Amber Heard&Johnny Depp post verdict

[Miscfeminista]

Continuation of previous thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4560089-amber-heardjohnny-depp-verdict?page=1

and the one before(during trial):

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Also, refresher on DV:

www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/recognising-domestic-abuse/

It’s interesting that some people who have been in abusive relationships clearly identify this relationship as abusive; while some say “well it’s nothing like mine so it can’t be abuse”. As if there weren’t many kinds of abuse. It’s such a mistake.

Sadly these kinds of rigid ideas of what constitutes abuse makes life very difficult for people in abusive relationships.

I respect your views that abuse comes in many forms and there are no perfect victims, believe me I was no wallflower in my marriage but what I do see is the change in Amber.

Her demeanor in court was cold, calm, robotic, disconnected and emotionally it looked false. Now you say that is part of a non perfect victims's story.

I heard Johnny, his voice remained basically the same on the tapes and in court, quieter, considered and still reasoning.

Amber was completly different on tape, the high pitched shrill of narcissistic rage, reving up, raging up, there's only one way that going to end and that's by lashing out, they all do it. I've seen first hand how uncontrollable these people can be and I see Amber as that uncontrollable force.

I think most people see that, even people who have not experienced abuse.

i would fear for my safety if I were arguing with Amber.
She's scary.

On the tapes I hear a person who is terrified of being abandoned.

And a person who's being cold and stonewalling.

Those are common patterns in avoidant/anxious attachment relationships, lots of people have dynamics like that and are not abusive. So the tapes tell me nothing about whether JD was abusive. Except I find the fact he never denies it very telling.

The linked twitter thread shows why I believe Johnny to be abusive and its not to do with his marriage. Its to do with the fact he's been demonstrably violent and abusive to lots of people in lots of settings. There is a proven pattern of behaviour there.

Amber may also be abusive but even so, that doesn't mean he is not an abuser.

the high pitched shrill of narcissistic rage
And this is 1) misogynistic and 2) untrue. "Narcissistic rage" doesn't have a characteristic sound.

Her demeanor in court was cold, calm, robotic, disconnected and emotionally it looked false.

Fairly common in trauma. People talk detachedly about distressing things. It can indicate disassociation.

AH ranged between cool and calm, to emotional when she was recollecting unpleasant experiences.

Some people say the coolness was false, some people say the emotionality was false. Some say the swings between the two were false.

But can you say how you would have come across on the witness stand? Can anyone?

You’re making observations and arrive at very negative conclusions without any logical pathways of reasoning or indeed any evidence.

“I find it strange that some people will defend a woman purely on the basis of just her sex.”

I mean this is what gets me-no one ever defended Amber”just because she’s a woman”but the backlash seemed to happen exactly because she was another woman speaking out. And to believe right off the bat that a woman is abused when she claims so would actually make you more accurate than not believing her according to statistics so there’s that. People throw this”just because she’s a woman”way too often and given above ☝️ I would be wary of the people saying it. I tend to believe women when they say they were abused exactly because it happens predominantly to women in not-negligible numbers. There’s no mystery around it, it’s a given-a global tradition if you will. It has been happening for so long in history, in pretty much every corner of the planet that it’s just not sensational or a novelty anymore(which makes me wonder why people keep being so shocked with the claim as if we’re saying aliens are real or whatever-in fact seems people are more likely to believe there are aliens out there than that abuse is a thing and that it works according to it’s own rules)

the backlash seemed to happen exactly because she was another woman speaking out

This is so true. Convicted predators don't get this level of obsessive hate.

I see Depp has settled out of court with the guy who was suing him for assault. Just like he did with his ex bodyguards and managers.

“Convicted predators don't get this level of obsessive hate.”

This drives me mad! The hypocrisy and double standards through the roof

Also has anyone figured out what was the matter with the juror in the end? I could not understand what happened. Was it that he went instead of his sad, someone making a mistake with his birth date, I couldn’t figure out which was it in the end from court documents

They tend to get weird women trying to marry them…

I see Depp has settled out of court with the guy who was suing him for assault. Just like he did with his ex bodyguards and managers

well thats a surprise 😳

not!

www.newsweek.com/evan-rachel-wood-clarifies-stance-amber-heard-trolling-divides-fans-harvey-weinstein-1726854?amp=1

What do you all think about Evan Rachel Woods? I’m definitely in the group of those surprised by her stance, I actually thought she would support Amber but this doesn’t seem like it

I agree with Wood that she can't say anything without it being taken out of context .

