Amber Heard&Johnny Depp post verdict

[Miscfeminista]

Continuation of previous thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4560089-amber-heardjohnny-depp-verdict?page=1

and the one before(during trial):

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Also, refresher on DV:

www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/recognising-domestic-abuse/

IrisVersicolor

Several posters on these threads have expressed the view that SM should not be relied upon as it supports the wrong person, yet here we have an internet meme that should apparently be applauded because it supports the right views.

Like most of the SM its bias shines through.

I was clearly wrong no-one could think so simplistically.

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Yes, I got that, thank you. I do consider the hoax idea a fairly outlandish view in itself. Admittedly there are different iterations of that but they all involve a lot of complicated manoeuvres over a period spanning years, with no obvious motive other than being a cartoon villain.

I guess 'bias' is a change from 'gaslighting' though. There's me thinking people just have different opinions.

She could have just answered with a straightforward 'No' and saved herself from lots of people going WTAF was that!. Less is more as they say.

Well, I agree. But the question was designed to put her on the defensive. What do you say really, when a pscholo

@Aspiringmatriarch I was reading and by end of line I felt like someone hung up the phone 😂

Lo and behold, juror came out with statement and it confirmed that indeed it was a bad idea to have trial by jury. They sound copy paste of what we been reading online whole time during trial and they used all their wit to dismiss majority of testimonies and go for”eerr she was staring at us too much and she was crying awkwardly. Johnny was much more cool yeah I like Johnny yeah dude me too she’s weird reminds me of my bitch ex”. This was such a mockery of a trial.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/culture/story/juror-johnny-depp-amber-heard-defamation-trial-speaks-85432281

Aspiringmatriarch

Are you saying that your opinions don't have a bias?

Both of them are clearly fucked up, and I suspect have been abusive to each other.

vm.tiktok.com/ZMNFqE6SU/?k=1

This is interesting 🤔

Of course but if we're having a discussion where there are different views, calling that 'biased' just seems a bit pointless to me. It ends up going round in circles. If something is factually untrue that's different.

@Aspiringmatriarch I was reading and by end of line I felt like someone hung up the phone 😂

Sorry, it was late and I ran out of steam trying to remember how to spell psychologist! 😅

But what I am arguing is the narrative created by that cartoon is inaccurate as it plucks some minority comments to form its narrative.

Heard telling the world she had donated $7 million dollars when she hadn’t clearly shows she has no problem with lying which makes it v relevant.

I understand what you're saying, but you still have to believe she lied on a scale involving multiple other people and even writing journal entries and unsent emails over a period of several years. For no real benefit - certainly financially she could have been much better off after the divorce than she was.

Or alternatively, the man who joked about raping his then girlfriend's burnt corpse, has massive substance issues and a history of assault, was in fact violent and abusive to her. I believe that. It doesn't mean I think every word she says is gospel or even that she's a particularly nice person, but only one of those scenarios makes any kind of sense to me.

I think she got tangled up with the donation thing, made a commitment to donate and started doing so but was unable to continue. She could have been more straightforward about it for sure. That doesn't mean she wasn't a victim of domestic violence.

Aspiringmatriarch, the claim that AH planned it from the start citing amongst other things the 2013 email she wrote to herself is heavy on speculation so it holds not much weight to me on whether I think she is telling the truth that Depp beat her up viciously. I care about what she says that is contradicted by the evidence. There is enough evidence contradicting her claims including her own statements that means she is not credible to me. She also has no third party witnesses unlike Depp.

I have shared before on here that a female doctor of Criminology applied a structured assessment of witness creditability, see link below, in IPV allegations to the Depp/Heard case using the publicly available evidence. Whilst limitations are noted the results conclude ‘that the testimony of Ms. Heard is of low credibility, indicating that her account of events might be not truthful.’ 100% conclusive? No, but adds to the side of the scales of that conclude Heard’s allegations are more likely false than true.

www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/24732850.2021.1945836

I have also been ruminating on how those involved in domestic abuse work point out the how victims often fall prey to the harmful idea they must be lily white in conduct to be believed. I was thinking how if Depp did not do the things Heard alleged - and as you know I think it is more likely he did not applying the available evidence - and it was the other way round, he fits the description of not a perfect victim to a T. Depp used foul, misogynistic language when discussing Heard with others, has some documented history of violence to property, has serious substance issues, is rich and male. As Heard said to him in an audio recording who would believe him?

I respect we have both looked at the details of the case and come to different conclusions which of course is fine. Thank you for the discussion.

