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If someone claimed to be the Son of God today…

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Nutcracks · 13/12/2024 22:46

If someone claimed today all the things that Jesus did/said, would you believe them?

Curious about how people would respond in today’s world.

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AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:38

stargazerlil · 14/12/2024 21:29

Because these days anyone in the know knows that the son of god, was the sun that was worshipped before Christianity.
anyone in the know knows that we are all god.

We are most definitely not gods ourselves. There is no 'being in the know' that you speak of. God made everything in creation. We are unable to do that ourselves.

AgileGreenSeal · 14/12/2024 21:40

Reallybadidea · 14/12/2024 19:52

Thanks for your reply, but I don't really feel that answers my question. How does God speak to you specifically? You recognise him because you know him, but how did you know it was him the first time he spoke to you? Can you give an example of a time that he's spoken to you and how he did it?

Also, you didn't explain what you meant by this "His Spirit consistently bears witness with my spirit that I am His and that what I read in scripture is reliable."

The Spirit communicates with my spirit. That’s where I hear Him speaking, not audibly with my ears but inaudibly in my spirit, and it’s just as clear. It is always unmistakably Him. Sometimes it’s an impression conveying a particular message, other times it’s distinct words. Often it’s a confirmation through an inner “yes” to a particular scripture. Often He draws my attention to something, perhaps in scripture, perhaps something else and then goes on to speak to me.

His words are often intensely personal and include directions and commands. Sometimes He will give me a word of knowledge in a particular situation, which is usually for the benefit of another person.

There are many examples I could give of when He told me to do something or to go somewhere.

Many are deeply personal and not something I’d care to share but one that’s not in that category was the time He told me to join a particular college course. I looked up the prospectus but it showed there was no crèche available, which was an essential requirement for me and which had already been agreed with Him would be necessary. He still told me to sign up for it. I protested “but there’s no crèche”. He told me to phone them anyway. So of course I did and when I spoke to the receptionist I mentioned that I really needed a crèche but noticed they didn’t have one. And she said, “no, no, we actually do. The information in the prospectus is a misprint”. That’s just one very simple example out of 43 years of this relationship.

There are many scriptures which mention the communication of the Spirit. Here’s one which is particularly in regard to a Christian’s new status as a child of God -

For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.”
Romans 8:14-16
(’Abba’ is Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke, for ‘Father’)

Parker231 · 14/12/2024 21:41

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 14:45

So if you accept you are a sinner and want to repent, and believe that Jesus died for your sins on the Cross, then you will be saved from eternal death and given life via the blood of Jesus shed for you. To be saved means an eternity with God in his Kingdom on the new Earth.

I’m not a sinner but am an atheist- wonder where I’ll end up🤣. Although I don’t agree with the concept of a sin - it’s just a control mechanism to try and scare people.

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 21:43

Sorry, but still wondering why God just didnt spread his word worldwide?

Parker231 · 14/12/2024 21:44

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:36

The lake of fire.

Which is what?

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:44

@AgileGreenSeal I do wish I could hear in the same way you do, but then you have been a Christian for a lot longer than I have and no doubt have spent much time in the scriptures and prayer. Occasionally there is 'something' that I'd say was the Holy Spirit nudging me, but nothing beyond that. Yet.

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 21:45

AgileGreenSeal · 14/12/2024 21:40

The Spirit communicates with my spirit. That’s where I hear Him speaking, not audibly with my ears but inaudibly in my spirit, and it’s just as clear. It is always unmistakably Him. Sometimes it’s an impression conveying a particular message, other times it’s distinct words. Often it’s a confirmation through an inner “yes” to a particular scripture. Often He draws my attention to something, perhaps in scripture, perhaps something else and then goes on to speak to me.

His words are often intensely personal and include directions and commands. Sometimes He will give me a word of knowledge in a particular situation, which is usually for the benefit of another person.

There are many examples I could give of when He told me to do something or to go somewhere.

Many are deeply personal and not something I’d care to share but one that’s not in that category was the time He told me to join a particular college course. I looked up the prospectus but it showed there was no crèche available, which was an essential requirement for me and which had already been agreed with Him would be necessary. He still told me to sign up for it. I protested “but there’s no crèche”. He told me to phone them anyway. So of course I did and when I spoke to the receptionist I mentioned that I really needed a crèche but noticed they didn’t have one. And she said, “no, no, we actually do. The information in the prospectus is a misprint”. That’s just one very simple example out of 43 years of this relationship.

There are many scriptures which mention the communication of the Spirit. Here’s one which is particularly in regard to a Christian’s new status as a child of God -

For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.”
Romans 8:14-16
(’Abba’ is Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke, for ‘Father’)

Why doesnt he do this with everyone?

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:46

Parker231 · 14/12/2024 21:44

Which is what?

Possibly exactly as it sounds, or maybe something like a fiery star, who knows. Not somewhere I'd want to be. It's nothing on this Earth anyway.

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:47

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 21:43

Sorry, but still wondering why God just didnt spread his word worldwide?

Well, He has actually done so! Via us humans. His Gospel has been spread to very distant lands from where it first originated.

