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Fairypick · 11/05/2024 21:42

Hi, this is my story and am looking for any advice or guidance in regards to my post. Please don’t judge.

Almost 10 years ago I had my second child and at around 8 months old they sustained unexplained none accidental injuries these were the injuries caused from the Drs review:
2014 baby was presented by his mother at his GP surgery with bruising and swelling to his feet, she was unable to offer any explanation to how an immobile child could have sustained these injuries, baby was then referred to Hospital and examined by a doctor. Baby was found to have linear bruising on the tops of the right foot as well as bruising on the tip of the right big toe and diffuse bruising on the soles of both feet. There was also a small 0.5 superficial scratch on top of baby’s chest and a small 5mm linear bruise on the posterior aspect of baby’s left ear. A skeletal survey also found baby to have 6 healing fractures to the ribs, which appeared to be old ones.
There were concerns that the injuries may have been caused by either mother or her partner (not the. Baby’s farther) and they were arrested and bailed with no further action due to no evidence an interim court order was granted. It is noted that in a court of law and family court the judge determined either mother or her partner had caused the injuries and a Lancashire finding was accepted as neither mother or partner were accepting responsibility for causing the injuries that baby had sustained although the blamed each other at the time of the incident.
As part of this section 47 enquiry SW spoken to both in question about the injuries and they both remain clear that they did not cause the injuries to baby nor can they explain what happened or how it happened. Mother also shared that if she had of caused the injuries she would not have taken her baby to get treatment as she knows this would have got her into trouble. Almost 11 years on me and my partner are now expecting our first baby together, there has been no DV in almost 7 years and we have remained very positive in our relationship since and very much looking forward to the arrival of our new born baby. We were made subjected to a child protection order in January due to a referral and we were very open and honest about this, we have worked very closely openly and honestly with the LA since the order was made and have never dismissed anything to them. We are due to have a review conference shortly before our baby is born and we currently scored a 3 and this still remains a score of 3 in the report from the SW before the next review meeting. However despite working extremely hard and jumping through many hoops we were informed that they will be seeking legal advice and can not define an answer as to what will happen next this was not mentioned in the very first meeting, we have completed all the assessments and tasks even agreed to any plan needed to ensure we get to be a family and keep our newborn baby, no pre birth plan has been completed yet either. The reason being that that they are seeking legal advice from what they have said is is that we are both saying now that we don’t think either of us caused the injuries, LA didn’t realise the seriousness of the past case either. We have consent to having a virtual baby for 48hrs and will do anything in our power to show and demonstrate we are no risk at all. We understand that they have a duty to ensure children are protected and especially newborn a babies we have never dismissed that, yes it’s difficult to tell what happened or why it happened as we do not know ourself, yes I admit I did at that time failed to safeguard my child who sadly sustained injuries. What am asking is really what do you think will happen, do we stand a chance of keeping our newborn baby and maintaining as a family unit or are we losing a fighting battle that we have worked so very hard for? I fully understand their worries and concerns but surely with a lot of positives and the length of time passed we could be given a chance at this? We are more then happy to be placed in a mother and baby unit, a foster placement or a supervision order, the last thing we want is to have our baby removed. Any advice or experience would be much appreciated and please don’t judge we are not horrible bad people just two people who would very much like the opportunity to show we can care, protect and love our child to the best of our ability with the support of the LA until they feel satisfied that the risks are no longer there. Yes they have expressed in their report that they think the new born baby will potentially be at significant risk of harm when born, but surely if we are not given a chance to prove this wrong they is that not fair at all? We have been told to keep providing for our baby and that they don’t know what the plan of the next steps will be although they have expressed that we have engaged positively since the very beginning and that no DV has been present for many years also.
Thank you for your understanding.

OP posts:
Dollenganger333 · 12/05/2024 22:21

Karensalright · 12/05/2024 18:47

The op said she had been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. Generally speaking, this means amongst other difficulties that she will have a rigidity in thinking, can be highly manipulative, prone to believe their own lies and generally chaotic in lifestyle.

It is also untreatable, although long term therapy can help them deal with the external world, they tend to have problematic lives.

They also generally do not succeed in parenthood.

Some of the high profile female offenders against children have this disorder.

