Amber Heard&Johnny Depp post verdict

[Miscfeminista]

Continuation of previous thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4560089-amber-heardjohnny-depp-verdict?page=1

and the one before(during trial):

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Also, refresher on DV:

www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/recognising-domestic-abuse/

Facts are obviously not your thing. Heard struck her gf on the arm during an argument and was released without charge moments later. Her gf commented: “Amber is a brilliant, honest and beautiful woman and I have the utmost respect for her. We shared five wonderful years together and remain close to this day.“

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I don’t know why that says ‘moments’, it was meant to say ‘some time’ later.
Afaik she was released the next day. Without any charge. Her gf stated:

“In 2009, Amber was wrongfully accused for an incident that was misinterpreted and over-sensationalized by two individuals in a power position.”

I don’t know why you and people like you are determined to target a survivor of da, but you and all your friends are making life 100 x harder for survivors of abuse.

“Crazy jealous and paranoid about what I’d been up to when he was gone” says Jennifer Grey. Sounds familiar.

I’m not siding with anyone. Just looking at the case objectively.

He’s got you and many other women DARVOd exactly where he wants you.

You can give it up as well @IrisVersicolor

We will never agree.

Not asking you to agree with me, zero interest in whether you do or not.

Don't misquote me. I am not a paid AH bot. Reported.

@AdamRyan

It keeps happening but I’ll never get over how some would die on a cliff for a man(whether celeb or not)who wouldn’t even try attempting to climb one for them. Baffled every time how many women show up for abusers, not blaming them and throwing the”handmaiden”stuff but, baffled.

I find it strange that some people will defend a woman purely on the basis of just her sex.

There are both nasty female and male people in this world, using and abusing others for their own gain and selfishness and if you have been abused you can see the signs of one person not actually giving a shit for the other person.

Amber is no victim, she is prepared to mow down others who get in her way, she was on a mission to advance her own power and worth.

If you take away all of the facts, all of the media, all of the trial, if you were sat in a room with each one of them separately, you would see this lack of care in Amber.
She is completely self absorbed with an innability to see other's points of view and that is apparent by her not even seeing how she is percieved by the world.

She hasn't a clue.
Amber's world only includes Amber, there is utterly no self awareness and how she fits into society. The boundaries are not there, she is dilusional and quite frankly scary and possibly dangerous.

I find it strange that some people will defend a woman purely on the basis of just her sex.

They’re not, they’re basing it on the facts.

If you take away all of the facts

Like you have in your post @Onthedunes ?

To my knowledge, there aren't any YouTube channels set up purely to post hundreds of hate videos on Johnny Depp. That sort of thing only seems to happen to another group of people, can't think who they could be but I'm sure it will come to me.

Anyway, there's a difference between a thread posting factual statements with receipts, and calling someone a turd, posting ugly and demeaning pictures, suggesting that they do sex work etc etc - the sort of content that has been a exponentially higher in number on social media than anything negative about Depp. Is it smearing someone to point out that they are openly supportive of known rapists (plural)? I would say that's of public interest actually.

I find it strange that some people will defend a woman purely on the basis of just her sex.

You're choosing to look at it on the basis of "defending AH" rather than as "being against DV."

Johnny Depp has had a reputation for being a violent, unstable abuser for decades. I've been boycotting his films since long before he met AH, due to his violence, the many terrible things he'd said in interviews, and all of the rumours about him being a domestic abuser (again this was before he even met AH).

It's a real shame that AH obviously has serious issues of her own, but you can't say only perfect victims deserve justice. Actually I think the fact AH is so bloody minded and possibly has a personality disorder is why she decided to fight this rather than accepting a payoff to stay silent like Depp's "good girl" abuse victims.

You condemn victims for not being demure good girls but demure good girls don't fight against abusers.

There's not the tiniest atom of doubt in my mind that he regularly beat and raped her, but some people don't seem to care about that, only about whether she's a "liar" or a "narc" which apparently means she deserved it!

Anyone can end up in an abusive relationship - and even the women who go into them them with no issues at the start, end up with issues as a result of the abuse. Thats why perfect victims are thin on the ground.

Damaged people tend to gravitate towards other damaged people.

And I think that’s what happened here.

^You're choosing to look at it on the basis of "defending AH" rather than as "being against DV.*

No I'm really not, of course I'm against DV, as someone who at the end of my marriage was subjected to an horrendous change in my h's behaviour, it's in the voice.
The recordings (which I agree is only a snapshot of their relationship) just don't do it for me, could I ask if you have yourself experienced physical abuse ?
I experienced both emotional and physical, but physical is off the scale terifying.

They change into some kind of monster and you can hear it coming, they lose control, they don't discuss, they stop comunicating and rev themselves up into rages that scare the fuck out of you.
You hide, you curl up, you remain quiet, you try to get to a place that doesn't put you in as much danger, such as the top of stairs, where they could claim accidents happen.

You hide your phone as best you can and then starts the pushing, pulling, dragging, throwing things at you, no matter what it is. The destroying of your possesions, the damaging furniture, there is no talking such as Johnny was heard doing, no reason, no mercy and definitly no words of winding anything down.

I can hear reason in Johnny's voice

An abuser would never say "don't tell me what a punch feels like" as Johnny did, they would say "I didn't punch you, if I did you would be dead by now"

Yes I had injuries and he ran, he ran because he was in trouble, the authorities can tell if you have just been through hell and you get the injuction straight away and they are carted off to cool off in a cell and charged.

Amber may have ended up in a relationship which she was not happy with, I think she wanted more control over him and because she couldn't get that, she thought that it was abuse but it wasn't, it was Amber being angy that she could not get her own way.

I do agree that Amber has cahoonas for standing up to him and not bowing out gracefully but to acuse him of DV was too much and not the real reason why their relationship broke down.

I don't believe he regularly beat and raped her.

With respect, that's your marriage. That isn't true of all abusers. If it were that easy, we wouldn't have 2 women a week killed by partners and cases like Shana Grice, where the police fined her for reporting her abuse, then he murdered her

www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/14393082/shana-grice-murder-slow-motion-stalker-michael-lane/amp/

It's very damaging to imply that it can only be abusive if offenders behave in certain ways, because its not true and leaves women isolated and not believed.

www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/johnny-depp-v-amber-heard-what-to-understand-about-intimate-partner-abuse-before-taking-sides-184108

I agree with thewheeledavenger. Johnny Depp is clearly abusive, as shown by his words and actions completely unrelated to his marriage.