Re: DS is transgender ftm 16 and happy.

[crazyhat]

In reference to the suspended thread titled "DS is transgender ftm 16 and happy." I am the 16 year old, writing it from my mother's point of view, everything I said is true, and my mother and I stand by what I said. See, a few weeks ago she told me that when I first started transitioning, she came to mumsnet for help, and was met by people telling her to not endorse it, and other things that (with hindsight) are blatently transphobic. You are all free to your own opinions, I can't stop that. But I genuinely can't describe the feeling I have towards my body, it's such an extreme disconnect, and I know that transitioning is genuinely the only solution. I am very greatful that my parents support me, unlike many parents, evidently are on here. I'm sorry to anyone who feels decieved, but I was genuinely just doing it to have a sense of understanding of what my parents generation think, and to be brutally honest, it was borderline concerning. I feel sorry for people who's have to hear "advice" from some of you. However I, and my situation, is very much real.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/lgbt_children/3732775-DS-is-transgender-ftm-16-and-happy

They think they know it's the right descison, it's not the same as being the right descison.

Who has the right to judge that decision? You?

A lot of the men transitioning now are men who haven't been trans their whole lives, most are heterosexual men who have enjoyed all the trimmings of being male and got into it through pornography.

The need the young trans kids so they can push the whole 'born in the wrong body' shit but for many men transitioning later in life that's not the case at all.

I have a very close friend who transitioned when he was in his 50's about 5 years ago. He is very open about the fact it started as a fetish. He claims it's no longer a fetish for him but to be honest his behaviour would show otherwise.

yoohoo! We're all over this thread. We've explained the dysphoria we suffered as teenagers. Luckily not long after that most of us discovered gender was an oppressive box with no concrete attachment to biological sex and we fought our way out of it without doing anything irreversible to our bodies. You could say our transtion was a transition of the mind that negated the need for further physical harm. Hth.

@crazyhat well done for speaking up! I 100% agree with you. I am not trans nor do I have a family member or friend who is, but I can't stand how people in here put it down to an immature mind who doesn't understand themselves yet, and seem more concerned about which toilets trans people use than their mental well-being and happiness.

Do not feel too disheartened as although it seems a massive percentage of Mumsnet have these narrow minds, in real life I rarely hear such negativity!

Be happy 😃

If this was a person with anorexia posting and you were asking them not to call you something you'd feel compelled to tag something about their weight onto that would you, just because it's a biological fact?

hearhoovesthinkzebras if this were a person with anorexia saying they were 6 stone but plan to get liposuction and a rib removed because it's the only way they could possibly be happy, I'm sure people would be equally as concerned.

Like PPs, I'm glad the mother posting was OP trolling after the comment that it would be the child's/OP's fault if they regretted major surgery because that was hideous.

I wasn't ready to make life-changing decisions regarding my future fertility at 16. The fact that OP even made that comment suggests they don't have a clue either, let alone the "I'll adopt" comment.

Is this thread supposed to convince us of the maturity of young people who identify as transgender? Because it's not doing a great job.

If middle aged women are transitioning they are not going to gender clinics for hormones and surgery as the stats for these clinics don't show an excess of women in the same way as for children.

as well as choosing to have an abortion, continue with a pregnancy

If you are pregnant those are the choices. You can’t ban both. What are you suggesting happens to pregnant women and girls? We ban their existence

Some places abortion is banned (can’t believe people don’t know this). My opinion is banning abortion doesn’t work because it’s impossible. You can only ban safe abortion so, no, based on evidence I don’t agree with banning abortion.

As to stopping pregnant women giving birth, what are you going to do? Put a cork in it?

Maybe you want a return to the Magdalen laundaries because that went so well

My gps come from a country where laws around reproductive rights are objectively insane. Part of the problem is they apply a blanket rule that doesn’t take account of individual circumstances. The individual is sacrificed for the collective. It’s a very bad thing and has not worked at all. The problems that have arisen from it were unforeseen because they didn’t account for individual behaviours. They assumed everyone would do as they were told, and to be fair, it was a society where you wore the clothes and had the hairstyles that were expected of you.there was no “individual”. The other extreme, that of the woke left, is to ignore the class struggle and focus solely on the individual. This is also a complete fuck up and has led to kids like the op being cheered on making dumb ass choices because she is brave and stunning and obviously magically special compared to the known developmental stage of other people her age.
We are individuals, but we are also a society. We need a balance and a bit of common sense and a reduction in hyperbole and ridiculous comparisons.

