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husbands debt is crippling!

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C22 · 01/11/2023 11:06

I need to vent I hope you don’t mind 😭

I found out yesterday my husband has got us into a good bit of debt without me knowing about it. I say us, it’s in his name but as we are married it’s always been split no matter what debt it is.

Background.

He had a credit card at the beginning of the year, paying interest on it which was getting him nowhere as he was only paying the minimum monthly.

I spoke to him about trying to get a balance transfer card meaning he would have x amount of months free from interest to try and clear it quicker.

He did the balance transfer but was only allowed to transfer 3/4 of the amount he owed on the interest 1.

At the time I told him, pay more to the 1 with interest and minimum to the non interest 1.

Turns out 10 months later after I asked him how he was getting on with the cards he said he was struggling really bad with it,

I was confused as at the time we figured out we could afford to give him 400 a month towards the cards, more than enough!

I only asked him how he was getting on as things are tight just now and was hoping we could free up some of that 400.

Well…
the interest accruing 1 I has an extra 2k on it from what it was 10 months ago!

The non interest has barely moved due to minimum payments.

And he has another card now with £5500 owing on it!

3 cards with £13.5k in total.

I am beyond gutted and really disappointed to the point I can’t even look at him.

As mentioned above we have always always split monthly outgoings 50/50. Then just half what’s left for spending on whatever. but as it stands just now there's hardly anything left after paying everything and these dam cards!

I want to support him but financially his card debts are crippling!

I could cry I feel so stressed and angry

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Heb1996 · 02/11/2023 22:54

@C22 I’m sorry you’re going through this. I would be raging too! I absolutely hate debt and hate lies too so a combination of the two would finish me off. Definitely look at the statements tonight and don’t be fobbed off. This is serious and he’s dragging you into his mess. You’ve helped him enough and he’s flung that back in your face by making the situation ten times worse. I would be seriously considering separation/divorce. Good luck!!!

DyslexicPoster · 02/11/2023 22:55

JudgeJ · 02/11/2023 21:44

Yet women are always told that in a marriage it's 'family money' when she wants it!
Not defending the man, just as usual amused by MN's hypocrisy.

Family money isn't coke money. If both parents (family) are getting into debt ( family money) on a coke habit children's socail care would be very interested. Can you not see the difference here? Do you think OPs dp is being reasonable here? If so maybe OP needs to even things up and get her kicks and chill with a coke habit. Make it equal

VelvetVoice · 02/11/2023 23:01

a lover or only fans

BlowingInTheWind82 · 02/11/2023 23:03

OP, you’re not nagging him.
What good will it do dragging him to your son’s? Won’t your son just go mad and it’ll just put him on a defensive?

TBH for me, all boundaries have been crossed. Yes you’re married but you don’t have to have this life.

gardenflowergirl · 02/11/2023 23:11

Have you considered that the large cash withdrawals could be going on prostitution?

C22 · 02/11/2023 23:15

He can go on a defensive all he wants tbh,
he’s caused this mess and I need support from family on it so I’m not telling him, I’m making him do it.
maybe hearing what my son has to say (he’s not biologically his) will further make him realise what he has done is wrong, cruel, selfish..
then he will realise what he has to lose and I’m hoping he will pass me his phone.
im checking everything on there. Emails, texts, apps, everything.
you will tell im not trusting towards him at all right now, so if hes not prepared to allow my requests then seals the deal.

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Imagwine · 02/11/2023 23:16

Nights. Would he have had time to visit prostitutes, either on the way to or from, work?

C22 · 02/11/2023 23:17

There has been a lot of mention in sex workers,
without him telling me I’d never know.
1 thing I do have, we’ve always had is find my iPhone, so I could easily track him if I wanted to,
I generally don’t unless I’m seeing how far away he is after work to put dinner on or something, but I’ve never randomly checked it.
he knows I have access to this, so if prostitutes it would need to be an online thing?

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C22 · 02/11/2023 23:18

He worked like 10 mins away and left the house 15 mins before his shift
after his shift at 7am he was home for 7.20 latest

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MissedItByThisMuch · 02/11/2023 23:19

Could be an online thing, he could have a second phone and leave his primary one somewhere unsuspicious. Honestly it sounds like the debt is just the tip of the iceberg with this guy.

C22 · 02/11/2023 23:21

Usually I’m the forgiving type,
not this time, not at all.
if there is anything to find out I sure as hell will.
he’s sleeping in our spare room like he did last night.
im a great believer in your gut instinct, my gut says something ain’t adding up and I’m pushing to find out what tomorrow

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Gymnopedie · 02/11/2023 23:38

There is definitely more to this and the fact that he thinks 'admitting' to a cocaine habit is preferable to telling you the truth is extremely worrying.
If he'd taken that much coke you'd have known about it. You'd have seen the mood swings and the personality change. So while I think you're right to want to find out what he's been doing, prepare yourself for the worst.

