Trump (Part 2)

[claig]

More on the meaning of Trump, the Trumpsters and Trumpism

I don't mean to speak for anyone and I might be wrong but I don't think she was infering your support for fascism, fourmummy. Just that we keep getting accused by spin of talking about fascism, when (like a lot of spin's accusations) we are doing nothing of the sort.

You think the authorities were right to ignore repeated reports of child sexual abuse for so long, Spin? I genuinely didn't think what I wrote was in any way controversial, but there you go.

'but what are SPADs, Claig? I've been wondering for ages....'

Special Advisrs, a bunch of Oxbridge graduates on the gravy train. Most of them are straight outta Oxbridge, never worked in a real job, spotted and fastracked by the elites whilst at Oxbridge, trained in how to spin and the best hand gestures to use, selected only if they pass the "groupthink" entrance test, and started on the "career politician" ladder by advising MPs etc.

I think Ed Sillyband was one of them, Camoron and probably most of the rest.

Basically, SPADs are our best and brightest, which is why we are in such a mess and why all these idiots insult Trump on twitter where he can look at the insults at his leisure.

They ignored it for fear of being accused or racism and raising racial tensions squishy.

I couldn't even accuse you of not reading the reports as it is patently obvious you have chosen to depict those poor girl's plight in a way that ignores the issue.

Children were raped repeatedly and it was covered up by the very people charged to protect them because multiculturalism and political correctness was more important to them than the girl's safety.

I am disgusted and appalled that anyone would try to spin such heinous crimes.

Did you think I wasn't blaming the men spin? Because believe me I was. They are disgusting individuals who were rightly found guilty and punished when the case (finally) made it to court. But the systemic failures can't be ignored, or we risk it happening again. And from the numerous sex abuse scandals that have made the news recently I do get the impression that there is a culture of (at best) turning a blind eye to men abusing women and children.

"Children were raped repeatedly and it was covered up by the very people charged to protect them because multiculturalism and political correctness was more important to them than the girl's safety."

And if that isn't an example of deep-rooted sexism and misogeny then what is, Spin?

It would be good, but incredibly optimistic, to think that the sheer common sense of this article might sink in with Trump.

And I am not trying to spin anything. I am sick of people trying to exploit victims of sexual assault to make cheap, political points. Especially when those same people don't give a shit about crimes that don't support their argument.

Sorry, I should have clarified that that's an article about Trump's stated intention to increase the US's use of torture.

Placing cultural sensitivities above the safety of women and girls is sexism South. That was the point I was making that Spin objected to so strongly.
And "bum-boys" sounds homophobic - is that how you meant it?
And the men in your family may be lovely, but not all the men in your culture are.

Squishy - Are you aware of how long it has taken for the authorities to recognise Forced Marriage,usually to first cousins - endemic in the muslim communities? It's the same attitude of not wanting to upset them and the multicultural dream of the Regressive Left.

Maajid Nawaz actually coined that phrase and it is spot on.

"It is used to describe a section of left-wing politics that is accused of paradoxically holding reactionary views by its tolerance of illiberal principles and ideologies _for the sake of multiculturalism and cultural relativism."

If something is wrong, causes damage or is unlawful then it is so for EVERYONE. If there is no cohesion in this fundamental principle, then we do not have a country.

"Placing cultural sensitivities above the safety of women and girls is sexism South."

No, it is not sexism per se. It is political expediency all for the dream of multiculturalism.

" I think some of you will have to accept that some cultural attitudes & values which are so deeply ingrained in the menfolk cannot co-exist in Europe; they will always seek dominance."

Which is why we have over 30 Sharia councils in the UK. How is that even possible?
We have UK law. Thats it. Live in the UK live under UK laws. How do Sharia Councils even justify their existance, if not to challenge and seek dominance over the UKs own laws and cultural beliefs.

"If something is wrong, causes damage or is unlawful then it is so for EVERYONE. If there is no cohesion in this fundamental principle, then we do not have a country."

Yes. I have never said anything to indicate that I disagree with this. I am not here to defend those who place women and girls at the bottom of a long list of priorities. They are indefensible.

There is not a binary choice between being Islamophobic and colluding with sexual assault though.

Ignoring the cultural reasons for crimes is a mistake, but blaming everything on Immigrants is not going to help anyone either.

Southall, hard to see you really care about the sexual assault of women as anything other than a political point given you support Trump, a self-avowed sexual abuser.

I saw this on twitter, v. funny
Trump "I grab women by the pussy"
Women "yeah, he did that to me"
Trump "this is a conspiracy"

"And "bum-boys" sounds homophobic "

In that case you can substitute with chai boys, but in the political sense of course. Do you know about the real chai boys, tea boys, comfort boys, Squishy? A mainstay is some cultures. And you think that that would work in Europe, do you?

I'm not here to defend Sharia courts either Chris. Although they do not take precedence over the Courts, and you are being misleading if you imply that they are.

I don't know if you guys think that everyone "Left wing" (i.e not far right) share exactly the same principles and values, because we don't.

And yes, Southall, putting the safety of woman and girls at the bottom of a list of priorities is sexism. Sacrificing women and girls for political expediency is also sexism.

My positive take on Trump from last week was his cutting through the meally mouthed bs ( BBC saying that "critics called Castro a dictator" and Justin Trudeau just being Justin) by pointing out that Castro was in truth a dictator : maybe the likes of the BBC will be shamed into being more truthful!

I still think he's an obvious jerk but maybe he'll turn out to be a useful one.

(I also am aware of the positive indices on health, literacy and income equality in Cuba ...)

"And you think that that would work in Europe, do you?"

Unfortunately, that sort of thing has happened in Europe yes.

Exactly, Aloysha. I can't remember who said it, and don't have time to find the quote but someone on this thread basically said (paraphrasing heavily ) "Who cares what Trump says or does to women? He is going to save America!"

Frosty - bit of pot calling kettle black in his case. Let's hope Trump doesn't match Castro's corruption.

And while it's true there were positive indicators on health etc. while Castro was in power, the rest of South America improved much more quickly - Chile for example, which is now a democracy with better indices than Cuba.

Sorry, Donald Trump may be a blowhard cartoon tycoon but he's hardly like Castro!

Trump's continuing twitter rampage just gets weirder.

Remember guys, he can launch a Nuclear strike. If he can't deal with twitter trolls how is he going to deal with Russia/China when they disagree with him? Or he reads what they say about him behind closed doors?

Castro had an ideology, and used Cuba for self-enrichment (bit like Putin), Trump will just use the USA for self enrichment, if we're lucky. If we're not lucky he'll cause a global nuclear exchange and/or world war.