Page 34 | Archie Battersebee case-thread 2

whynotwhatknot · 2022-07-24T13:28:21+00:00

ongoing from previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4573803-archie-battersbee-case?page=40

Quia · 30/07/2022 23:14

InAnotherLifeMaybe · 30/07/2022 18:51

I said upthread that they would end up saying that Archie was being executed. Seems I was right.

Remarkable that they’ve gone to the health secretary after the UN.

She's one that because she wants to scare him into delaying things in compliance with the UN request.

That letter has so blatantly not been drafted by the parents - it's got CLC's paw prints all over it.

Quia · 30/07/2022 23:14

Sorry, that should start "She's done that"

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 30/07/2022 23:16

And now come the protests talk..someone has messaged her to see if she will give the go ahead..

BongoJim · 30/07/2022 23:21

1blossomtree · 30/07/2022 22:44

Post with letter edited to say:

Disgusting. The UN have intervened and its with our government so because the hospital no we have a chance they are prepared to break international law to murder my son quickly . Ask yourself why ? What are they worried about?

Oh dear. She clearly does believe he's not dead but very much alive doesn't she?

Quia · 30/07/2022 23:27

I'm dubious as to how he is classified as disabled
Because legally they cannot pronounce him dead as the MRI tests were not accepted as standard tests and Hollie refused to allow the 5 minutes x2 Ventilator withdrawel (I'm sure theres a proper name) so death has not been formally announced

So they are insisting he is alive .

Not quite. The court authorised the standard test to proceed but in the event they couldn't do it because it required a preliminary peripheral nerve test to show that the nerves were capable of reacting, and of course they weren't.

However, as set out repeatedly in this thread, technically Archie undoubtedly is disabled because hemeets the definition and he has not been declared brain dead. None of that changes the medical facts, nor the fact that even if the UN does agree to consider this they will almost inevitably follow the ECHR line of saying there is nothing wrong with our law on removing treatment when it is not in the child's best interests to continue.

AlternativelyWired · 30/07/2022 23:31

Where are posters getting the information about these letters, what Hollie is saying, and protests?

EmeraldShamrock1 · 30/07/2022 23:32

I suspect there will be a very large crowd of people who have no idea of the judgement or medical evidence.

Hollie can't truly believe they're deliberately letting him die by turning off the machines.

There has been many cases where the person would have been better off dead and hospital staff have fought against the odds if they think there is the chance of recovery.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 30/07/2022 23:42

Someone in the FB page is saying Hollie does not want a protest, just peace, so let's hope that happens

FoxCorner · 30/07/2022 23:43

AlternativelyWired · 30/07/2022 23:31

Where are posters getting the information about these letters, what Hollie is saying, and protests?

I assume they are members of the private fb group

nolongersurprised · 30/07/2022 23:44

MrsLargeEmbodied · 30/07/2022 23:42

Someone in the FB page is saying Hollie does not want a protest, just peace, so let's hope that happens

I think she wants a champion - someone to swoop in and make it all ok.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 30/07/2022 23:56

MrsLargeEmbodied · 30/07/2022 23:42

Someone in the FB page is saying Hollie does not want a protest, just peace, so let's hope that happens

Hopefully that will be the case but I'm sure there will be a heavy Police and/or Security prescence .

Wonder if she'll explain this?
to murder my son quickly . Ask yourself why ? What are they worried about ?

RachelGreeneGreep · 31/07/2022 00:56

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 30/07/2022 22:44

No respect for her at all. I feel for the hospital and hope security is stepped up massively.

+1.

What she, and her 'army' are doing, is disgusting.

StClare101 · 31/07/2022 02:33

I think it stopped being about Archie a long time. It’s a completely disgusting way for her to continue to get her 15 minutes of fame.

LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 31/07/2022 10:30

I’m not so sure it’s about fame so much as about having rearranged everything in her head so that her entire identity becomes “fighting for my son”. That simple “heroic mum” narrative is familiar from various media and gives her a more bearable alternative to facing reality.

Of course what is happening is the polar opposite, she’s actually fighting tooth and nail against what her son needs and would have wanted. He has been lost in all this.

It’s all so horrible.

BongoJim · 31/07/2022 10:37

LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 31/07/2022 10:30

I’m not so sure it’s about fame so much as about having rearranged everything in her head so that her entire identity becomes “fighting for my son”. That simple “heroic mum” narrative is familiar from various media and gives her a more bearable alternative to facing reality.

Of course what is happening is the polar opposite, she’s actually fighting tooth and nail against what her son needs and would have wanted. He has been lost in all this.

It’s all so horrible.

It's probably a much easier narrative to live with than why wasn't I aware my son was so unhappy he wanted to hang himself. Clearly she wasn't as close to him as she thought she was if he couldn't talk to her about what was going on in his life leading to the act. And she's never been honest about that either. Internet challenge my arse.

Quia · 31/07/2022 10:44

In previous cases when so-called armies have threatened to protest, the numbers turning up have generally been pretty low. It's one thing to sit comfortably behind a computer screen and emote, it's something very different to spend a lot of money and incur all the hassle of travelling to London if they don't live reasonably near.

nolongersurprised · 31/07/2022 10:47

LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 31/07/2022 10:30

I’m not so sure it’s about fame so much as about having rearranged everything in her head so that her entire identity becomes “fighting for my son”. That simple “heroic mum” narrative is familiar from various media and gives her a more bearable alternative to facing reality.