Heb1996 · 02/11/2023 23:41

@C22 good luck!! Stick to your guns and don’t let him off the hook. He’s betrayed you and needs to come clean about everything so you can decide where to go from here. For me, it would be no way back from this but only you know what you want to do. Tomorrow is a new day and hopefully all will be revealed.

Didsomeonesaydogs · 02/11/2023 23:41

Yep - if it feels confusing, it’s because you don’t have all the facts. There’s more to this.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 02/11/2023 23:50

C22 · 02/11/2023 23:15

He can go on a defensive all he wants tbh,
he’s caused this mess and I need support from family on it so I’m not telling him, I’m making him do it.
maybe hearing what my son has to say (he’s not biologically his) will further make him realise what he has done is wrong, cruel, selfish..
then he will realise what he has to lose and I’m hoping he will pass me his phone.
im checking everything on there. Emails, texts, apps, everything.
you will tell im not trusting towards him at all right now, so if hes not prepared to allow my requests then seals the deal.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but there are many apps eg. porn etc., that are hidden behind "fake" apps. For example, the calculator app may look normal, but when you open it, it goes to a different site completely. Lots of cheaters have been known to use them, just something to be aware of.

Good luck. 💐

C22 · 02/11/2023 23:54

I will be opening every single app on the phone in that case lol,

just had him on the phone there as he’s nearly finished work, told him I want to know who was giving him the coke,
turns out it’s a guy we both know, I had no idea the guy was dealer!
told him I’m going to speak to him tomorrow, this guy needs to know what his “business” is doing to families!
the guy has kids himself 😡

I will spring the phone on him when he least expects it, that way he won’t go clear anything before I ask

this is madness! Ti think I thought my life was normal 72 hours ago 😭

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Bodyrocks80s · 02/11/2023 23:59

@C22

i was in your place once. I knew things weren’t adding up at home with money but like you trusted DH, at the time we had 3 small kids, I’d handed over the money management role after the 2nd so I could deal with the kids and as DH was working and I wasn’t it made sense he managed the bills and money…

One day I found a statement for a loan I wasn’t aware of, £9k, I was pissed but still gave him the benefit of the doubt, over the following days there were credit cards I wasn’t aware of. He’d had an issue with not telling the truth and not paying bills in the past, at one point it effected me, I thought I’d made my position clear with him if he did it again, but obviously not. Anyway I was at breaking point, I’d always kept what happens between us, between us, but i decided I couldn’t handle it this time, we were looking at almost £20k of debt here so I told on him. I told one of his family members, he was humiliated especially when they took it to his parents.

The final figure which I found out from his family was almost £60k. We had absolutely nothing to show for it, most of our furniture was stuff I bought in fucking second hand shops. Nothing made sense.

We got out of the debt, some financial help from his family, he also had some shares he could cash, but being micromanaged and having fortnightly meetings with one of his siblings and going through everything with a fine tooth comb was what did it. He had zero money of his own for a very long time.

I was lucky his family didn’t let myself and the kids suffer, if the kids needed anything his parents covered the costs so they weren’t effected.

For us to stay together he had to agree to being managed by his sibling and me. He agreed to counselling and that he could not get upset with me about not trusting him even if it took years.

We are a number of years down the line now and he’s a different man, I still question finances but I have full visibility, he’s not allowed a separate account or credit card, we’ve kept this up. These days we very much discuss finances, he knows he can’t let him self forget to tell me anything, if I suspect even a little he’s not telling the truth he’s done. The kids are older so far easier for me to walk now. But, he’s not given me any reason, if anything he’s now a far better saver than me. Savings go into an account solely in my name so if we need to use any only I can access them. He nags me and will tell me to hold off buying something until there is x amount in the account.

The money just went into the abyss, no gambling, women or drugs, he would just spend for the sake of it, not pay bills on time, incur interest, not declare extra income with the inland revenue, get fined, not pay parking fines, couldn’t find his expensive electric tool because the work shed was a mess, instead of tidying up he’d just buy a new one, lots of take always, online gaming, drawing cash on credit card out, meals out just stuff we just could not afford to do.

I really hope you get to the bottom of this, as you say trust your gut. I knew I wasn’t going to get to the bottom and I wasn’t strong enough at the time, 3 small kids including a baby so I told someone I knew would not take his bull shit and who he would be ashamed of knowing what he’d done. And please do not take his trying to turn things on you. If he’s genuinely remorseful and wants to fix this he will have to take what ever you throw at him to fix this.

likethislikethat · 03/11/2023 00:10

Get rid of him ASAP.

You don't deserve to have to go through the pain over the years ahead to deal with such a useless man.

Life is too short.

