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This is a VERY sensitive subject, I know, but I am curious to know just how big a problem this is

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 13/09/2006 20:40

How many people on here have been assaulted/raped and have either reported or not reported it?

I found out that the conviction rate rapes was just 6% . 6% of reported rapes. There are many many many more that go unreported. I want to know roughly what kind of figure we are looking at. Please change your name if need be, but do post.....

I'll start..

Me - unreported.

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expatinscotland · 14/09/2006 15:29

The friend who came to my place after my incident, the one who took the bloke home from a club? Well, after he did that to her, he rang up her later on and asked her out!

The guy who took me gave me this monster hickey. I was wearing polo necks in hot Texas September.

He had the nerve to stroke my inner thigh gently and whisper, 'Sorry if that was sore.'

NappiesGalore · 14/09/2006 16:45

ok, have read a bit more of this thread now, and i think its pretty obvious that we should all be talking about this stuff a lot more. jst about everyone is keeping quiet about it, mostly always have done. no-one seems to wamt to upset anyone by talking about it, as if the world will end just by saying it. and we are all to ashamed to atlk about it too, and thats just plain stupid really. I AM NOT CRITISIZING any of us, i just think that if we all, as a society, were forced to realise the vast scale of the problem, then maybe we could change it.

i could write passionately on the subject for an age longer, but ds1 who is inexplicably going through a sudden separation anxiety stage has decided he needs my attention. yes, now!

somebody else said (i paraphrase) that we are defined by our whole experience of life, not by one event. i believe that too.

i personally refuse to give any of the 3 men who hurt me the power to keep doing so... why should we let them hurt us every day by keeping it inside and carrying around the pain?

its a very complex issue. theres much to say.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/09/2006 16:50

Absolutely NappiesGalore.

Domestic Violence still happens, but its very much an out in the open subject now, and not so much deemed as "private marital business" anymore.

Laws and legislation has been improved to tackle it, and there is much less stigma for the victims now, and less protection for the offenders.

The same has happened with drink driving, race related crimes, etc

I'd like to see the same kind of thing happen with rape and sexual assualts.

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livelife · 14/09/2006 16:58

Blimey 479 postings in a day & half! clearly a big subject, am really shocked. I had lots of unwanted 'touchin' etc as child but by boys my ageish. was raped by bf when 15 while his best friend masturbated next to us. didn't report. exh raped me last year as punishment for adultery. f*kwit. had counselling for bf rape but not until 10yrs later. was largely my secret. have got fantastic soft gentle dp now. could cry with difference that makes.

ssd · 14/09/2006 16:59

so very sorry for all posters who have been raped/abused.

me never - thank God

essbee · 14/09/2006 17:01

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intergalacticwalrus · 14/09/2006 17:01

probably really late to this, but I was assaulted when I was 20 by someone I had known since childhood, and who was the head of the local primary school. I reported it, but the police were so fucking unbelieving that I ended up dropping the charges as they kept saying they "didn't have enough evidence"

He is still walking the streets, he is still teching impressionable children and forming relationships with them, and waiting until they are old enough. The whole thing makes me sick.

Kaz33 · 14/09/2006 17:02

Me, never

NappiesGalore · 14/09/2006 17:07

expat - the second bloke who did it to me diod that too; called me about a week later to ask me out!?
hthe 'incident' BTW involved him (a drug dealer i had never met) meeting my friend and i in a club. we were 16, he was 20odd. we thought we were sooo sophisticated. he offered us ecstacy, our first, and we took it. he gave half as much to my friend as he gave to me. for the next few hours we all sat in one spot in that club while he kept feeding us drugs. never having taken anything but spliff before, i had; 2 ekkys, lsd, a couple of grams of speed, dropped constantly into my tea, poppers, and god knows what else. by the time the club was closing i didnt even know i existed, let alone was able to make any decisions. i could barely walk or see. he took us home in a cab, dropped off my friend on the way and then kept me in his hostel room for 2 or 3 days, constantly topping up my drug addled brain and screwing me in a most uncomfortable fashion. he didnt let me leave the room more than once. eventually my dad tracked me down (hurrah!! my pal had clocked the phone number of a mate of his while we were at the club and he found me that way) and came and got me.
i felt like a thoroughly dirty little slag, and tested for std's and hiv, expecting to be positive (he was bloody gross man) but was ok.
i didnt have the confidence to even try to stop a thing like that happening anyway... after the first rape not long before (which i buried and wasnt even aware of at that stage!) i had no self esteem and i 'knew' that men who wanted it would take it anyway, so it was easier to just give it up. there were a lot of other 'partners' like that; ones i 'consented' to because i wanted to be liked or didnt feel i had the right to say no to, or just assumed theyd do it anyway so just let it happen.

none of this is unique. its the experience of a lot of us.

my mother is a vociferous feminist. she brought me up to believe i was equal and able to do whatever i wanted and be whoever i wanted... somehow that message never really got across obv because i treated myself like dirt and allowed many others to as well. we need to talk to our daughters, specifically not vaguely. i know you dont want to scare them or upset them, but please arm them against these predators. i never told my mum, not till after the street attack, when i finally told her about the others. i thought it would hurt her too much, so instead i 'prtected' her by keeping quiet.

we cant do that any more. it only gives them power they dont deserve. i think a lot of them dont even have any idea how much they hurt us.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/09/2006 17:10

In the open as in "hot topic" in the public eye, on goverment agendas etc. Laws and police procedures have improved drastically (not necessarily uniformly, I would agree) over the years wrt to this.

