ShinyTime · 06/11/2024 09:37

He couldn’t have been voted in without the support of women. As a non-Trump fan myself, I’m wondering what is it you like about him? This applies to non-US voters who favour him and would vote for him if possible.

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izimbra · 07/11/2024 22:57

"I think he's a strong person to still be standing with the relentless slander and abuse thrown at him. "

He's an abject narcissist who describes his political adversaries as 'lunatics' 'mentally impaired' and 'evil'.

He's surrounded by flunkies and arse lickers who are telling him he's God's anointed saviour.

Parker231 · 07/11/2024 22:58

Deja321 · 07/11/2024 22:53

I'm not American so didn't vote but i like Trump. I think he's really funny. I think he's brave. He says what he thinks. I believe he did a good job last time.
I think he's a strong person to still be standing with the relentless slander and abuse thrown at him. He seems unfazed so he's either very resilient or just good at not showing his stress. I think he's a good leader and loves his country.
Doesn't mean I agree with everything he says but I don't trust the other politicians.

What has he done which makes you think he’s brave? What did he do well last time? How has he demonstrated good leadership?

kittybiscuits · 07/11/2024 22:58

I like him with a sanitary towel on his head after a staged 'assassination attempt'

izimbra · 07/11/2024 23:00

BTW - it's only 'slander' if it's not true.

RingoJuice · 07/11/2024 23:01

izimbra · 07/11/2024 22:43

BTW - America's incredibly punitive penal system is highly ineffectual at deterring crime or protecting people from violence.

Never the less - violent crime has fallen significantly from a peak in the late 1990's.

You wouldn't know this from listening to Trump, but then that's what fascist leaders do. Ignore the evidence and talk ceaselessly about violent crime - preferably using this to stir up fear and hatred of a minority group.

We actually don’t have to live with crime you know. We can just jail violent people. I don’t want to have to be ‘street smart’. I want to walk in American cities and not worry about getting raped and murdered. I want what European cities (used to) have.

Why should I live in fear? I want violent men to live in fear.

izimbra · 07/11/2024 23:01

Mussolini was an absolute hoot apparently.

Deja321 · 07/11/2024 23:01

Parker231 · 07/11/2024 22:58

What has he done which makes you think he’s brave? What did he do well last time? How has he demonstrated good leadership?

I think he's brave to keep going with the media and establishment going after him. I would have given up.
I like that no new wars started when he was president and alot of Americans say they were financially better off under Trump. He seemed to have good relationships with other world leaders.

izimbra · 07/11/2024 23:04

How many people do you want to jail, and for how long?

The USA already has the biggest prison population in the developed world.

And about five times the violent crime rate of Norway, which has a famously 'soft' penal system.

RingoJuice · 07/11/2024 23:04

izimbra · 07/11/2024 22:43

BTW - America's incredibly punitive penal system is highly ineffectual at deterring crime or protecting people from violence.

Never the less - violent crime has fallen significantly from a peak in the late 1990's.

You wouldn't know this from listening to Trump, but then that's what fascist leaders do. Ignore the evidence and talk ceaselessly about violent crime - preferably using this to stir up fear and hatred of a minority group.

It’s also amazing that people who denigrate America as an awful violent place will, at the same time, pull this ‘well ackshully, it’s not as violent as you think!’ bullshit.

It’s violent! We all know it! And we want to fucking fix that.

RingoJuice · 07/11/2024 23:07

The USA already has the biggest prison population in the developed world

We need it. We are much more violent than East Asia or Europe.

And about five times the violent crime rate of Norway, which has a famously 'soft' penal system

Probably because the Norwegian prison system is full of Norwegians LMAO. Are you fucking kidding me?

izimbra · 07/11/2024 23:09

"I like that no new wars started when he was president"

From foreignpolicy.com

"Let’s review the record. Despite inveighing against “endless wars,” Trump massively escalated the country’s existing wars in multiple theaters, leadingg to skyrocketing casualties. In Afghanistan, he substantially upped the amount of airstrikes, leadingg to a 330 percent increase in civilian deaths. In Yemen, he escalatedd both U.S. counterterrorism activities and supportt for the devastating Saudi-led war against the Houthis. According to the United Kingdom’s Bureau of Investigative Journalismm_, there were 2,243 drone strikes in just the first two years of Trump’s presidency, compared with 1,878 in the entire eight years of the Obama administration."

"and alot of Americans say they were financially better off under Trump".