Parker231 · 14/12/2024 21:48

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:46

Possibly exactly as it sounds, or maybe something like a fiery star, who knows. Not somewhere I'd want to be. It's nothing on this Earth anyway.

I’m not going anywhere other than staying on Earth - same as everyone else do nothing to worry about!

stargazerlil · 14/12/2024 21:48

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:38

We are most definitely not gods ourselves. There is no 'being in the know' that you speak of. God made everything in creation. We are unable to do that ourselves.

No, your wrong. everything comes from source, but we are from that source and we do the creating when we get here.

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:49

stargazerlil · 14/12/2024 21:48

No, your wrong. everything comes from source, but we are from that source and we do the creating when we get here.

Sounds like gibberish to me!

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 21:49

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:47

Well, He has actually done so! Via us humans. His Gospel has been spread to very distant lands from where it first originated.

No it hasnt. Why are there missionaries if it has?

stargazerlil · 14/12/2024 21:50

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:49

Sounds like gibberish to me!

That’s because you don’t know.

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:50

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 21:49

No it hasnt. Why are there missionaries if it has?

The Gospel has been spread worldwide. Humans are born and die so new generations come along, missionaries keep spreading that word and reinforcing it for as long as God wants.

Werecat · 14/12/2024 21:50

ouch321 · 14/12/2024 09:50

This was explored in a drama on one of the streamers which I watched a year or so back. Set in America. Trying to recall the name...

Messiah.

it was really good.

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:51

stargazerlil · 14/12/2024 21:50

That’s because you don’t know.

Well enlighten me then, but you'll have to be a bit clearer and more logical in your explanation.

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 21:53

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:50

The Gospel has been spread worldwide. Humans are born and die so new generations come along, missionaries keep spreading that word and reinforcing it for as long as God wants.

But if God is everwhere why do you need missionaries. Surely god would be capable of making him known everywhere?

Parker231 · 14/12/2024 21:53

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:51

Well enlighten me then, but you'll have to be a bit clearer and more logical in your explanation.

There is no scientific evidence that god ever existed or has done anything so I’ll carry on regardless.

Falalaalalalalaaaah · 14/12/2024 21:56

Wurlywurly · 13/12/2024 23:06

But that's why he was killed. For claiming to be the son of God.

Did Jesus claim to be the son of god though…

not everyone believes that…

that’s a point of faith, no historical fact.

then there’s the reason for his actual execution, that’s not that he was the son of god but because he was preaching of the kingdom of heaven and Jewish escatolology which didnt mean good things for the Roman Empire. He was basically executed for treason. (Read a few scholarly books on the historical Jesus)

Falalaalalalalaaaah · 14/12/2024 21:56

Werecat · 14/12/2024 21:50

Messiah.

it was really good.

Yessss, gutted this was cancelled

stargazerlil · 14/12/2024 21:57

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:51

Well enlighten me then, but you'll have to be a bit clearer and more logical in your explanation.

Source is light energy, which is what humans refer to as god.
when we are not being human , what’s people call dead we are that energy.
when we are being human we are manifested energy, ergo we are god manifested.

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:57

Parker231 · 14/12/2024 21:53

There is no scientific evidence that god ever existed or has done anything so I’ll carry on regardless.

Your choice!

fashionqueen0123 · 14/12/2024 21:57

AgileGreenSeal · 14/12/2024 21:40

The Spirit communicates with my spirit. That’s where I hear Him speaking, not audibly with my ears but inaudibly in my spirit, and it’s just as clear. It is always unmistakably Him. Sometimes it’s an impression conveying a particular message, other times it’s distinct words. Often it’s a confirmation through an inner “yes” to a particular scripture. Often He draws my attention to something, perhaps in scripture, perhaps something else and then goes on to speak to me.

His words are often intensely personal and include directions and commands. Sometimes He will give me a word of knowledge in a particular situation, which is usually for the benefit of another person.

There are many examples I could give of when He told me to do something or to go somewhere.

Many are deeply personal and not something I’d care to share but one that’s not in that category was the time He told me to join a particular college course. I looked up the prospectus but it showed there was no crèche available, which was an essential requirement for me and which had already been agreed with Him would be necessary. He still told me to sign up for it. I protested “but there’s no crèche”. He told me to phone them anyway. So of course I did and when I spoke to the receptionist I mentioned that I really needed a crèche but noticed they didn’t have one. And she said, “no, no, we actually do. The information in the prospectus is a misprint”. That’s just one very simple example out of 43 years of this relationship.

There are many scriptures which mention the communication of the Spirit. Here’s one which is particularly in regard to a Christian’s new status as a child of God -

For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.”
Romans 8:14-16
(’Abba’ is Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke, for ‘Father’)

When you mention something of a practical nature like that college story, what do you mean when you say he told you to sign up, and then to phone them? Do you mean you heard a voice in your head? I don’t understand. I have read similar stories but I am not sure what people mean.

Parker231 · 14/12/2024 21:58

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 21:57

Your choice!

I’ll stick with fact rather than fiction