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Money is pouring in for Kamala Harris as U.S. presidential candidate

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MsAmerica · 24/07/2024 01:34

And I confess myself very surprised.

Kamala Harris' fundraising reaches a record-breaking $100 million since Biden's exit
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/23/fundraising-for-kamala-harris-tops-100-million-shattering-records/74509043007/

Historic flood of cash pours into Harris campaign and allied groups
www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/historic-flood-of-cash-pours-into-harris-campaign-and-allied-groups/ar-BB1qvtCj?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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DefyingGravitas · 29/10/2024 04:16

hamstersarse · 28/10/2024 21:51

Im following the election far too closely, its fascinating!

I genuinely cannot see any appeal of KH, she’s just a nothing. She has no discernible values, spends 90% of her time just slating Trump. And does it in the most ridiculous way that makes her look nasty, and usually a liar too. Those who call him Hitler, I genuinely think are a bit dim, it really has no meaning or basis. It’s just so dumb.

just so dumb

Quite.

DefyingGravitas · 29/10/2024 04:17

Plumpribbon · 27/10/2024 07:38

It is when instead of supporting a candidate that had a chance of beating him, you stumped for Harris.
Then proceeded to try and convince others with ‘vibes’ and ‘joy’.

This thread was started because the OP was astonished how much money was pouring in for Harris. We now know her campaign has spent a billion dollars in the last 3 months and she can’t collect anymore votes than she already gained money ago.

That is deeply embarrassing that the candidate that has spent the most in US history on their campaign, is going to lose to Trump.

This is because of all the fan girl nonsense we had months back instead of holding Harris to account and thus making her stronger.

It’s too late now. The dems know it. Trump knows it. And there were a few posters on here that warned months ago that it would happen.

‘You’

I’ll say it again, who is the you that you think you’re talking to?

DefyingGravitas · 29/10/2024 04:18

Plumpribbon · 27/10/2024 07:38

No not MN. But there are posters who will vote Harris on this thread.

Are you suggesting they should vote for Trump? You’re going to need to actually say it, if that’s what your walls of text are about.

twodowntwotogo · 04/11/2024 16:08

Plumpribbon · 27/10/2024 00:00

Many posters on here highlighted months ago that Harris wasn’t a good enough candidate. I myself stated in this thread that she talks in banalities, hasn’t got clear policies, that it was hubris to get carried away with the excitement and that hard work was needed to overcome her short comings. That pride comes before a fall.
You all shot everybody down that had this measured and reasonable viewpoint.

Posts actually argued that she is articulate and could deliver great speeches. I mean, reading back on these, it’s embarrassing.

You all got carried away. Just like in 2016. You got caught out then and will do so again because you underestimated a person who has already won a presidential campaign and you put your faith in another who is was never going to convince others that she is a leader. You were told ‘joy’ isn’t a reason to vote for someone and still you didn’t listen.

If democrat supporters asked the tough questions of their nominee at the start and expected results, you would be in a much better position. Instead, you covered up for her, deflected, fan-girled and tried to convince others not to see with their eyes and listen with their ears. Just like you all did when you pretended not to see an ailing Biden. Just like you pretended that he was one of the greatest ever presidents in the days after he withdrew from the race.

And now what? now Trump is likely to win the presidency. All because you didn’t listen. You didn’t hold the democrats to account and now they will blame Harris for the loss, even though they knew she was never a good enough candidate to beat Trump in the first place.

This is what happens when you lie to yourself and others. Holding your politicians to account, asking the hard questions is how you get a good enough leader to beat Trump. This is the tale of hubris

Hey - will you come back on here if Harris wins? Seems to be doing pretty well

Zonder · 04/11/2024 17:15

I hope you're right @twodowntwotogo

twodowntwotogo · 04/11/2024 18:53

Zonder · 04/11/2024 17:15

I hope you're right @twodowntwotogo

I really do too. It's very interesting seeing the women 65+ voting for Harris who remember life before Roe v Wade - and probably also remember being groped and leered at by lecherous men like DJT. Looking at the polls from Iowa and Kansas I think the abortion issue is pretty sizeable, as is the tariff issue. And maybe Harris's positivity and appeals for unity have also helped.

