Pre-summer Bootcamp - our last weigh-in!

[BIWI]

Morning all. Very excited to hear the final scores!

Here's the Spreadsheet for its last outing this Bootcamp

We'll keep this chat thread going, and when it finishes, we'll start a new one so that we can keep the support going until next Bootcamp.

moist and oldbooks Was just reading this and thought of you, as you are both dealing with stress at the moment:

^Unfortunately, it isn’t always enough to just eat healthy and exercise. We need to make sure that our bodies are functioning optimally and that our hormonal environment is favorable. Being stressed all the time keeps the body in a constant state of “fight or flight” – with elevated levels of stress hormones like cortisol. Having chronically elevated cortisol levels can increase your hunger and cravings for unhealthy foods (1, 2).
If you want to cut back on stress, try meditation and deep breathing exercises. Cut back on distractions like Facebook and news media, read more books instead. Bottom Line: Chronic stress can have negative effects on your hormonal environment, making you hungrier and preventing you from losing weight.^

Not easy to avoid stress at times, but sometimes it's helpful to know why you are craving food even if you can't prevent it.

@ClearEyesFullHearts
well as BIWI pointed out there are really good books on the science,
but I do ok except the adding the electrolytes back in soon enough.

Just have Night before is just normal large chilli or stir fry with cheese/butter.

large BP Coffee, 3 egg cheese, bacon omelet done in coconut oil for breakfast.
take a litre of BPC have 1/2 around 25 & 40 miles. Then lunch, as carrying Salad, Mayo, Mustard Chicken or pork -- with the fat from cooking mixed into the mayo 4 cups total ( size of plastic container)

A 45gm bag of Cashews on the way home. Bonked on the 200km ride around 180km or 110 miles forgot the nuts. Sorted with energy drink, nuts and ice cream as a coolant but normally avoid them because of the carbs.

Carry 3 litres of water and refill after about 75 miles depending on weather and shops.

But I'm not racing, just riding around flat gravel back roads for 10-12 hours.
As some famous rider said "Riding never gets easy, you just get faster and go further in the same amount of time"

C4 got a right mess on the last comment to you, must have been nodding off and forgot to finish #NamasteBitch and hope your #fatcanpissrightoffandtakethesuperbugswithit

Oldbooks, skrry to hear you are having a hard time. Remember we are all rooting for you.

OldBooks, I'm sorry you are feeling like this. You always seem such a kind and thoughtful person here, and I hope you are able to give yourself some of the time and kindness you give others.

Oldbooks I know how apprehension and anxiety can take hold. -I got myself in a right state when I was having a weekend with my in laws and you and others on here helped me get through it and come out the other end relatively unscathed. I get very annoyed at myself because I know that I'm the only one who is harmed and upset by this - I get the IBS and the sleepless night - they don't!
You need a plan to get you through it. Remember all the benefit you're getting from this woe and all the positive comment. If need be tell your parents you are eating this way because your doctor has told you to. I tried to have as much say in deciding what meals we had and where. I got them to go out for meals too as I knew I could choose l carb off the menu. Do the broken record technique- calmly repeat repeat repeat. Get your oh etc on your side. Just think you've come through this far on the woe and this hol is just another hurdle to get through and you can and you will

I got thru the weekend - frazzled and stressed and vowing to never go back there - their parting shot was 'don't get all anorexic on us' it's their issues with food, not mine. Keep posting here on hol if you can. -no matter what happens everyday is a new day and a new start and if you blow it one day - start again the next day. X

Thanks for info, grah, sounds like you have a good plan for it. Bonking absolutely sucks!

C4 I've been thinking about your superbugs. I've no advice for you, just some and the observation that you really do KOKO in all aspects of life. Very admirable.

OldBooks, it's not clear to me whether your anxiety is preventing you from doing things right now or whether it's a general anxiety about the trip and what you see as your inability to stick to this WOE.

First, that's not true. You've managed Bootcamp and done well so you know you can do this.

Second, when I was at the nadir of anxiety (we're talking about someone who stared at a school permission slip for three hours, unable to sign it for no reason whatsoever, before hiding it at the bottom of a pile of equally-ignored, anxiety-producing paperwork) I eventually sought help. The advice was not to worry about everything that needed to be done, but to simply choose one thing and do it.

