Re: DS is transgender ftm 16 and happy.

[crazyhat]

In reference to the suspended thread titled "DS is transgender ftm 16 and happy." I am the 16 year old, writing it from my mother's point of view, everything I said is true, and my mother and I stand by what I said. See, a few weeks ago she told me that when I first started transitioning, she came to mumsnet for help, and was met by people telling her to not endorse it, and other things that (with hindsight) are blatently transphobic. You are all free to your own opinions, I can't stop that. But I genuinely can't describe the feeling I have towards my body, it's such an extreme disconnect, and I know that transitioning is genuinely the only solution. I am very greatful that my parents support me, unlike many parents, evidently are on here. I'm sorry to anyone who feels decieved, but I was genuinely just doing it to have a sense of understanding of what my parents generation think, and to be brutally honest, it was borderline concerning. I feel sorry for people who's have to hear "advice" from some of you. However I, and my situation, is very much real.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/lgbt_children/3732775-DS-is-transgender-ftm-16-and-happy

And yet strangely enough on a thread about a NB lesbian people aren't telling her that. I wonder why that is?

Maybe address that on the thread in question, rather than on here?

Mummyoflittledragon

Nope. Have a read and you will see that it was brought up by another poster. My comment was in response to that poster. I was responding to a comment about anorexia. I absolutely did not bring it up as you will see if you read the thread.

Maybe it's you who likes to be argumentative?

Maybe address that on the thread in question, rather than on here?

I have.

I find it curious how the arguments put forward here are couched in a faux "but we're just worried about the children mutilating themselves, they should be happy with who they are without resorting to surgery". Then when someone posts just that there's similar outrage because they refuse to embrace being a woman, but they are doing nothing about it they simply are being themselves yet that's not acceptable?

Accepting the fact that you are a woman is not the same as embracing it.

You are bringing up a lot of stuff and arguing a lot Hearhooves whether you want to admit it or not.

The concern is not faux. Why would it be, with any mutilation?

It’s not even my child posting and I find it devastating that the surgery is happening at 17.

If any these you go live your truth / university professors pushed that sex is changeable stuff I’d be annoyed and will make sure the dc know about sex and biology. Can’t believe it’s even what we have to do. Ridiculous.

And mothers worrying about children is not, in the slightest, "faux" and I can't honestly believe you would think it was.

What’s an NB lesbian? I don’t understand how someone can be non binary but an lesbian?
Nor did anyone on the thread at the time, so that's what it tended to concentrate on. It seemed to come down to I'll use whatever words I like the sound of to describe myself, the meanings of the words have nothing to do with it.

@Mummyoflittledragon

I mentioned anorexia as it is another example of a delusional disorder with damaging thoughts that causes the person suffering from it to essentially mutilate their bodies (sometimes beyond repair).
I mentioned it in the context that in a conversation with someone suffering from anorexia, I would encourage them to seek help instead of reinforcing their delusional thoughts. The same as I would with someone who believed that they were born into the wrong sex category.

@hearhoovesthinkzebras

Claiming NB is completely different to being gender critical or non-conforming.
I fully accept that I am a biological woman and this will never change. That doesn't mean I need to use make up, have long hair, wear dresses, have no aspirations other than being a wife and mother etc.

You cannot be a lesbian if you are not a woman.
Lesbians are another group of women who's rights are being railroaded by the TRA agenda but it seems to be overlooked.

Thanks for that @Whatwouldbigfatfannydo
I’ve reread your post, yes you did, true.

@Mummyoflittledragon

Would've been much easier to tag me but instead @Hearhoovesthinkzebras insisted on repeating 'another poster' etc...

hearhooves

If you’ve brought it up on another thread, there’s not really a need to bring it here, surely? I mean, there’s plenty to discuss here, even without the OP and their new identity as the child and not the mother.

I think you're in danger of heading down the #notruetrans path @Hearhoovesthinkzebras. There's a surprise

Some people believe they are trans for a year, some for ten years, some for life. Some experience the exact same 'symptoms' but never put that label on themselves. That's their personal choice.

Times also change and someone who was seen as a tomboy or a butch lesbian in 1999 may well be seen as trans if they were 16 today.

If the experiences 'match' or echo one another from a personal perspective, that's really as much evidence as it's possible to get with something so utterly subjective.

There is of course a legal definition of disability and a medical definition of phobias (as well as gender dysphoria). My experience is a complete match for the latter but 'trans' is a label popularised 15 years after my experienced resolved.

So many genderists seem to view the world through an eternal 'now' so i'm not sure how much of my post you'll be able to understand.

@StealthMama

All I can say is that she was clearly unhappy as a boy approaching puberty after a carefree childhood being great friends with our daughter .
Approaching puberty felt totally wrong dressing and being expected to act as a man . Literally felt trapped and frightened of coming out as transgender.
Personality wise now as well developed a young woman as you could find . Before withdrawn and unhappy outside of work .
She’s happy now despite all the drawbacks because at last she feels she is in the right skin - a female skin . Been accepted completely and in fact supported in her transition every step of the way . Colleagues liked her as a man and have seen her blossom as a woman . Hope that explains - she’s just happier being true to herself .

How can we identify the best course of action for something that Could have a major impact on a childs life? Me? Ok I am More likely to have a real idea than a child, but no, actually I think That experts basing their opinion and conclusions built on hard evidence and science is the only way. Undortunatly, this information is sadly lacking.

Small scale studies have not however shown on average any life improvement post transition. Some studies have shown that people become less happy not more happy,

Experts at the Tavistock clinic have been resigning in horror at what is happening, calling for better science.

There is evidence that is being systematically ignored however, that's the evidence of previous generations who somehow found a none medical solution

Accepting the fact that you are a woman is not the same as embracing it.

On the NB lesbian thread the poster states that she is female, so she is accepting it but for some reason that isn't acceptable to the other posters.

Why?

Hearhooves I don’t even know what thread you are talking about

Had a look on active couldn’t see it

I'm only responding to what is posted on this thread 🤷‍♀️ Life's too short and all that. I can hardly explain why someone I don't know wrote something on a thread I haven't read.

Thanks for that @Whatwouldbigfatfannydo*
I’ve reread your post, yes you did, true.*

Do you accept that it wasn't me then @Mummyoflittledragon?

If you’ve brought it up on another thread, there’s not really a need to bring it here, surely? I mean, there’s plenty to discuss here, even without the OP and their new identity as the child and not the mother.

Well there is a need because posters on here are insisting that being you is enough, you don't need to change anything about you, be a butch female, wear whatever clothes the you want, date whoever you want just don't make irreversible changes to your body. Correct?

Yet on another thread where a poster is clear that she's female, isn't undergoing medication or surgery but is just being themselves that is still provoking a lot of responses challenging the op. Why?

What is acceptable to all of you?

Newbie perhaps you could answer my question from earlier?

MarshaBradyo

Can I post links to another thread?

It's in the LGBTQ section I think.

I don’t see why but it’s up to people if they want to look at it I guess

But it’s definitely not exactly the same posters in both threads because I, and others, haven’t read it

Why not!

I don’t see why not I mean

Ok. Here's the link

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/lgbt_children/3704756-Nonbinary-Lesbian-Answering-Questions