Im aware that there is still much that goes on behind closed doors that we will never know about. The point is - its very much "in the public interest/eye"

Rape and assaults - when they are made public - instantly people doubt the circumstances/victim.

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PeachyClairHasBadHair · 14/09/2006 17:10

Well said Ex-Pat.

I only have boys, but cer6tainly the no menas no message has already beeen dropped in answer to specific questions, and will be elaborated upon all the way until they have the message firmly implanted

katierocket · 14/09/2006 17:11

OMG NappiesGalore you poor poor thing. I can't begin to imagine how horrendous that was.

katierocket · 14/09/2006 17:12

NappiesGalore - didn't he get arrested - surely that's kidnap? what did you dad do?

NappiesGalore · 14/09/2006 17:12

and i agree that DV needs the same sort of communication too.

actually, i think that all of the worlds ills can be solved with good effective communication. its obviously more complicated than that on a specific level, but thats the crux of it.

PeachyClairHasBadHair · 14/09/2006 17:13

(sorry nappies glaore- not expat, addled brain)

My Mum also of the you never HAVE to do it, give as good as you get feminist persuasion. First time I was assaulted (by the SN man) I was at a bus stop in the early morning, and it was watched by a lot of people who just stared. I only got away because I knee'd him in the boll*&ks. He stll used to come up to me in town before I left last year, trying to apologise- Dh threatened to run him over once

NappiesGalore · 14/09/2006 17:16

i dont actually know what my dad did. i was told to wait outside in the corridor with his then-girlfriend, and he went into the room for a few minutes, came out and we went.

to them, you see, i was just being a wild teenager. i guess they thought i was up for whatever had been going on. they were worried to death and just happy to get me back.

Molesworth · 14/09/2006 17:17

What really angers me is that I am going to appear in court soon as a witness for a neighbour of mine who has been charged with assault by his ex boyfriend. The police attended the incident (and an ambulance) and there wasn't a mark on this bloke, plus dp and I saw him laughing and joking in the street after it had happened. Yet somehow this is going to court. Whereas my dd, who was sexually abused by a family "friend" for almost two years, who was brave enough to tell us about it and to give a detailed video interview to the police about it ... nothing happens. "Not enough evidence" we are told. Yet the incident with my neighbour is going to court, despite there being not a shred of evidence to support the charge.

The police told me that if it had gone to court the defence barrister would be likely to attempt to discredit dd. Wtf kind of world do we live in where a defence barrister attempts to discredit the evidence of a child who has been abused?

Sorry, just needed to rant

Dottydot · 14/09/2006 17:18

This thread is just so terrible in terms of everyone's experiences. I feel very lucky that nothing like this has ever happened to me.

It really makes me think that we have to pass on to our daughters escape strategy tactics and to have the strength and courage of their convictions around saying no when they're unsure and if possible how to get out of potentially scary situations, and also having the confidence to know it's not their fault if anything awful like this ever happens.

Just as much it's teaching our sons to have respect for girls and women. That no means no, whatever the circumstance. As a mother of sons this will stay with me and lessons about boundaries, appropriateness and respect need to be reinforced throughout their childhood and adolescence.

All much easier said than done - but how else can we go about changing what looks like a horrific under the surface situation of huge numbers of unreported assaults and rapes.

katierocket · 14/09/2006 17:18

molesworth

NappiesGalore · 14/09/2006 17:19

no-one ever asked

my friend from that night(dads then-girlfrinds dd) asked me while brushing my hair if i'd used condoms. when i shook my head she said 'oh nappies' pityingly.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/09/2006 17:19

I had the phone call a few weeks later, asking me out. The night it happened - he was a "gentleman" and insisted on walking me home after.

In fact the one that was violent and kept me locked in his room, rang me up a week later to wonder why I hadnt been around, and pleaded with me to come around and "talk" about it.

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NappiesGalore · 14/09/2006 17:21

well said dotty.

ouch molesworth. that is a sick sick state of affairs, i agree.

NappiesGalore · 14/09/2006 17:23

VVV - its sad too, how these people seem to convince themselves that what they are doing is normal... wtf are they thinking???

enjoyfreedom · 14/09/2006 17:30

this should prob be new thread but i'd like opinion about 27yr man in authority 'pillar of society figure' who also has responsibility for 15-18 youth group. he slept with 16yr girl from youth group in secret (often). he thinks it was ok cos she was 16 not underage. she thought it was bloody brilliant to bed authority figure she had crush on. please advise. am i over reacting?

NappiesGalore · 14/09/2006 17:35

well, i personally think any person over 20 who wants to have a sexual relationship with someone as young as 16 is apredator. obv the level of hurt being caused (in the short or longer term) varies on the people/circumstanves involved, but why cant he just accept that 16 is too bloody young and move on to someone who can think for themselves??

at 16, we all think we know everything, but we dont. and we need to be protected.

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