Used to come across this condition often in DV services i worked for.

There are a lot of people who manage to be great parents even though they have BPD. It is treatable. Don't spread bigotry about people with mental health problems - it's very unkind. I have met people who recovered from their BPD and have managed to live a productive life with it.

Fairypick · 12/05/2024 22:23

ribeaner · 12/05/2024 21:46

Ive just reported you post op you are not well or in the right mind for a child.

Reported for what exactly? If anything I should be reporting the majority of theses comments in all fairness some are quite nasty and people have actually have taken their own lives over things like this that have been said! Not well?? I simply came for advice, input and some form of advice I knew it wouldn’t all be nice and I wasn’t looking for any empathy at that either but my god this is extremely nasty. This really wasn’t a safe place to express anything.

OP posts:
Fairypick · 12/05/2024 22:24

Dollenganger333 · 12/05/2024 22:21

There are a lot of people who manage to be great parents even though they have BPD. It is treatable. Don't spread bigotry about people with mental health problems - it's very unkind. I have met people who recovered from their BPD and have managed to live a productive life with it.

Thank you! Another positive post to read 🥰

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dreadisabaddog · 12/05/2024 22:27

@Fairypick you won't be taking your own life over this. You're just still trying to make yourself the victim.

Sadly (for you) it sounds like it's too late for you to keep this baby. If age is on your side accept this, leave your partner and have a shitload of help to give you a shot at parenting in the future. Or revisit your first two kids first after the help and try and make things right.

igomeow · 12/05/2024 22:28

WHERE IS YOUR FIRST BABY?

WHY DID YOU STAY WITH A MAN WHO BROKE YOUR BABIES RIBS?

DoreenonTill8 · 12/05/2024 22:29

Fairypick · 12/05/2024 22:23

Reported for what exactly? If anything I should be reporting the majority of theses comments in all fairness some are quite nasty and people have actually have taken their own lives over things like this that have been said! Not well?? I simply came for advice, input and some form of advice I knew it wouldn’t all be nice and I wasn’t looking for any empathy at that either but my god this is extremely nasty. This really wasn’t a safe place to express anything.

Good to hear that one child has a 'safe space' away from his abusers hopefully same for next baby.

Shiningout · 12/05/2024 22:30

Op what exactly were you expecting people to say? 'good luck for your pregnancy?' honestly it's mind boggling but you're clearly focused on playing the victim and turning everything back on other people.

ribeaner · 12/05/2024 22:32

Fairypick · 12/05/2024 22:23

Reported for what exactly? If anything I should be reporting the majority of theses comments in all fairness some are quite nasty and people have actually have taken their own lives over things like this that have been said! Not well?? I simply came for advice, input and some form of advice I knew it wouldn’t all be nice and I wasn’t looking for any empathy at that either but my god this is extremely nasty. This really wasn’t a safe place to express anything.

You dont seem to understand you chosed to stay with a man that abused your child.
Your just as bad as him.

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coffeecakecoffee · 12/05/2024 22:36

Where is you first baby now.

Robotshavetakenoverthenavy · 12/05/2024 22:37

No one has been nasty to you. Everyone has been honest. *
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This forum is not a place for your vanity. It is not here to boost your ego. It is not here to stroke your hair and tell you that everything will be ok.

Your victim mentality has to stop. There is only one victim here and that is your poor baby who had its ribs broken by the people who were supposed to protect it. There is soon going to be another victim when your unborn baby is born unless you read every post on this thread with an adjusted attitude, digest what has been said, leave your piece of shit excuse for a partner, cooperate fully with social services and be the mother that this baby deserves. You cannot protect this child with your current mentality and nobody is going to support you until you stop seeing yourself as a victim.

Hermittrismegistus · 12/05/2024 22:40

How can you dare to try to berate others and throw in a suicide mention after what you did to your baby?

You must be taking the piss.

ribeaner · 12/05/2024 22:40

Wheres your first baby you dont seem to be answering it.

livingfreedom · 12/05/2024 22:43

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FuckTheClubUp · 12/05/2024 22:45

Fairypick · 12/05/2024 22:23

Reported for what exactly? If anything I should be reporting the majority of theses comments in all fairness some are quite nasty and people have actually have taken their own lives over things like this that have been said! Not well?? I simply came for advice, input and some form of advice I knew it wouldn’t all be nice and I wasn’t looking for any empathy at that either but my god this is extremely nasty. This really wasn’t a safe place to express anything.

