Trump (Part 2)

[claig]

More on the meaning of Trump, the Trumpsters and Trumpism

"Isn't that what Trump is trying to do? "

No. Trump goes straight to the people through social media... What's wrong with that?

"While selling lies in all directions? "

Selling lies appears to be the MSMs job, whatever the Democrats want according to wikileaks.

"Like most of your preferred so called news sites?"

I have a very eclectic mix of preferred news sites, even linking to the Guardian or BBC if they have a good take.

"And you're accusing others? "

Of championing a ridiculous attempt to censor news and opinion yes. Whether labelling wikileaks as fake news or race baiting monologues about fascism, it amounts to the same thing.

"The world really is turning upside down and definitely not in a good way. "

And you wonder why you people keep on losing. :D

it will be a disaster for millions of people and probably for us too as we are so closely linked to the EU economy and it will probably lead to war

And imagining that this can happen, you're rooting for the end of the EU?

FFS
How do you justify it?
Just by hoping it will be OK after all? In which case, what you said about the elites wasn't true?
You're making less sense than usual.

No. Trump goes straight to the people through social media... What's wrong with that?

No, Trump is trying to force the media to publish only what he likes. Have you been paying attention to him at all?

And you wonder why you people keep on losing.

I don't have my people.
And as for losing, it happens all the time in democracy. Populations don't always choose what is best for them and get attracted to populism and demagogy.

From my own field a typical example was the MMR scandal. The results from the bad study spread like wildfire and many chose to believe it. It simply happened that mumps got more frequent and autism stayed the same. Reality catches up opinion at some point.
Like it did the people who have helped put dictators in power. But they only notice it too late.
All the signs are there. And "you people" are blinkered.

Sorry, measles, mostly.

"And as for losing, it happens all the time in democracy. Populations don't always choose what is best for them and get attracted to populism and demagogy.
"

And this is what we are trying, with infinite patience despite many personal slurs, to explain to you.

Trouble is the louder and more important the message the harsher the language of the internal monologue needed to shut it out. Hence all your blather about dictators and demagogues.

This isn't merely as you would like to believe the people making a wrong choice, this is a fundamental step change, a revolution.

You really should listen to claig more. She's been describing it to you but you put your fingers in your eyes and scream dictator rather than listen.

Sorry for bringing this back on (I was rudely interrupted) but, from a quick thread search:

First person to mention fascism: fourmummy.
First person to use the word fascist: claig.
Most number of times claig used the word on a post: at least 3 (from memory).

So, not sure who spin was referring to ealier. Are we getting a little confused?

And this is what we are trying, with infinite patience despite many personal slurs, to explain to you.

Back at you. :)

Your poor deluded self.

"Your poor deluded self."

Clearly remain won the referendum handily and Hillary Clinton is about to be the first female president of the USA.

My, this is a powerful delusion I'm having.

This is no about winning elections.
Your preferred side may win elections (well, so far at rhe electoral college level), but it doesn't make it right.
Some things are changing (it may turn or not into revolutions, as the jury is still out), but it doesn't make them good.
This is what you don't seem to grasp.
You keep using winning as an argument. Why? People can win and be wrong. Many times the winning side is the worst side. (In football and in politics)

We are debating the consequences of a Trump win, as the reasons for it. Not whether he won or not.

How do you think your life is going to be improved by Brexit and/or Donald Trump?

The choice for Education Secretary is, again, pandering to the religious conservative Christians.
I do hope she doesn't tinker with the curricula.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/11/23/betsy-devos-trumps-education-pick-is-a-billionaire-philanthropist-with-deep-ties-to-the-reformed-christian-community/

" You really should listen to claig more. She's been describing it to you but you put your fingers in your eyes and scream dictator rather than listen."

Claig, for all his rhetorical gifts, is not a good source of news. Claig has told us very clearly that this descent into populism is the people's revolution against the elites. This is the language of populism but doesn't actually give us any information except that it is populism. It is designed only to persuade others that Trump/Brexit are good things and to drown out all evidence to the contrary by constant repetition.

Great stuff on the "fake news" Spinflight.

The BBC sent a very posh speaking, probably Oxbridge graduate, to the famous town of Veles in Macedonia to investigate more on the phenomenon of "fake" Trump news yesterday, I kid you not.

It was Monty Python at its finest. She informed the listeners, in worried tones, "now teams of schoolchildren are helping" "theye're bright, they understand computers", apparently there is so much money in Trump news that the entire village is producing it 24 hours night and day.

All the world's journalists are getting taxis to the border town of Veles in Maceonia to investigate the phenomenon. The EU has called a meeting of Foreign Ministers to discuss the village of Veles because the EU hates Trump and this "fake news" website is likely to bring down the EU because Americans love Trump and can't get enough of "fake news" about Trump and Trump doesn't like the EU from all accounts.

Boris Johnson has refused to attend the emergency EU Foreign Ministers' meeting about "fake news" because he says, where will this EU meddling end "thye'll be looking at the BBC next" he says.

Trump's German grnadfather made a fortune in the gold mines of America, but every schoolkid with a smartphone is heading for Macedonia. There's money in them there smart phone bills.

This is the best recollection I have of something similar to how the BBC interview in Veles, Macedonia went:

BBC: Fred, are you Fred?

Fred: Who wants to know? And what if I am? What has Fred done now?

BBC: I don't know what you have done recently Fred, but it's OK, we're not the EU police, we're from the BBC, BBC, Fred, have you heard of us? We want to talk to you about Trump "fake news"

Fred: BBC, yes. Fake news, Oxbridge, yes, I have heard. Trump? Very good man, lots of money, Americans good people, love to hear about Trump? Want news on Trump, they can't get enough. We make lots of money

BBC: That is what I wanted to talk to you about, Fred? How much money?

