OMG HELP! Is my Uncle scamming my mum??? What to do! (Tenancy agreement)

[JenniferAnistonfan]

• in 2019 mom signed tenancy agreement with my uncle and his wife to help him rent home. She never lived there

• uncle has been subletting it and told my mum few years later he removed her. my mom later learns he never removed her. Meaning he faked her signature each time they renewed contract

• we learn this uncle has some serious dodgy, fraud and scamming history. Moving countries to hide and avoid paying people back, scamming abroad, articles on google about his scamming etc and his own father confirming he scammed fathers army buddies etc

• my mother asks to be removed, he seemed annoyed in phone and stalls for a year claiming landlord is not replying etc

• today I send him firm message saying I want my mom removed from contract. Ask him to give landlords contact details. Tell him replacement tenants will not be a problem as his adult daughter and mother in law moved in a year ago.

• he replies I’ll speak to him.

• calls me saying “give me your email. Landlords lawyer will be contacting you to remove you”

• something feels off so I say lawyer? Please give me his address, phone number and name, I want to contact his directly.

• uncle starts swearing and raising his voice at me, saying I’m being difficult and annoying and wasting peoples time?

• I am now worried given his history will give fake details or pay someone to pretend to be landlord.

• what should I do? I know there’s land registry but I’m worried it will show landlords old address?

• how do I find who landlord is and his real phone and address?

• also does this lawyer thing seem fake?

• and why is he so reluctant to remove my mom from tenancy agreement??? Could he be using her for some sort of scam?

But then the landlord will expect the woman who does live there to move out.

Can it get any worse?

What woman? He is subletting to people without contract. They live there for few months then leave

he also lives there with his family

His wife!

it’s a joint tenancy so she will only be “moving out” and leaving the uncle as the sole tenant.

If they’ve pulled off this scam for the last few years I imagine the landlord won’t Clock on now

how? Wife is on tenancy agreement too

my mom can leave and other tenants can stay no? Plus his wife salary is now good

This house in London must be huge and very expensive if several families are living there. Why didn’t he just go for a 1 bed in the first place?

Don't make it worse with more PROVABLE fraud.

Contact the landlord. Say her circumstances changed very shortly after signing and she never actually moved in. That she informed your Uncle who confirmed she'd been removed but she's recently discovered, from a conversation with your Uncle that she never was. But she wants to be taken off now, what's the correct process?

It’s a 3 bedroom home.

We found out wife and he live in living room and their daughters and mil in one room. Rest two rooms sublet

Where does your mum actually live OP?

Im surprised that she hasn’t ended up on the council tax - it’s been a while since I rented but whenever I did the landlord reported our names to the council for council tax. I remember it being right bastard to prove at Uni when housemates moved out, so they could be taken off.

So the joint tenancy is 3 people? Your mum, her brother and his wife?

Yes

Has she ever paid any rent or received any rental income?

no

Christ, it’s rare I feel sorry for a landlord but they all clearly saw him coming!

Does your mum know who the landlord is?

No. And he is refusing to give his details

Does she have a copy of the tenancy agreement?

Right.

I’s get the name of the landlord from the title deeds and, as a PP said, say that your mum never moved in and you’ve only recently found out she’s still on the tenancy agreement.

Tell the poor bugger about the subletting too.

Pmk

Dont ask the landlord. Ask a solicitor.

Title deeds.

AFAIK mortgage companies update the addresses on the title deeds so as long as his mortgage company knows where he lives you will find him.

Even just his name may throw up a social media search.

What does pmk mean?

He also told her he is subletting with landlords permission

his relative just told my mom landlord doesn’t know

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/legal_matters/5149269-omg-did-my-uncle-scam-my-mother-is-this-fraud-tenancy-agreement-says-he-removed-her-6-years-ago-but-never-did