C22 · 03/11/2023 00:19

@Bodyrocks80s this sounds exactly like him but mine has thrown cocaine in to the mix.
but everytime I ask him he says he has literally spent it on absolute crap, stuff he didn’t need, just buying it for the sake of it.
nights out with his work instead of using his own money would take money out the card and use that incurring fees for cash withdrawal,
at work would be the 1 offering to get the pizzas etc, basically living the high life,
there is nothing suspicious on the statements other than the large cash withdrawals which he admitted 1 at £250 then another £200 the following day was to buy his alloys, he told me at the time he had saved for them!
i hear what you are saying about telling someone, this is why I need him to go to my son ( hes 25) tomorrow and tell him so at least I can speak with him about it openly, why should I hide this, I’ve never discussed our household finances with anyone as it’s not really anyone’s business but this is different.

tonorroe will be an eye opener, he’s been told I’m no longer helping him with payments, so he needs to sit down and figure out how he’s paying it himself.
no way am I bailing him after helping him the last 10 months for him to just shit on me.

13.500 and he has literally nothing absolutely nothing (other than shit alloys) to show for it 😡

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Yalta · 03/11/2023 00:22

*C22 · Yesterday 23:15

He can go on a defensive all he wants tbh,
he’s caused this mess and I need support from family on it so I’m not telling him, I’m making him do it.
maybe hearing what my son has to say (he’s not biologically his) will further make him realise what he has done is wrong, cruel, selfish..
then he will realise what he has to lose and I’m hoping he will pass me his phone.
im checking everything on there. Emails, texts, apps, everything.
you will tell im not trusting towards him at all right now, so if hes not prepared to allow my requests then seals the deal*

You are really kidding yourself if he is suddenly going to see the error of his ways and change.
I wouldn’t waste your time with getting to see credit card statements or anything
He couldn’t care less about being thought of as cruel or selfish.
Being taken to see your son and having a telling off from him is just a way to move past everything. He will unload the worry of the debt onto you and then when he thinks you aren’t on his case. (You can’t go through life trying prevent someone from running up debt it’s exhausting) then it will be business as usual.
He has done it before and you said he was so pleased that you were going to give him £400 per month to pay off his debts. No wonder his face lit up and he was really excited . I bet he couldn’t believe his luck.
And look how that turned out.

Yalta · 03/11/2023 00:26

I hope you have receipts to hand for everything on the house as it’s all well and good saying he has to pay off this debt himself.

If he doesn’t and they send bailiffs round then unless you can prove you bought everything in your house then it will be gone.

Sugarcoatedcandycane · 03/11/2023 00:33

@C22 just read your thread OP.

You are much calmer than I’d have been. However I have been there with an ex many years ago in my early twenties. Left him due to it. I did everything, giving him an allowance, doing him a spreadsheet. Telling his parents, us all sitting around the table. He’d cry and be remorseful and 6 months later we’d be back in the same spot. Thank goodness I got out when I did!

On another note though, I wouldn’t be taking this to your 25 year old son. Why put the stress of his mothers marriage on your son? Yes your DH needs to face consequences and not have this secret kept, but isn’t there anyone else to tell? Parents? His siblings?

The main issue with telling your son is.. what exactly can your son do about it? A 25 year old giving a man in his 40/50s a bollocking? Your DH may be embarrassed but where does this leave your poor son?

If you decide to forgive your husband and work on the marriage your son is still stuck with this information. He won’t be able to let it blow over like you can as he won’t love your husband like you do. Will he then be made to play happy families with your husband once your over it and forget what happened? What if your son never forgives him? Then you’ll have a lifetime of upset battling the relationship between your husband and son.

It’s parentification. I say this as someone who’s DM did a ‘sit around the table’ about my stepdad doing some shady shit. I was livid as was my older brother. I told her to leave him asap! My mum decided not too and after a few months wanted it all seeping under the rug. But my feelings for my stepdad was irrevocably affected and was never the same again. Also the way I felt about my mum changed a bit for forgiving him.

You definitely do need support (like my mum did) and you do need to tell someone in real life, but your son isn’t it. Not unless you’re actually going to leave your DH and need support to get over the break up.

C22 · 03/11/2023 00:58

@Yalta luckily we don’t have bailiffs where I’m from, thankfully.
@Sugarcoatedcandycane i guess you are right tbh,
seeing it from that pov really wouldn’t be the best idea.
hos mum knows, he told her today, I’m not that close with his family so she never even text me, which makes new wonder. Has he told her??
the 1 friend I could talk to is unfortunately in hospital at the moment so she doesn’t need to listen to my issues.
so looks like IRL I need to just deal with this on my own

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Winterscoming1 · 03/11/2023 01:06

My deceased dh was constantly in debt, stole money from me and the children and was declared bankrupt twice. We were extremely lucky not to lose our home. It ruined our relationship and blighted occasions like Christmas for me as I never knew how he was funding the expensive presents.
After his death I had to sit down with my adult children and try and work out which debts needed to be paid.One of the saddest things we found was that he was obviously taking money from his elderly father and had credit in his name.
We shared a home which I bought him out of as otherwise we'd have lost it but we had no relationship for many years.
It's no way to live and no example to show your children.

Northernsouloldies · 03/11/2023 01:32

Op I know you're livid and with good reason but I'd be careful about confronting the coke dealer, yes you know him but you don't know who the higher ups are and that's when things could get dangerous and personally I wouldn't say anything about getting police involved etc. You have enough going on. Good luck in getting it sorted out.

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