XChrome · 04/11/2024 21:33

I hate making predictions, but I'm leaning towards a Harris win. It totally depends on how the undecideds go, which is impossible to predict.
Hillary Clinton was thought to be the sure winner, but then a lot of undecided votes went to Trump. Fingers crossed.

twodowntwotogo · 04/11/2024 22:32

XChrome · 04/11/2024 21:33

I hate making predictions, but I'm leaning towards a Harris win. It totally depends on how the undecideds go, which is impossible to predict.
Hillary Clinton was thought to be the sure winner, but then a lot of undecided votes went to Trump. Fingers crossed.

Clinton was not popular with white women. The difference this time is the repeal of Roe v Wade and the introduction or threat of introduction of draconian abortion laws. Polls seem to be showing an upsurge of white, traditionally Republican older women voting for Harris, and undecideds might go for her on that basis.

Emmanuelll · 05/11/2024 02:03

XChrome · 04/11/2024 21:33

I hate making predictions, but I'm leaning towards a Harris win. It totally depends on how the undecideds go, which is impossible to predict.
Hillary Clinton was thought to be the sure winner, but then a lot of undecided votes went to Trump. Fingers crossed.

Fingers crossed indeed, and everything else 🙏🙏🙏 God help us all if that orange buffoon gets back in the WH. He's as thick as mince.

elprup · 05/11/2024 18:55

It will almost certainly be a Harris win IMO. I’ve thought that since Biden stepped down. She clearly has the momentum and has done for months. If Trump wins I will be shocked!

Emmanuelll · 05/11/2024 20:48

Rory Stewart said he would bet £100k of his own money that it will be Kamala Harris for the win.

Plumpribbon · 06/11/2024 08:21

twodowntwotogo · 04/11/2024 16:08

Hey - will you come back on here if Harris wins? Seems to be doing pretty well

Yes, I’m here

Proving everything I said was correct.

This was hubris. Instead of doing the hard work at the start, and electing a capable candiadate. The democrats will have to do the hard work now. I will also make a further prediction. That the democrats will be out of power for a further 2 election cycles.

Things could have been different, but this is where thinking ‘joy’, creating alarmist narratives and having no policies presented by a sub par candidate gets you. Trump is president. The democrats literally handed it to him.

Plumpribbon · 06/11/2024 08:30

The democrats knew she wasn’t good enough. The Obama’s knew, the Clinton’s knew. Everyone knew.

It looks like she was set up to take the fall. They didn’t want their up and coming stars to have to campaign in an ugly election battle with Trump.

Still, Harris will believe she was good enough and will think she can stand at the next election. There’s no way she will be selected. Maybe then she will realise she was used by the Democrats, effectively as cannon fodder against Trump, who operates like a war machine.

They will argue that they spent over a billion dollars on the campaign, had all the big celebs turn out and will try to blame her or even her supporters for not turning out in big enough numbers.

But it’s not her fault. It was those around her and the nonsense they tried to get everyone to believe that she was capable, even though they didn’t believe it themselves.

kiterunning · 06/11/2024 10:06

@Plumpribbon
Good analysis

dottiehens · 07/11/2024 09:17

Plumpribbon · 06/11/2024 08:30

The democrats knew she wasn’t good enough. The Obama’s knew, the Clinton’s knew. Everyone knew.

It looks like she was set up to take the fall. They didn’t want their up and coming stars to have to campaign in an ugly election battle with Trump.

Still, Harris will believe she was good enough and will think she can stand at the next election. There’s no way she will be selected. Maybe then she will realise she was used by the Democrats, effectively as cannon fodder against Trump, who operates like a war machine.

They will argue that they spent over a billion dollars on the campaign, had all the big celebs turn out and will try to blame her or even her supporters for not turning out in big enough numbers.

