Money is pouring in for Kamala Harris as U.S. presidential candidate

[MsAmerica]

And I confess myself very surprised.

Kamala Harris' fundraising reaches a record-breaking $100 million since Biden's exit
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/23/fundraising-for-kamala-harris-tops-100-million-shattering-records/74509043007/

Historic flood of cash pours into Harris campaign and allied groups
www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/historic-flood-of-cash-pours-into-harris-campaign-and-allied-groups/ar-BB1qvtCj?ocid=BingNewsSerp

So are you saying the majority always get it right? That's an interesting one when you look at Jesus. The majority didn't follow him in the gospels. Does that mean he was wrong?

Maybe because they want to work with the same priorities that Jesus did. I can't bear the way the evangelical right in the US use abortion as some kind of plumbline while in the background so many of them are corrupt in their financial and sex lives, cheating on their families and the country.

We also care about the other the orphan, the widow, the poor, and the foreigner. 95% of practicing Christians give to the causes and others. More than any other group or demographic of people. Probably worth a Google.

Bollocks. The US, and particularly the evangelical right, has a terrible track record on any of this. Look how many of them STILL back Trump and his anti Christian views.

I'm just going to clarify that when I use the term evangelical right I don't believe they're actually evangelical in the real sense at all. They look nothing like Jesus and an awful lot like the Pharisees.

When is the vote?

You're confusing a political group with practicing Christians. Look. It. Up. 95%.

What is with lumping me in with trumpers btw? Have I not explained enough times my position on this election? Or is it you just think all Christians in America are Republicans no matter what?

Worship means devotion, pursuit, trust.

The Bible isn't a recipe you can modify. Or a shopping list to pick and choose from. It is all together. And I have made it pretty clear I think independently of political leaders based on my faith, which is what the Bible teaches. First and foremost, my identity is in Christ and His Kingdom. Everything else I identify with is subordinate to that. And I live that out. It's what it means to be a "practicing Christian" as the world calls it... Or a follower of Christ as He said it.

Let's be clear though, if they're corrupt, cheating on their wives, and backstabbing the nation... Then they aren't following Jesus.

Also, to be clear what I said was the data is bad. Even in the US, which should have some of the best data on the world, CA intentionally doesn't report any abortions. And then nations where abortion is illegal are listed with some of the lowest rates... Also not believing that data. Send me a link so I can see what you're looking at.

If you're focusing on abortion then you're picking and choosing.

People have already sent links. Why should US have some of the best data in the world? Maybe try and get out more. The world is far bigger and brighter than just America. Many countries do things better.

Too right. And yet they hold the name evangelical in America. 🤔

But Christians like you limit abortion by banning it - which doesn't work. They refuse to look at places where abortion rates are very low and advocate for replicating the policies that make it low. They don't seem to want excellent healthcare, a good social safety net, high quality sex education (which has been shown to increase the age at which young people first have sex, as opposed to abstinence education which is ineffective). Why do Christians go for prohibition rather than proven policies? Control of women's bodies is the answer.

@Wabash6503 do you approve of the laws which have been implemented in the US in many states following the fall of Roe vs Wade? You know, the laws that forced a pregnant 10 year old to travel to a neighbouring state? The laws that put the lives of women with non-viable pregnancies at risk? Do you approve of the attempts by Republican legislators to ban the MAP?

Why is it that you refuse to accept there is good data on abortions and how you reduce the number? It is precisely those countries where abortion levels are low and abortion is legal (progressive Western democratic countries) where you find the data showing which policies work. I agree that the data from countries where abortion is illegal will be unreliable - for those countries it's better to look at female mortality rates, because as you know, making abortion illegal kills women.

I've just noticed you're a man - that explains a lot.

I think we can safely say Wabash has no interest in other people’s views, despite his claims (and yes @pointythings notice it’s a man….)

At what point does hyjacking a thread to this extent become trolling? @MNHQ? it’s impossible to discuss anything else.

This is a conversation in a political thread on the Internet. Do you think what someone puts on the Internet is all that defines them.as a person? I don't. Regardless of our disagreement, I know there is much more to you than a few sentences on mumsnet... Probably a lot of it we have in common and agree on.