This has worked well for me (though I still have an insurance form I'm avoiding like a champion ). So my advice to you would be to just choose one meal and for that meal stick to the WOE. And don't think about the rest of the day's meals, don't think about whether you'll stay on plan the day after, don't even give headspace to the entire holiday.

Just one meal, the one you're about to have.

Hi there,

Thanks so much for the welcome and advice everyone. I really appreciate it.

Day 3 now and I feel like I'm getting the hang of it:-

B - 3 egg omelette cooked in butter with butter fried courgette and vine tomato. Coffee with double cream
S - raspberries
L - avocado, mozzarella ball, vine tomato and basil with ev olive oil
S - 10 brazil nuts
T - 2 x salmon fillets cooked plain with a rocket & parmesan salad with ev olive oil
S - green tea with jasmine
A couple of cups of normal tea with s/skimmed milk

That all comes out at 48 carbs which I'm more than happy with as I'm still breastfeeding so following a 50g carbs p/d goal.

My head feels a bit woolly and I feel a bit spacey today, which I think is normal. I've been in ketosis before, plenty of times, when I was doing VLCDs, so just have to power through!

I have a couple of questions if you don't mind?

• If you use MFP, is there a way to turn off daily goals/calories? I am ignoring it, but it is annoying me by telling me the above is over 3,000 calories and my goal is 1,270 (?). It also seems to have set me arbitrary fat/protein goals, which I don't want.

• What exactly is bootcamp/bootcamp light? What are the rules and what do you do if you join in?

By the way, has anyone seen my ambition? I must have dropped it somewhere. I'm supposed to be washing all the holiday laundry then jumping on treadmill but am faffing around on MN big time. Go, me!

lilydaisyrose are you drinking the water? You must drink your water (said in a 'if you don't eat your meat you can't have any pudding' voice)!**

No idea about MFP settings, I didn't get on with it at all. Such a faff. Generally, if I'm counting (which of course I don't talk about here because it seems to make BIWI slightly cross ) I just google a particular food I'm unsure of to see if it's lower-end or higher-end with carbs.

The rules of Bootcamp and Bootcamp light can be found on tabs in the Spreadsheet of Wonderfabulosity (or whatever it's called), which is linked in the original post of this thread, and all week-by-week threads during Bootcamp. As near as I can tell in Bootcamp light you get berries and everybody goes on the lash.

I think BIWI is starting a Super Strict September for herself and a few of us are just going to piggyback on that. You're obviously welcome to that thread even though you're right to keep your carb count higher due to breastfeeding.

At some point in mid to late October I think there will be another proper 10-12 week Bootcamp, BIWI has said. And you join by saying you're in and adding your name to the spreadsheet, weighing in on Mondays, and updating your weight on the spreadsheet.

DO NOT TOUCH THE BLUE CELLS!

I am soooo bloody long-winded. This is why I used to refrain from posting.

**God I hope people here are old enough to understand that reference

I'm back on bootcamp after a couple of weeks of festivities and carby twatness! Want to be slim for Xmas!

Menu

Eggs
Salad with halloumi and chorizo
Beef stew
Raspberries, dark choc and cream if needed.

Constipated - argggghhh. What can I do?

Lilyrose - congratulations on getting started. I recognise that you are bf, so more on Boot Camp Lite, but if you're going to have milk in your tea and I still do , then you should be having blue top/full fat milk, not semi-skimmed.

Interestingly, my dad (former doctor), who doesn't follow this WoE, has recently changed back from semi-skimmed to full fat because he's "read the research".

Oldbooks - I agree with the advice about trying to focus on just one thing. You can do this - you already have shown you can succeed with this WoE. Every day is a new day, so even if you have difficulties while you are away, a) eat mindfully while you do diverge from this WoE. That way you can control the mindset, enjoy the carbs you are consuming and not revert to Carby Twattiness and b) start with a clean slate when you get back, at which point the past will be the past and the only thing you can control is the present - and your ongoing attitude.