I'd forgotten about that comment, DickKerr - yes, I'm glad it wasn't real too.

You don't want to be called cs. Op doesn't want to be called a woman. How about respecting each other?*

Cis is offensive and is frequently used to “other” women and to support the claim that they are just another group, like transwomen, who fall under the general umbrella term “women”.

Whereas someone wishing they were the opposite sex and insisting that other people go along with the delusion that they are the opposite sex is coercive control.

@Newbie1981

Why have you brought toilets into the conversation? Are you on the wrong thread?

@FamilyOfAliens you know exactly why. It's all you lot go on about!

RuffleCrow
But how can you say that you would have transed? You just cannot know that.

How can you say that you had the same condition as the op when you decided not to trans? Arguably you didn't have dysphoria if you were able to overcome it.

Your argument sounds like arguments I see on hear about disability or phobias. A poster states they have a disability or phobias and then a load of other posters say they too have whatever it is but they got over it by talking themselves out of it, or by having accupuncture or some other fairly mild treatment. Well, maybe they did or maybe and most likely they were never disabled or had a true phobia in the first place

Yet the only person who mentioned it on this thread is you. Presumably that makes you one of us lot now

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

I'd encourage anyone suffering from a disorder of any kind to seek the help that they desperately need, the same as very many posters of this thread and similar ones.
It does no one any good to perpetuate the absolute myths that gender has any bearing whatsoever and that biological sex can be changed.
Again, our ability to discuss our own rights is being erased due to people tripping over themselves to encourage delusional and damaging thoughts. It is not ok for children to be treated as the experiments of toxic organisations like Mermaids, Stonewall and the rest of the woke brigade.

Instead, if we worked to tell people of both sexes that it was ok to reject the socially constructed stereotypes that are enforced, people like the OP may not be so quick to mutilate themselves.

Cis is offensive and is frequently used to “other” women and to support the claim that they are just another group, like transwomen, who fall under the general umbrella term “women”.

It's also used to silence women on the grounds they're 'cis-privileged' and should therefore just shut up and go away.

@JulietakaIris haha good god no!

The objection appears to be that the op isn't embracing being female and this seems to be the crux of the matter here too.

Can’t speak for anyone else but the crux for me is that (a) the OP lied all the way through the previous thread by pretending to be a middle-aged mum, (b) the OP started a TAAT when the previous one was suspended, and (c) the OP’s explanations of why they believe themselves to be male are poorly formed and devoid of logic and reasoning.

And we still have some posters queuing up to congratulate them on their upcoming double mastectomy and lifetime of infertility.

Yet here you are talking about toilets and no one else is. So...🤷‍♀️

LonginesPrime

And? That wasn't the point being made.

A pp asked the op not to call her c*s, she's a woman, just like the op. That's what I objected to.

Another poster said that it was simply stating a biological fact, had the op been anorexic they would have done the same.

My point is would they? They would have posted a request and then tagged a comment on the end about weight, or body size or something, completely unnecessarily?

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras
You were talking about anorexia in your post directly before mine. It’s been quoted up thread. Idk why you said you didn’t bring it up. Enjoy arguing perhaps?

No, just you, @Newbie1981.

Instead, if we worked to tell people of both sexes that it was ok to reject the socially constructed stereotypes that are enforced, people like the OP may not be so quick to mutilate themselves.

And yet strangely enough on a thread about a NB lesbian people aren't telling her that. I wonder why that is?

The irony being is that it's precisely that many women here do not fit the definition of 'c*s' that is the reason this topic gets debated.

We're not cis. That's the point. But funnily enough, that opinion is not tolerated and isn't even worth the briefest of thought time. It's almost bigoted, one might say.

What’s an NB lesbian? I don’t understand how someone can be non binary but an lesbian?