For example, some of my other views... I do think something needs to be done to ensure the that the wealthy continue more to reduce the deficit here in the US, particularly for social security. I also had a soldier that worked for me at my last duty station who had to take have to bring his family to the US because drug cartels threatened their lives. More broadly, drug addiction in the US has destabilized a lot of Central America, and we are responsible for that. So the migrants displaced because of how our addictions have displaced this families means we owe it to them to become citizens of this nation.

We didn't discuss those other issues because all of us collectively went down the abortion rabbit hole. Myself included!

So don't think that is all there is to me, and while I do believe there is a stronger moral component to abortion than those other issues...I am not certainly not picking and choosing which parts of the Bible I choose to follow or ignore.

Because we are the wealthiest nation in the world, with a lot of great technology (that was invented here), and if any nation should be able to get it right, it is the US... But we don't, and then I look at the lists I've found, and... Like I said... The nations listed at the top have kept abortion illegal, so that data simultaneously seems suspect and at odds with what you told me.

Also, I asked for the links because I'm taking your advice and asking for the information that informed your opinion, so I might learn something new. Something you know that I don't.

That's the name given to them by the media and on the Internet. And there certainly are folks out there who can themselves Christians who didn't follow Jesus. People label and people lie... What else is new?

I didn't ban it. I'm not in favor of banning it. For the 8th or 9th time (I've lost count)...I think it's overused and should have reasonable limitations, which I've also explained 3 or 4 times as well. Not blaming you here btw. Multiple conversations in a forum can get messy.

Abstinence education in school is ineffective. Abstinence education in the church is very effective.

I don't keep track of all the laws in the 50 different states. I do post attention to the federal government and my home state of Kansas. Overturning Roe v Wade was a good thing, because the original case relied on due process to grant abortion this, which was terrible to begin with... But also our constitution reserves rights to the individual states and people that aren't expressed in the US Constitution. It's part if what makes America unique and good. That each group of people (that are different from one another) can decide for themselves what laws they want to have based on their values and beliefs. As for Kansas, we're a very conservative state, and even we decided to protect abortion rights... Your idea that I should pay attention to the world find good ideas with the same way with 50 state governments cooking up with unique ways to solve problems in their states, and when something works well in Tennessee, then we can implement it here in Kansas. But we are a nation built on freedom, so it has never gone over week when one person or party tries to try everyone else what to do.

After you challenged my opinion on global abortion data, I went and looked, and the data I found showed nations who kept abortion illegal with some of the lowest abortion rates. I didn't trust that data because you guys told me the data you're looking at said something different. So I've been asking for where you're getting your information from, so I might learn from it as well.

I'm up for a good back and forth on the Internet otherwise I wouldn't be in here with you ladies... But there is no way I'm falling into your trap of about men v women. I'll just take your comment about me being a man, and agree with you. Women are way better! 😉

I'd rather the church (whichever church) keeps the hell out of my and my kids' sex lives, thanks. That mix has been shown to be pretty damn awful. Alongside my unbelief in any God, I also oppose organised religion of any kind. I'm glad my (adult) children are for the most part as irreligious as I am. (One is engaged to a pagan. Paganism I can live with).

I notice you didn't address the question I asked you last night - what would you do if your daughters turned out to be gay? Mine are.

Well recorded abortion rates would be lower where it’s illegal wouldn’t they 😂 not sure the poor women going to backstreet abortion clinics are likely to tick ✅ when asked if they’ve had an abortion are they. Fuck me it’s like speaking to a brick wall.

And yes this is a man vs women issue because you as a man don’t have the same skin in the game.

As I’ve said many times before you don’t ban abortion, you ban safe abortion.

Exactly this. Liberals/progressives don't want there to be more abortions. We want there to be fewer. Where we differ is that we also do not, EVER want a woman to be forced to carry a pregnancy to term against her will. There's a tension between those two aims and no solution can ever be perfect, but the evidence on what achieves the best solutions possible is pretty damn clear.

It isn't imposing more restrictions. It's addressing the cause. And I trust the Democrats on that a hell of a lot more than I do the Republicans.

Disclosure: I do have skin in this game - two of my DC are US citizens.