Money is pouring in for Kamala Harris as U.S. presidential candidate

[MsAmerica]

And I confess myself very surprised.

Kamala Harris' fundraising reaches a record-breaking $100 million since Biden's exit
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/23/fundraising-for-kamala-harris-tops-100-million-shattering-records/74509043007/

Historic flood of cash pours into Harris campaign and allied groups
www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/historic-flood-of-cash-pours-into-harris-campaign-and-allied-groups/ar-BB1qvtCj?ocid=BingNewsSerp

What I tell my daughter is that relationships are auditions for spending the rest of your life with someone. And if a guy can't control himself now, he's going to have a hard time controlling himself when married... So part of what you should look for now is a guy that will wait for you, because of he's willing to do that now, he is probably going to remain faithful.

Ah, OK. Full on fundamentalist Christian no sex before marriage believer who thinks that if you wait, men won't cheat. Thank you for confirming that I am not debating with a rational human being here. It's actually quite scary, because your assumption is that your daughters won't want to have sex. Actually, enjoying sex is a healthy, natural thing to do for both men and women.

Also hey, your daughters might turn out to be gay...

There's good data available from many Western European countries which have low abortion rates, so that's just an unwillingness on your part to accept that there are places which are getting it right.

I don't worship anything at all. What is it that you think I worship?

More lame word salad used to evade answering a question.
If you had the courage of your convictions you'd state flat out that you are opposed to abortion for any reason, in any circumstances. You'd state that you want forced birth to be the law of the land.
You do not have the courage of those convictions because even you have enough sense to suspect they might be reflective of your personal self-delusions and ignorance on the subject of pregnancy and birth.

So, what you're saying is that protecting your sex life is more important than protecting unborn children?

Clearly you don't know anything about Christ. You probably know a lot about the church being sinful. But before you cement your opinion that God doesn't exist, you should learn more about the man Jesus. Try starting with Galatians 5:22-23, and you'll get a sense of His character. All is fundamental Christians get it wrong every day, but He didn't... And He is the good in the good news of the gospel.

The Bible is a book written by people, for people, in order to maintain the political agenda of the day. Therefore anything written in it is going to be biased. I have in fact read the Bible as well as the books of other religions, and I'm still an atheist. It is as valid a position as your Christianity is, because ultimately both positions are a matter of belief rather than fact.

And when there is a choice to be made between protecting a woman who is already alive in this world and a potential child who is not, I choose the life that is already here. Simple as that.

By the way, the reason women on this thread find your point of view upsetting is that we have militant forced birthers funded by the US forced birth movement operating in the UK. They harrass women going into abortion clinics daily. If you guys would kindly stop funding our forced birther wingnuts, we'd be all good.

Yet you did reply, only in order to evade points as you have done with others. You just aren't good at debate, Wabash. Sorry, but that's reality. Most of your posts make little to no sense. You, like a lot of Americans, make decisions about where you stand on issues based purely on your emotions. Intellect and reason don't factor in to it. That why Trumpism exists and that's why loony fundamentalist Christianity has such a hold over American politics.

If that's what you got it from reading the Bible, consider looking again. The OT details how people are prone to making mistakes and need forgiveness, which is the the point of the coming Messiah (anointed, as in meant for a particular purpose).

The NT records Jesus' life and the life of his disciples (students/followers). Jesus most certainly didn't maintain the political agenda of his day. In fact, many of his words and actions were in direct opposition to them (Pharisees and Sadducees, religious leaders). He called them vipers and pointed out how those leaders didn't fulfill their duty to their people, but rather used their position and authority to make life better for themselves... And how that hypocrisy discouraged faith.

Jesus set the record straight on God's goodness by giving his very life to accomplish what the law and old testament leaders could not. To atone for our mistakes, and show what it means to love our neighbor.

Interestingly, our bible study group just spent some time thinking about that this week. In the parable of the good Samaritan, Jesus teaches a legal expert that a neighbor is one who has compassion on another. What I got out of it was who a neighbor is. I used to have a silly definition in my mind based on proximity. But the Samaritan and the Jew he helped would have been considered foreigners to each other, that didn't even share the same faith in God. Really opened my eyes to how I should view the rest of the world.

And while I think we both enjoy a bit of back and forth (otherwise why would we spend our time on these forums), there are more important truths in life. And based on Christ's words and actions, I have put my faith in Him, because He is good and there is no falseness in Him.

I'm sorry for the political wing nuts being funded from the US. Didn't realize that was happening. I can tell you I don't support that though, and I will pay attention to those organizations that are using abortion for political leverage, and steer clear of them. Thanks for the conversation. 😉

Interestingly, our bubble study group

If Freud lived today he'd probably say that sometimes a typo can actually reveal a subconscious truth, one the poster is unable to face. See; Freudian slip.

The problem is that you can advocate the Bible all you want, but ultimately it was not the historical figure of Jesus who wrote it. It has also been much edited, selectively, with parts included and left out according to the political climate of the day. Bottom line: It's just another book. You believe it's THE book because you have made that leap of faith. I haven't, and that's all there is to it. Neither of us can prove that we are wrong and that the other is right. So you live your life by your Bible, and I find my moral compass elsewhere.

And this is a primarily UK website so go away with your xenophobic argument.

If you'd bothered reading the article you might have learnt something but unfortunately some Americans think the world is only as big as America. There are countries all over the world who do things better than America.