I am on day 2 of boot camp after being a total carbfiend and hVe five stone to lose 🙈I was wondering if someone could tell me if I am having too much cheese please

B total ff yog
S cheese string
L 2 eggs with spinach cooked in butter with six slices of pepperoni. Then was still hungry do had a slice of gem and a slice of leerdammer
D will be chicken Caesar salad (with cheese)
Drinks so far 1.5l of water, one coffee eith milk

Ham not gem ,

Oh and a small grating of cheese on my eggs

Works out to be 97g fat, 14g carbs and 90g of protein

NoMore oh, I feel for you. I had a moment, well, few days, early on in bootcamp when I wondered whether I was going survive. Somehow, I have it firmly in mind that a daily 'event' is a good thing and felt really out of sorts when it wasn't happening. I discovered that in French, it's not unusual to ask anyone who is acting grumpy whether they have 'been' yet today?

What works for me, first and foremost is plenty of water and fresh green vegetables, with honourable mention given to spinach, raw cabbage, celery but most of all, celeriac. Celeriac is particularly helpful when / if there appears to be 'nothing happening' in that department. On holiday, when it took a while to find 'my kind of food' I found two or three senna pods in hot water drunk as a tea on going to bed kept everything regular.

My absolute favourite celeriac recipe (I've posted it here before but, so apologies if you have already read it, keep meaning to add it to the recipe thread). Start with a whole celeriac, cut away the peel and chop into pieces. I like the size of 'chunky chips'. I pile them into a large, flat ovenproof dish, add a few peeled and sliced shallots, coconut oil and olive oil and put them into a prewarmed oven around gas mark 6 for about an hour. The size of the 'chips' determines whether an hour is sufficient to reach a soft, and slightly singed state. Add a handful of chorizo chopped up small ( for vegetarian version, sprinkle with smoked paprika) and give it a bit longer at a higher temp, i tend to do about ten mins at gas mark 9. To make it more of a meal, add one or two chicken thighs, skins rubbed with oil, from the beginning but not necessary if you are looking for the veg effect.

When it's ready, that is the celeriac is soft and touch with brown bits, produce to universal admiration, add a sprinkle of thyme and a grinding of salt and pepper . Delicious and almost too effective. I could easily eat the whole lot, but have discovered it's really better to make it at least two portions.

For more variety, use only half the celeriac and use the other half for celeriac remoulade (google, there are lots of recipes around). Hope you get sorted soon.

Ooh that sounds delicious, finallyhere! I have never eaten celeriac before in my life - what does it taste like? I especially like the chorizo and chicken thighs on top

Thanks for your suggestions - I do feel grumpy today! I've taken some flax seeds and I'm upping my magnesium pills - they usually help me. I'm knocking the water back - so, hopefully things might get moving soon.

I'm back on it!
Picnic lunch of cheese, eggs and cold sausages.

And I was .. that close to eating an ice cream but didn't. Phew!

How is everyone?
I've managed to keep most of the weight off since we finished bootcamp and have only put on 3lbs. Which isn't too bad?
Still, carb creep is carb creep, so I am thinking of doing a short sharp shock version of bootcamp, just to get me back on track again.

So, this weeks I'm 'eating sensibly' with no added sugar, then
starting from next Monday I will do
1 week strict bootcamp
1 week bootcamp light.

that should sort me!

I've missed you lot

Shiraz - meals don't look too bad but although you haven't said what weight you are now, the fact that you say you wanting to lose 5 stone means you are not drinking nearly enough water

Somewhere on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness in the OP, there is guidance for how much you should be drinking in relation to your weight.

Re the cheese - some people are ok with dairy (butter doesn't count), while others find that they can't include much in this WoE or it stalls them.

Thanks pretty bird, struggling on water but now up to 2.5 litres.

Sorry posted too soon, will check on spreadsheet now

Hi all thanks for the tips. I still can't shake the feeling that I'm missing something and all this fatty food is going straight on my arse

Today's food:

B. 2 fried eggs 1 rasher of bacon
L. Cheese cubes, chicken breast pieces, a few slides of chorizo, miso soup

I'm a bit stuck with dinner - have got a chili on the go but re-checked the sauce label and it's quite carby so I can either have a really small amount or not take the risk and graze on other low carb stuff.