Very interesting article, thank you for sharing. I would say there are still factors not fully accounted for, particularly in terms of past violence and the violent ideation in his texts and emails, and I think it's assumed that medical professionals are always neutral and professional but there's quite a bit of evidence to the contrary in this case.

The analysis of their conversations shows Amber being the more abusive one but there are other recordings when I would say he shows a lot of contempt and entitlement - telling her she's nobody's mum and to stop pretending to be authoritative, calling her an over the hill stripper, etc. There's evidence in his own words about his jealousy when she's making films, and jealousy was mentioned as an issue by one of his oldest friends.

I also think it's difficult to overstate how much power Depp had - and has - in terms of making things go away if they could be damaging. Lots of NDAs and his former managers stated that he paid millions in hush money to various parties. Don't forget he paid $150 million to Vanessa Paradis when they split, and they weren't married so that wasn't a divorce settlement. He describes her as an extortionist in one of his messages.

Another big red flag for me is his close friendship with Marilyn Manson, defence of Roman Polanski and hero worship of Hunter S Thompson.

There are so many problems with that article, mistakes and wild assertions made with regard to false allegations and domestic abuse, it’s hard to take it seriously, she doesn’t seem very experienced with either.

She claims the evidence on false allegations showing them to be low may represent “just the tip of the iceberg” without a shred of evidence merely speculation on her part.

Such a claim also should also have been put in the context that evidence shows reports of genuine domestic abuse do represent the tip of the iceberg.

I have to go out now so I don’t have time to highlight other examples, suffice to say it’s a strange document altogether.

Back to the drawing board. Been watching the tiktok's. Some are hilarious, like Amber heart's male lawyer being completely starstruck by JD.
Then a lot of reenactments of ' he hit me, I turned to look at him' which are completely stupid. If you're slapped you're face turns sideways so then you might turn back to look at the person. But the tiktoks are showing people 'turning to look' at the door, or the wall, and continuing to converse, trying to show there are holes in her story but they fall flat as her description of events is actually completely feasible.

“Don't forget he paid $150 million to Vanessa Paradis when they split, and they weren't married so that wasn't a divorce settlement. He describes her as an extortionist in one of his messages.“

I think that speaks louder than her statement that in 25 years he was this wonderful whoever. Not to mention she got pregnant very, very soon into their relationship and that has been her life since it seems, kind of stuck with him(I empathise coming from similar situation). Of course you make it work tho I bet she has some horrible behind the closed doors stories. Some women are more aware some less of the unacceptable behaviour, I think there’s a lot that she isn’t saying that are red flags in any relationship. I think Amber would have been another Vanessa if she had kids with him too

“Such a claim also should also have been put in the context that evidence shows reports of genuine domestic abuse do represent the tip of the iceberg.“

This. I hate when people start with”oh who knows how many men are actually abused if we have this sudden numbers”or whatever…as if again, everything can be magically equated and men suddenly swap their place in the world with women and endure exactly the same things women do, only by women. And that’s where the argument stops because it makes no sense when you go further-where are all this physically stronger, richer abusive women upheld by other powerful women that enable their behaviour? Every time I hear this whataboutmencrap my eyes want to roll at the back of my head. Then there’s blatant ignoring that the numbers of women abused are probably still more unreported than men being abused-I say probably because I can absolutely believe that a lot of women during their whole life never even perceive it as an abuse let alone would report anything and unlike men, we aren’t free to abandon our kids if someone isn’t treating us right in any way or if we are unsatisfied”in relationship”

I googled her other papers and she’s written only 3 and they’re all on youth offending.

It’s very obvious from the document that she’s unfamiliar with domestic abuse cases. And also bedazzled by the “wealthy man with a long career in the film industry” (her words).

“wealthy man with a long career in the film industry”

This has opposite effect on me, I would instantly doubt the person’s innocence more or think they had more leverage to be corrupt, I can’t understand how can anyone nowadays still give people(men in particular)moral credibility because they are successful to this or that degree. (And that in turn makes me doubt the person making such judgement as well indeed)

mobile.twitter.com/k4mil1aa/status/1545138435614117888?s=21&t=FbwhDUnAku7OZ_d9m9PUcg

JDs dirt slowly seeping out. There’s plenty for everyone

Also Australia want to extradite her for LYING and the FBI are assisting.

Standing up for a liar only damages real victims

Interesting how we have gone from 'how dare JD post stuff on sm about AH, he is horrible its a campaign against her'

to

'look at all this stuff I found out about JD on sm, isn't he horrible'

Seems that once again some posters have double standards.