Many of us don't want to be an ally of America if you reelect the orange one.

I am American. Your views are still abhorrent.

How about if I make some decisions about your body and your life? Cool. Where do you want me to start?

I think if these people want to live following the Bible they would have higher priorities than abortion. Abortion is mentioned zero times and looking after the poor, widow, orphan, foreigner crops up far more often.

I find it fascinating that certain Americans claim to be evangelical but actually seem to have missed the point so much.

Also seem to have missed the whole separation of church and state thing.

I agree with you so hard. I'm as atheist as anything and always will be, but on the whole I tend to live more by the bits of the Bible that are about helping others than the bits that the evangelicals seem to enjoy.

Interesting. I'm fascinated by the Bible and Jesus in particular. I think I've spent a lot of time unlearning what I heard about religion and finding out what's really important. And having a go at people about abortion really doesn't figure. Compassion for vulnerable people is right up there and this fuels my socialism.

My views on abortion are shared by 71% of Americans. My views on faith in Christ are shared by 68% of Americans. Guess we're all abhorrent.

Do you even know what that means?

Guess autocorrect has some issues they need to work on then. 🤣

Why do you think Christians try to minimize abortion so much? To help the unborn.

You should read Leviticus Ch. 20 then. Where Israel sacrificed their children to Molek. Only in today's culture some are sacrificing them in the name of sexual freedom... As some commenters in here have communicated.

As far as kindness goes. Super important in Christian faith, but part of kindness is telling the truth to someone. Jesus wasn't all roses and sunshine. In fact, to those who abused political power, he called them vipers and was very critical of them.

It's good that you are fascinated by Jesus and the Bible, but how can you not see that unborn children are the most vulnerable in all of creation?

Evangelical means they share the good news as instructed in the Great Commission. As in the last commandment Christ gave before He ascended to Heaven.

As far as why abortion is an important issue... Those lives were created by God. And we see examples in the old testament where Israel is apostate, worshipping other gods, and sacrificing their children to them... the most abhorrent (correct usage of this word btw) event in the Bible. When abortion is overused for the wrong reasons, it is just as abhorrent. That's why we Christians care so much. We also care about the other the orphan, the widow, the poor, and the foreigner. 95% of practicing Christians give to the causes and others. More than any other group or demographic of people. Probably worth a Google.

Many of the 71% of people who share your abortion views might not want legislation to enforce it on others though, which makes them pro-choice. That’s the difference. It will be interesting to see what happens in the states who have put the issue onto the ballot. Hopefully people will be given the ability to make their own choice based on personal situation and medical needs and not be forced to live out another person’s religious faith. It’s your faith and it’s up to you personally to live it.

The veracity of the Bible as a historical document has been debated and proven time and again.

First, take for example other historical figures Caesar, Plato, Tacitus. There is no question these people exist. The number of historical manuscripts between the three of them number less than 60. In comparison, the number of biblical transcripts and fragments from the time of the apostles numbers over 10,000. Jesus existed.

Second, the apostles who wrote those documents had first hand encounters with Jesus (except Mark), and when you compare their accounts with one another from a documentary evidence standard of proof overwhelmingly confirms they were not lying, as the authors who wrote them were in different countries, without the benefit of any technology. Remember, a scribe was the computer of that era. Many people who have studied this to disprove the gospel have ended up followers of Christ... Like Lee Strobel, who intended to dissuade his wife's faith, and ended up writing a book to convince others.

Last, the proof is in the following. Psalm 34:8 says taste and see that the Lord is good. It doesn't say give God blind faith and He might do something nice for you. It's more along the lines of give Him a chance and He won't let you down, no matter who you are, what you've done, where you came from, or what happened to you. He will bless even the smallest step of faith because that's who He is. Eventually, someone who takes this small step will realize they aren't in control of the mistakes they make that don't line up with God's plan, wisdom, teachings and commandments... Like I did, and every other practicing Christian. We come to the end of ourselves unable to live out the good instruction Jesus gave us, and we humble ourselves, admit our mistakes, and then miracles happen where He forgives us and makes us new, healing the broken parts of our character and blessing us with the ability to be good in ways that we previously weren't. That doesn't mean we're perfect. It means we're working on it. And He tells us to be peculiar. Peculiar like a conservative guy from Kansas going into a liberal UK women's site and engaging in dialogue. I'm still a mess for sure. And I'm not perfect, but I know someone who is. And I want more people to know that about Him because it's true and He instructs me to tell others.

That's fair to say, and I can understand why people get so passionate about it on both sides because of how politicized this issue is. At some point though, we the people will have to start thinking critically about this to develop reasonable limitations. Because you're right, right now the loudest voices out there are the extremes who use abortion to scare one another into not agreeing. I hope by now I've made it clear that I don't want to take away abortion rights, but that some limitations are needed outside of rape, incest and medical necessity... And I don't think that's as scary or far apart from the other reasonable voices out there.

In no way have I said I am pro abortion. What I have said is that I believe the best way to lower abortion rates is to improve life for women. That's exactly what I said up thread that you responded to by saying I was wrong. Statistics around the world back me up.

You don't reduce abortion by telling people they can't have abortions or by making cruel misogynistic laws. It's like Jesus said to the Pharisees in Matthew 23, that they put heavy laws on them but don't lift a finger to help.

You can bring out bits of Leviticus and try to squeeze them into modern contexts or you can look at the whole Bible through the lens of Jesus.