Of course what is happening is the polar opposite, she’s actually fighting tooth and nail against what her son needs and would have wanted. He has been lost in all this.

It’s all so horrible.

I think it’s also overcompensation. She feels like she failed him, resulting in the hanging, and now, goddammit, she’s going to be the best mama ever. I don’t think she’s in for the attention as such, but she needs to hear what an awesome mother she is.

Once he’s gone there’s a lot she will have to come to terms with, as well. While she’s in court, and “fighting” the hospital she doesn’t need to go back to her home without him. Plus, the inquest will be stressful

Quia · 31/07/2022 10:47

LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 31/07/2022 10:30

I’m not so sure it’s about fame so much as about having rearranged everything in her head so that her entire identity becomes “fighting for my son”. That simple “heroic mum” narrative is familiar from various media and gives her a more bearable alternative to facing reality.

Of course what is happening is the polar opposite, she’s actually fighting tooth and nail against what her son needs and would have wanted. He has been lost in all this.

It’s all so horrible.

I agree. She's living through every parent's worst nightmare and she's being encouraged/pushed into taking some incredibly bad decisions by a supposedly christian organisation and a crowd of hysterics on the internet who in reality have no interest in her or her son. It's a prolonged tragedy.

Sagealicious · 31/07/2022 11:12

While I have sympathy for Hollie (although it's rapidly waning) this has gone on for far too long and isn't fair on Archie (who deserves to die with dignity) it's not fair on her (whose mental health has gotten worse as time goes on) Archie's loved ones and the medical staff.
My heart does go out to her but for someone whose adamant at keeping her son "alive" she and her "army" don't seem to care that those machines could be used for people who do have a chance at life. While I feel sorry for her she is being incredibly selfish. I don't know if that's to do with her mental state or if she's like that normally.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 31/07/2022 11:18

In previous cases when so-called armies have threatened to protest, the numbers turning up have generally been pretty low. It's one thing to sit comfortably behind a computer screen and emote, it's something very different to spend a lot of money and incur all the hassle of travelling to London if they don't live reasonably near

How very true
I've organised more "community efforts" than I care to think about, and while many will shout and demand at meetings, come the day when something neeeds doing and the loudest are nowhere to be seen - doubly so if it involves SM because then they don't even have to leave their chair

No doubt a few spitters and screamers will turn up and be easily dealt with, but it'll quickly fizzle out and the keyboard warriors will move on to the next drama

Narwhalelife · 31/07/2022 12:57

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-archie-battersbees-life-support-27621297

just seen this - haven’t caught up with the whole thread yet so apologies if similar has been shared already

MrsLargeEmbodied · 31/07/2022 13:00

when they tried to organise something before in this case, on the fb page there were absolutely more No's than Yes

BongoJim · 31/07/2022 13:06

Just announced on the radio that life support is going to be removed tomorrow afternoon.

Purplepatsy · 31/07/2022 13:12

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 30/07/2022 18:38

Letter has now been sent as another last ditch appeal

to Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

Dear Mr Barclay,

You will be aware of the awful tragedy our family is going through since our son Archie suffered severe brain damage in April as a result of an online challenge gone wrong. We are grateful to doctors and nurses at Royal London Hospital for the treatment and care given to Archie in the past four months. However, I am sorry to say that throughout that period, our pain and distress has been being much aggravated by the actions of two or three senior doctors at the hospital, and the management of Barts Health NHS Trust.

From day one, the family as well as the treating clinicians have been put under daily pressure from the Trust to give up on Archie, withdraw life support and let him die. After only three weeks, we were dragged into Court at a few hours’ notice. Since then, throughout these three months, we have been rushed from one court hearing to another every few days, having to fight for Archie’s life against a generously funded army of lawyers and NHS managers.

Throughout these months, we were never given even a few days space to cope with the family tragedy. You will be aware that our case now is before the UN Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, who have last night issued an ‘Interim Measures’ injunction to the UK government to keep Archie alive while the Committee considers the case. Under Article 4 of the Optional Protocol to the UN Disability Convention, the interim measures are binding on the United Kingdom as a matter of international human rights law .

Devastatingly, the Trust’s lawyers have responded by telling the family that the Trust intends to defy the UN injunction and to proceed to remove life support from Archie as early as on Monday 1 August .

If this happens, this will be an extraordinary cruelty, and a flagrant breach of Archie’s rights as a disabled person. Archie is entitled to have the decisions about his life and death, taken by the NHS and UK courts, to be scrutinised by an international human rights body. Hastening his death to prevent that would be completely unacceptable .

I trust that you will now act immediately, as a member of the government responsible for the NHS, to ensure that this does not happen, and our country honours its obligations under the international human rights treaties which we have signed and ratified .

Given that Hollie seems incapable of spelling 'execute' correctly and is apparently unaware of the difference between 'they're' and 'their,' I very much doubt that she has written this letter herself.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 31/07/2022 13:17

Given that Hollie seems incapable of spelling 'execute' correctly and is apparently unaware of the difference between 'they're' and 'their,' I very much doubt that she has written this letter herself

No , and I said upthread it would have been populated by her legal team. (Which is what she is retaining them for )

The language in the letter is completely different to her tweets , including spelling etc.
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