But it’s not her fault. It was those around her and the nonsense they tried to get everyone to believe that she was capable, even though they didn’t believe it themselves.

Yes, good points. I saw her speech last night. Was touched by her words and felt sorry for her. They were just hoping for the best I guess . It feels that such results were unexpected for even the Republicans.

KyleJames · 07/11/2024 18:47

Plumpribbon · 06/11/2024 08:30

The democrats knew she wasn’t good enough. The Obama’s knew, the Clinton’s knew. Everyone knew.

It looks like she was set up to take the fall. They didn’t want their up and coming stars to have to campaign in an ugly election battle with Trump.

Still, Harris will believe she was good enough and will think she can stand at the next election. There’s no way she will be selected. Maybe then she will realise she was used by the Democrats, effectively as cannon fodder against Trump, who operates like a war machine.

They will argue that they spent over a billion dollars on the campaign, had all the big celebs turn out and will try to blame her or even her supporters for not turning out in big enough numbers.

But it’s not her fault. It was those around her and the nonsense they tried to get everyone to believe that she was capable, even though they didn’t believe it themselves.

Democrats didn't have a choice because those around Biden hid his cognitive decline as long as possible. By the time it was revealed in the debates, the primaries were over. The only possible way to move on from Biden was to rally behind the Vice President.

They could have had open debates in the Democratic Convention but that would have been very luckily and resulted in a very fractured party right before the election.

Biden should have announced a year ago that he was not going to run for reelection. Then they could have had an open primary and let the voters pick the candidate. Biden didn't do that and left Democrats in a no-win situation.

Biden stepping aside was an honorable thing but it couldn't make up for the problems he caused. I am hesitant to blame him because I am not sure when the cognitive decline sets in if one has the mental capacity left to recognize it.

KyleJames · 07/11/2024 18:48

KyleJames · 07/11/2024 18:47

Democrats didn't have a choice because those around Biden hid his cognitive decline as long as possible. By the time it was revealed in the debates, the primaries were over. The only possible way to move on from Biden was to rally behind the Vice President.

They could have had open debates in the Democratic Convention but that would have been very luckily and resulted in a very fractured party right before the election.

Biden should have announced a year ago that he was not going to run for reelection. Then they could have had an open primary and let the voters pick the candidate. Biden didn't do that and left Democrats in a no-win situation.

Biden stepping aside was an honorable thing but it couldn't make up for the problems he caused. I am hesitant to blame him because I am not sure when the cognitive decline sets in if one has the mental capacity left to recognize it.

Meant "would have been very ugly'.

Cnon · 08/11/2024 04:25

elprup · 05/11/2024 18:55

It will almost certainly be a Harris win IMO. I’ve thought that since Biden stepped down. She clearly has the momentum and has done for months. If Trump wins I will be shocked!

Welp, I guess you're shocked, as Trump won!

Emmanuelll · 08/11/2024 05:48

I heard Scaramucci making an interesting point yesterday that Obama will have to take some responsibility for the rise of Trump in the first place because he physically stopped Biden running in 2016. Had Biden run in 2016, he said, Trump would never have got in the WH in the first place and he thinks it unlikely that another populist would have risen instead. Mind you, I think we all have to admit that the populist politician is proving to be a big problem the world over. I'm not a Tory but I think there are some traditional old school Tory's who would have turned in their graves at the prospect of Boris Johnson being PM.

robovacsareepic · 08/11/2024 18:45

It’s an interesting idea but even with the rise of Hitler, assuming he was the a unique fascist dictator who changed history is a contestable theory - Spain, Italy and Russia having found their own versions. I like Scaramucci though it’s certainly a valid view

EasternStandard · 08/11/2024 18:50

Money did pour in but in the end it didn't get her there.

These pre election threads are a bit off in parts

MsAmerica · 11/11/2024 22:07

Has no one noticed that this three-month-old thread is now mostly irrelevant, and maybe someone should start anew to deal with current aspects?

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