God is the creator so who created god

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I’ll nail my colors to the mast first….. I’m not a believer but I also know currently science does not have all the answers to the origins of life

However

I have known Christian’s who believe in god because it answers the two questions we can’t yet answer - where did we come from and what happens when we die

of comfort is gained from that then fine.

however none had got anything plausible to say to the answer to the thread title - if god created us then who created god. It just pushes the unknown back one step in the chain.

God is not a creature. God is pure spirit and the source of all "beingness".

God’s not real

God is not a person, he is a belief.

But where does that come from? You haven't answered the question you've kicked the can down the road like all Christian apologetics seems to do.

So what you’re asking OP is if God is merely another step in the causal chain, what caused God?

The question itself is slightly confused because the assertion of an uncaused cause, a prime mover or foundation of being is that all of them are the assertion of a logically necessary unidentified being that is ex-temporal. The notion of infinite does not mean extends forever in time, but means outside of time.

the point of the assertion is to avoid the inevitable fall into: if x caused y, what caused x? It is not the suggestion that the God I believe in must be the prime mover, but (as Aquinas put it) there must be a prime mover, itself unmoved, and this all men call God.

It was not an assertion that based on the God of revelation being real therefore He is also the prime mover. It’s rather the other way around: the prime mover is a logical necessity unless we wish to deny causalit. Since we don’t deny causality we must therefore posit the cause of an potential for causation itself as well as the first cause, and therefore this being that we can identify in some quality we call God.

the argument that God is one, true, beautiful and good is an argument that the being called God has a series of analogous qualities (that are transcendental) that are identified through the necessary realities of being (at least as envisaged by Aristotle and Aquinas- things get a bit confused imo if you move into analytic metaphysics because being doesn’t admit of analysis in the same way as other subjects because there is no specific difference to analyse).

Well as you said yourself science cannot answer the question of the origin of life but you expect randoms on the internet to give you the answer to "life, the universe and everything".
Science attempts to answer the "how"? Religion attempts to answer "why"?
Science is also not incompatible with religion. As Catholics we believe all Truth comes from God and therefore embrace science and education. Many universities have Catholic foundations, including Oxford and Cambridge.
The theory of the Expanding Universe and The Big Bang are those of a Catholic Priest and Professor, Georges LeMaitre.
www.amnh.org/learn-teach/curriculum-collections/cosmic-horizons-book/georges-lemaitre-big-bang
But science cannot explain everything, its one form of knowing and understanding.

Your question, as I'm sure you're aware, is unanswerable. Those of faith don't need an answer, that's the whole meaning of faith. I suppose it boils down to God being outside time and space as we know it. Eternal, everlasting, without beginning or end, the Alpha and Omega, first and last. It is beyond human comprehension.

Man created God.

My answer is based on what I learnt at school. The same teacher, Mrs Conway, taught both Religious Education and Classical Studies.

Looking at Homer and other material in Classics, Mrs Conway would point out what we can learn or derive from the people alive in classical time from what we know about their gods.

In RE, Mrs Conway would on the surface toe the school's line about Christianity and subtly also draw out the same insights about the characters in the bible.

The subject set for the project in that class (set out in a report, which turned into a nearly five thousand word essay) was to design a religion and explain your reasoning, confirmed my opinion that it is people who create religions.

This approach makes sense of the way many religions share very similar characteristics and shows the interesting impacts of some of the differences.

The religion I designed is obvs. better than all the others.

It's "turtles all the way down", or gods all the way up. Your preference really.

I'm a firm believer in the concept of infinite knowledge...

@erikbloodaxe Then what/who created man? Where did the elements needed for the big bang come from?

It, whatever it is cannot be described or labelled. Through language I've heard it called the infinite, immutable, the absolute.

Once you imagine it too be anything, you have created an illusion and therefore it cannot be real.

Intellect takes you to the door but it doesn't take you into the house.

Read a science book, watch Brian Cox

@Mysticguru That seems a very short sighted view. Why must anything that can't be explained or proven be an illusion? Do you believe the wind is just an illusion because you can't see it? What about emotions? You can't prove what love or hate is. The question of "Who created God?" is like asking "What does blue smell like? or "What noise does silence make?".

@Hillsidehigh I have watched Professor Cox many times, but even he isn't omniscient.

There are many unanswerable question; and mostly they are ones to which we will never find the answers.

My view on it is to embrace the not knowing and simply live kindly. Only one life and you cannot spend it trying to answer the unanswerable.

The law of parsimony means that moving the goalposts by introducing a superfluous factor i.e. a creator, to explain the universe’s creation, is logically unsound.

You either accept the universe came about without cause or apply the same to the creator, but muddy the waters by hand waving it away.

It is very human to think everything has a beginning and an end, just as we can’t comprehend 4 dimensional space.

It's a story it's not real. People like to believe In that story because it brings them comfort

you expect randoms on the internet to give you the answer to "life, the universe and everything".

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What story do you mean?

The origin of god is self awareness

it is just an idea & one that you cannot access without awareness

This. See also the afterlife. These are all concepts various human tribes have independently arrived at to explain their world or rationalise certain concepts. It soothes a person’s suffering and feeling of loss to know that the universe has a plan, or Creator that made things just so. And that karmic balance and eternal bliss or damnation is the end game for all creatures.

How exactly does someone reach this level of self awareness?

@Liebig I find that quite patronising. A lot of people seem to assume that, Christians in particular, are like sheep; blindly following a rigid belief system and never stopping to question it or consider the bigger picture. Personally, it is because I'm always asking questions that I am a 'believer'. Being a Christian does not make life easier, sometimes the opposite in fact.

The irony of using the “s” word can’t be lost on you, surely.

None of which refutes the fact that these religions came about throughout history to explain the very same concepts, from animism to Scientology. They all share the same core of explaining in human terms an indifferent universe.

Whether you follow the Bible or Koran of tribal elder teachings to the T is another matter. You can be both Christian and realise the Earth isn’t <7,000 years old. The key teachings from Christ are basically “don’t be shit”, even if the science is all, well, wrong.

No one is forming theories about the formation of celestial bodies based on Buddha’s way of dealing with resolving inner turmoil. Likewise, no Abrahamic religion should be full of followers today literally taking it at face value on things we know not to be true. The moral code is what is important.