Prices of food and basic goods were significantly cheaper across the developed world before the pandemic, which caused rocketing inflation in the US and the Eurozone.

"He seemed to have good relationships with other world leaders."

Lol - dictators love him, because he's easily flattered and manipulated.

crumblingschools · 07/11/2024 23:10

@Deja321 many countries including England have suffered cost of living crisis in the last few years. If Trump had been in office in the last few years I’m sure costs would still have risen

izimbra · 07/11/2024 23:11

"We need it. We are much more violent than East Asia or Europe."

Why do you think the USA is so violent?

Why do you think it has 5 x the murder rate of the UK?

Brananan · 07/11/2024 23:12

I like his total support of US manufacturing.

Parker231 · 07/11/2024 23:13

Deja321 · 07/11/2024 23:01

I think he's brave to keep going with the media and establishment going after him. I would have given up.
I like that no new wars started when he was president and alot of Americans say they were financially better off under Trump. He seemed to have good relationships with other world leaders.

I don’t think he’s brave dealing with the media - it’s his job and he intentionally inflames the situation.,

His relationship with Putin might be good but don’t class that as a positive when you consider Ukraine.,

The Washington Post reported-
Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years
The “King of Debt” promised to reduce the national debt — then his tax cuts made it surge. Add in the pandemic, and he oversaw the third-biggest deficit increase of any president.

izimbra · 07/11/2024 23:15

"Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years"

He's going to make it as large as possible with further enormous tax cuts.

And that provides an economic rationale for Project 2025's agenda of giant cuts to social security and Medicare, which are planned.

izimbra · 07/11/2024 23:21

"I like his total support of US manufacturing"

eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/01/fact-check-did-trump-overstate-manufacturing-job-gains-during-debate/114197350/

"Manufacturing output rose during the first year and a half of Trump's presidency, but at a rate not much faster than during most of Obama's presidency. And after that, output stagnated or even declined slightly."

He talks the talk though, and that's obviously worked on you, and all the other people who never fact check him.

RingoJuice · 07/11/2024 23:26

Demographics. It’s stark and something Europe never has had to deal with until very, very recently.

izimbra · 07/11/2024 23:29

Demographics?

Is that why violent crime is falling in the UK?

MrsSkylerWhite · 07/11/2024 23:32

crumblingschools · Yesterday 18:03

Aren’t most people in America immigrants?

Quite.

RingoJuice · 07/11/2024 23:43

izimbra · 07/11/2024 23:29

Demographics?

Is that why violent crime is falling in the UK?

I can’t speak for the UK.

But 13% of the American population is black. They commit 50% of the murders in America.

That’s a hard statistic, and something UK/Europeans do not have to deal with.

Nor do you have to deal with cartel violence. Now this violence doesn’t really affect normal people, but it does swell our prison population.

Sweden is dealing with a fraction of the amount of violence that Americans have to live with, and they are already throwing the towel on their little multicultural project.

izimbra · 07/11/2024 23:51

Ringojuice, why do you think black communities that were subject to centuries of extreme violence, rape and subjugation through slavery & Jim Crow (the latter within living memory) are more crime ridden?

izimbra · 07/11/2024 23:54

"• A 2023 National Bureau of Economic Research study found that immigrants are 60% less likely to be incarcerated than US-born citizens.
• A study of Texas data from 2012 to 2018 found that undocumented immigrants were arrested at less than half the rate of native-born US citizens for violent and drug crimes.

Maybe America needs some more immigrants to dilute the violent tendencies of US born citizens. Hmm

XChrome · 07/11/2024 23:57

crumblingschools · 07/11/2024 23:10

@Deja321 many countries including England have suffered cost of living crisis in the last few years. If Trump had been in office in the last few years I’m sure costs would still have risen

The US under Biden actually had the quickest recovery from the economic hardships caused by the pandemic of any country. That's a fact, but I have found that you can't get Trumpers to respond to facts. They based their beliefs mostly on their emotional need for a strongman to protect them from the threats the strongman has convinced them they will face without him.

RingoJuice · 07/11/2024 23:57

izimbra · 07/11/2024 23:51

Ringojuice, why do you think black communities that were subject to centuries of extreme violence, rape and subjugation through slavery & Jim Crow (the latter within living memory) are more crime ridden?

So you basically think Americans deserve to be placed at a higher risk of rape and murder from this demographic? At least you are being honest I suppose.

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