Fred: Who wants to know? Schoolchildren pay all their taxes.

BBC: Yes, Fred, we are not from Brussels, nothing to do with Juncker. BBC, Fred, BBC.

Fred: BBC. Good people. Thank God for that. People don't like Juncker, nobody interested in reading "fake news" on Juncker. People love Mr Trump, Americans can't get enough.

BBC: Is it true you made more than 200,000 Euros in one night on "fake" Trump news?

Fred: And the rest. Schoolchildren make 200,000 Euros in one night because their English not good, I make much more than that.

BBC: Lots of people in the EU want to come to England, Fred, see BBC and all that. Do you want to come to England?

Fred Fuuuuck Off! I make a fortune in Macedonia thanks to Mr Trump and good American people who love Mr Trump. Although I do like England, I like that Mr Farage, he great man

BBC: We don't like Mr Farage in England, Fred, the Ministry says he is a horrible, horrible man

Fred: You kidding, schoolchildren in Veles loves Mr Farage and the speech he gave to Mr Rumpy at the EU. Schoolchildren all laughed and cheered for England when Mr Farage gave Rumpy a roasting

BBC: We didn't like that speech in England, Fred. Some MPs wanted Farage banned from the country. Back to the "fake news", Fred. How do you do it?

Fred: I take BBC news stories, cut and paste and post

BBC: But how can that be "fake news" then?

Fred: Because I leave out the stuff about Trump is a "white supremacist" and a "fascist", good American people, thirsty for Trump news, don't believe that

BBC: I see, that explains why viewing figures of BBC reports on Trump are so far down in America

Fred: We are starting new "fake news" even bigger than Trump

BBC: What is it, Fred?

Fred: News on Farage and the EU. People in EU love Farage, they can't get enough stories on Farage and the names he calls the EU. People in EU don't like EU and Juncker, they love Farage.

BBC: OMG, this could lead to a people's revolution

Fred: Yes, probably, schoolchildren make lots of money

The BBC reporter then thanked Fred for his input and got straight on the phone to the Ministry.

BBC: I have just spoken to Fred, he is raking it in, and it doesn't look like he is going to stop anytime soon. He says "American people love Mr Trump", "can't get enough of Trump news, thirsty for it"

Minisrty: OMG

BBC: But the worst news is that Fred and the schoolchildren are setting up a "fake news" operation about Farage, Fred says EU people "love Mr Farage"

Minsitry: OMG, this could lead to a people's revolution.

At which point the BBC reporter emailed over to the Ministry a breaking news photo of Farage with Trump in a gold elevator at Trump Tower in Manhattan, Farage grinning like a cheshire cat and Trump giving a thumbs up

Ministry: Is this picture "fake news"? Is it something that Fred has done in Macedonia? Is it the schoolchidren mucking about?

BBC: No, I'm afraid it is real. It is breaking across all the news stations in America, the ones Trump calls "a room full of liars"

Ministry: OMG! We're fucked. It's a people's revolution. Farage has done it again!

and the phoneline went dead.

The rest is history.

Would you have been convinced if the reporter had gone to a different university, and had dropped some aitches?

Or was Steve Bannon?

Or if Trump had tweeted about it at 3am?

I'm just going to repost this again while we're on the subject, as it's not from Oxbridge or Macedonia:

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs" target="_blank">http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs

"The people wanted to hear this," he says. "So all it took was to write that story. Everything about it was fictional: the town, the people, the sheriff, the FBI guy. And then ... our social media guys kind of go out and do a little dropping it throughout Trump groups and Trump forums and boy it spread like wildfire."

Lol!

Yeah, the cognitive dissonance is strong...

Hillary can't possibly have lost the election unless some kid in Macedonia rigged it by claiming that the Pope had endorsed Trump.

If it wasn't so chillingly sinister in it's likely effects ( which I rather suspect some of our curiously out of touch friends on here would support) it would be even funnier.

" Yeah, the cognitive dissonance is strong.."

You said it.

Spinflight, how are you hoping your life will be improved when Trump becomes president, and when we leave the EU?

gosh, you have an interesting fantasy life Claig

But it's the only avenue the mainstream media have.

They can't accept that the overwhelming power of the establishment was defeated. Unless they reason someone else was playing the same tricks.

It's rather sweet and pathetic at the same time, I mean massively funded newspapers and media networks are basically telling us they were beaten by a kid in Macedonia with a nokia.

Admittedly I can barely fathom the depths of gullibility needed to believe the story but I suppose when you have nothing else you cling to whatever shred of evidence that eases your pain.

It was fake news wot won it!

rape is rape and it is a horrific crime no matter who the perpetrators are

Oh Jeez here we go again with the wishy-washy bullshit. You do recall, dont you Squishy, that it was primarily the Guardian who sat on the news of the Cologne attacks for 3 days, and even after that there were no editorials emanating from its portals for a long time.

"those migrants didn't invent rape."
Oh dear, faulty thinking again which sounds awfully like "dreadful, but the wimmin were out at night weren't they?". This type of attack was unprecedented across Europe and perpetrated by migrants. It does not matter if they had been in the country for a month or a year, the molestation, rapes and robberies were coordinated by men who share a set of values, culture and culture.

It was an organised attack across several cities and countries. I think Finland had wind of it and managed to take action.

As to certain sites that seem to upset you, I look at all sites and not just a narrow band.

'gosh, you have an interesting fantasy life Claig'

I heard it on the BBC, OhYouBadKitten, straight outta Oxbridge. Are you saying the BBC is "fake news"? Millions would agree with you, but I wouldn't.