This really wasn’t a safe place to express anything.

You are SO out of touch with reality. You came onto a parenting forum where the majority of posters are women and mothers.

You really thought that you could come here to say, ‘hi, my baby was abused, I know who did it but did nothing about it so baby was taken away. I stayed with the man that abused her, now I’m pregnant, how do we stop this baby being taken from us’ and people wouldn’t respond the way they have?

How many articles have we read about women allowing men to physical abuse and even kill their baby? How many posts have been started on this very same forum where posters can’t believe such a thing has happened. Yet you’ve actually come here, brazenly, to say that you are indeed one of these women who allow things like this to happen.

I have sympathy for anyone who’s been abused. What I don’t have sympathy for is mothers/fathers who allow their children to be abused, don’t report/admit to health professionals, stay in a relationship with them and then go on to have a child with them. I’m so angry at this thread that I need to unwatch it otherwise I’ll probably get banned. Next time find another forum that can be your ‘safe place.’ Here we hold women and men accountable for their horrific actions

LauderSyme · 12/05/2024 23:07

People are understandably getting very angry with OP's responses here, with her attitude and psychological make up. Yet these are all part of a personality type that allows a baby to be violently abused in the first place.

Her parenting history is what it is because she is a profoundly dysfunctional person. She doesn't currently possess the insight to be capable of recognising this.

Karensalright · 12/05/2024 23:17

@Dollenganger333 this is about a woman (with BPD) who was involved in a serious injury to a child and whose unborn baby is going to be removed by all accounts. And you pop in with your post, kinda i rest my case.

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thisisasurvivor · 12/05/2024 23:26

hotpotlover · 12/05/2024 14:54

Ditch the partner. Then (if you have the funds) move abroad (before you give birth).

This is your only chance to escape ss.

No no no

Also to the poster who said get a good solicitor
Also Fck no

You are a serious risk to this baby

Let SS do what they need to

The most shocking mn post I have read
Possibly EVER

Fck sake OP
Fck sake !!!!

DoreenonTill8 · 12/05/2024 23:26

Bigearringsbigsmile · 12/05/2024 20:40

Why do you think drug addicts and alcoholics should be parents? No they shouldn't because they put their addictions before their children's welfare just as you have put your relationship with an abuser ahead of your children's welfare.

This. Ridiculous that op is still seeing herself as the victim in this!

thisisasurvivor · 12/05/2024 23:27

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X 100 million

My
God

yhk · 12/05/2024 23:36

You know, an immobile infant's ribs don't fracture by themselves. An immobile infant's feet don't get bruised by themselves.

If you truly know that you didn't cause those injuries (whether by accident or not), then by process of elimination you will know that it had to have been caused by your partner.

If that's the case, then you will know that these injuries were caused on purpose, as your partner will have immediately sought medical attention for the infant.

Some people have been rather harsh in this thread, but you have to understand the majority of people here are parents and would not stay with a person that has hurt their kids. It's abhorrent, it's despicable and it's one of the most cruel things that a human can do.

Own up to the mistakes that you have made and learn from them. The safety of a child is paramount for a parent. A parent will move heaven and earth to ensure their child is safe. You haven't done right by your children by allowing them to be with an abuser.

In the likely event that your baby is taken by social services after the birth, they will only allow you to care for them once this lingering issue has been resolved.

If you need help, speak to women's charities. Speak to the police. Speak to family.

https://www.womensaid.org.uk/

Home - Women's Aid

Women's Aid is a grassroots federation working together to provide life-saving services and build a future where domestic violence is not tolerated.

https://www.womensaid.org.uk/

Karensalright · 12/05/2024 23:54

@yhk its well beyond help situation if you read all theory’s from OP. Women’s Aid wont be able to help her. Speaking as a person who ran a women’s aid service there is not much they could do.

coffeecakecoffee · 12/05/2024 23:56

I dont think op is coming back.
MNHQ are quick to delete other threads but yet let a child abuser stay on here shameful.

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