I get exactly what she was trying to say about Weinstein - it was about "guilt by association" not actually anything about how she feels about AH.

She is probably terrified of what's coming for her given Depp and Manson are buddies. I hope she gets off social media for a bit.

I have a feeling Evan Rachel woods tried to distract the narrative from the Manson court documents, she succeeded but not in a good way or the intended way.

I don’t know, it sounds like she’s annoyed that she and her case are being compared to AH. Maybe she doesn’t find AH”believable”and that’s the reason she doesn’t want to be associated with her?

I don't know either re Evan Rachel Wood except she's fighting for her own survival and must be under the most hideous level of stress.

As shitty as I think it is that she's being sued by Manson, it may at least shed some light on the way that victims can have their credibility shredded to pieces in the most unfair way - and will show the same people supporting the abuser. I hope it may ultimately help the scales fall from a few eyes.

Btw I saw this linked on Twitter and I think it's incredibly revealing about the famous audio that did the rounds, from the Australia incident. Basically of five hours of recording, about half an hour was cut and spliced and we still don't know what was taken out, but it does highlight the fact that Jerry Judge mentions bruises on Amber - so it's not the case that she had no visible injuries other than some cuts to her arm. The supposed lack of injuries has been used as evidence that Amber was lying, of course.

Not only was this not in the YouTube video, in fact the commentary specifically says she didn't have injuries. It came into evidence in the UK but not the US (possibly because Jerry Judge has died?)

www.reddit.com/r/DeppDelusion/comments/w5sbl6/brian_mcpherson_incredibly_average_is_lying_and_i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

I thought this was an interesting quote from Kate Moss

She continued: "I know the truth about Johnny. I know he never kicked me down the stairs. I had to say that truth."

Makes me wonder what truths she didn't have to say

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62271532

Yes it's definitely quite specific isn't it... John Galliano is 'not a bad person' and Johnny Depp never pushed her down the stairs. No other comment. Having said that they are apparently still friends so I don't know. She does have pretty terrible taste in men anyway!!

I have to say I wasn’t familiar at all with Kate Moss dating history so I did a quick google search and found that she has a type or a thing for men who look like they’re not fond of showering. Also I kinda regret doing the search because in every single one of those pics she is disturbingly thin. I never noticed until now how very, very, very thin she was/is. It breaks your heart a little seeing women like this after you get used to intentionally avoiding seeing pics like that.

I never noticed until now how very, very, very thin she was

That is literally her USP isn’t it? She was the figurehead of the waif/heroin chic era. Her thinness was the subject of many newspaper column inches back in the 90s (like Twiggy’s was in the 60s).

That’s the thing, I would always see her on some cover or whatever through years but I have no memory of her being this thin. I’m a bit shocked at myself that I either never noticed or didn’t find it alarming

www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/johnny-depp-amber-heard-backfire-1391807/amp/

I'm very surprised the photographic evidence was disallowed

I still think JD was doing DARVO

Good piece from the Guardian:

Arwa Mahdawi on the unsealed docs

Great article
I'm shocked by following some of those links
His team did a very good job of getting some very unpleasant evidence disallowed. But I don't understand how he can say she never injured him emotionally or physically, to get out of having medical assessments and then use the fact she did abuse him as his defence case.

That seems wrong. I hope she can appeal.

But I don't understand how he can say she never injured him emotionally or physically, to get out of having medical assessments and then use the fact she did abuse him as his defence case.

I don’t think that’s what he said though. He didn’t claim in documents to have PTSD due to the relationship whereas AH said she did so that needed to be verified. Her team did well to keep the Jennifer Howell statement out (amongst other things) and his team did well to keep out MM text exchanges (amongst other things).

I haven’t read all the unsealed documents, (because who has time to go through all that!) but they clearly threw everything on the table pre trial and I’m not sure there is anything in that unsealed material which would secure AH’s team an appeal win.

The end to this whole sorry saga doesn’t seem to be in sight.

www.newsweek.com/johnny-depp-swore-declaration-amber-heard-never-caused-harm-damning-unsealed-documents-1729972

"According to the document, rule 4:10 "is to secure or preserve to a defendant the right, in a proper case, to have the injured person examined." In this case, that meant Depp was never legally required to have any potential injuries examined because he claimed Heard never caused him physical or mental injury."