OMG HELP! Is my Uncle scamming my mum??? What to do! (Tenancy agreement)

[JenniferAnistonfan]

• in 2019 mom signed tenancy agreement with my uncle and his wife to help him rent home. She never lived there

• uncle has been subletting it and told my mum few years later he removed her. my mom later learns he never removed her. Meaning he faked her signature each time they renewed contract

• we learn this uncle has some serious dodgy, fraud and scamming history. Moving countries to hide and avoid paying people back, scamming abroad, articles on google about his scamming etc and his own father confirming he scammed fathers army buddies etc

• my mother asks to be removed, he seemed annoyed in phone and stalls for a year claiming landlord is not replying etc

• today I send him firm message saying I want my mom removed from contract. Ask him to give landlords contact details. Tell him replacement tenants will not be a problem as his adult daughter and mother in law moved in a year ago.

• he replies I’ll speak to him.

• calls me saying “give me your email. Landlords lawyer will be contacting you to remove you”

• something feels off so I say lawyer? Please give me his address, phone number and name, I want to contact his directly.

• uncle starts swearing and raising his voice at me, saying I’m being difficult and annoying and wasting peoples time?

• I am now worried given his history will give fake details or pay someone to pretend to be landlord.

• what should I do? I know there’s land registry but I’m worried it will show landlords old address?

• how do I find who landlord is and his real phone and address?

• also does this lawyer thing seem fake?

• and why is he so reluctant to remove my mom from tenancy agreement??? Could he be using her for some sort of scam?

Oh actually - your mum must have a copy of the tenancy agreement somewhere? Won’t it be on there?

No she doesn’t have one

Troll????

I was the one who made that post

Not even on email?

I don't understand how he could be signing the tenancy agreement for her. We rent our home, every year we have to both personally go in and sign the tenancy agreement im view of the estate agent. My parents and my brother are also guarantors, so they also have to go in themselves to sign the paper work. We also all have to show photo id amongst other documents to prove we are who we say we are, so how on earth is he signing on behalf of your mum?

I made it a year ago when he first claimed he’ll take care of it. Then he stalled for like a year

what makes you think I’m trolling??? I really need advice

Why didn’t you follow the advice last time?

Its a bit weird the titles are the same but the usernames and details are different

You’ve been given advice in both threads.

Title deeds and hunt down the tenancy agreement. She signed in 2019 not 1919 she must have a copy somewhere

So what was thew advice last time and why didnt you take that, wouldnt it be simpler to see a solicitor

I lost my old account

and I am asking again because the situation changed

back the I was more worried about dbs and universal credit

i learned my mother never planned to move in, she did for affordability check and uncle is now refusing to give landlord details, I thought he would when I made that post. Today he swore and yelled at me refusing to

and I also learned land registry can show old address so need to find out other ways

She lost the tenancy agreement. Can’t find it. We looked everywhere. Would not be surprised the threw it away thinking she doesn’t need it

Land registry IS the advice. It will show the home address the landlord has on his BTL mortgage, and his name. That’s a great start for only £7.

Did it not get emailed to her? She doesn’t have a single email relating to this? Not even a viewing confirmation?

Did she get the tenancy through a letting agency? How did she find the property?

I think everyone needs to start being a bit smarter all round OP.

Someone said it might show old address he no longer lives in. Is this true. Are there any more ways to find out in case this happens

What about the deposit? Did she pay the deposit in any part?

She signed a tenancy agreement, didn’t keep a copy, has no idea what’s been going on and who is living there, and is apparently so unable to deal with it you’ve had to do it on her behalf?

Is she stupid?

I have no idea - I guess if his mortgage company doesn’t know his current address. But it’s unlikely, and if you have it you have a name and somewhere he probably lives.

Letting agency. Nope, not one email. I wouldn’t not be surprised if she deleted them. It was 7 years ago

i know. I was furious when I found it. She’s always been very irresponsible and foolish

She’s either epically stupid (I mean who doesn’t have at least an email about this) or the whole thing is very dodgy and underhand all round

Why don't you just check first rather than speculating.

Yep Epically stupid.

When you found what?

Contact the letting agency. If she still on the tenancy agreement they will sort it, or ask the landlord to, and will probably give his details. Simples

She signed in 2019 not 1919 she must have a copy somewhere

i don’t know what letting agency. Like I said she says she probably threw away contract and all emails deleted

and also my uncle is no longer with a letting agency. It’s just him and landlord