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At breaking point with parenting; have lost hope of it getting better

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kettlesonnow · 02/06/2026 17:08

I have posted about this before but not on this board. I don’t know how anybody can help me (so if I seem to be saying no a lot please don’t take that personally) but I need to reach out.

Basically I feel I made an absolutely huge mistake when we decided to have a second child and this haunts me almost daily. I have read threads on this and most seem to be from women with the youngest child aged under one, so things are still shaky. For us, well, we’re nearly three years in and it’s still fucking awful!

My two are five and nearly three. Apart, they are OK … definitely not perfect but manageable.

Together they are unmanageable and I have really tried to follow the advice and read the books and it hasn’t made any difference at all and I’m still miserable.

They work one another up, they won’t leave one another alone, if one is happy and playing quietly the other intervenes to ensure that ends. They become different people around one another and people who in all honesty aren’t very nice. I am frequently mortified by their behaviour to be honest and I’m conscious that makes me tense up and things more likely to go wrong.

I am now at the point where it isn’t advice on parenting I need but how the hell I can survive this without becoming someone I dislike too. I’ve become irritable and tense, impatient and easy to anger. I’m also absolutely filled with regret for the life I could have known. And I know I need to get past this because I can’t do anything about it now, but I just can’t.

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Twisterlollies · 07/06/2026 11:11

They have no fear or consequences or currency that they care enough about to behave better, and I find all kids now are so grabby and expect stuff bought for them constantly or to be taken places all the time, when I’m trying really hard not to instil those. We don’t give them devices and we have one tv after two tvs in different living areas was a disaster between three of them, we’re doing the 90s parenting there of making them learn to compromise! But Christ it’s dire to live through every day

Oh this resonates with me so much. The expectations of parents now are so incredibly high. And of course we have to do it all while calm, with a smile, whilst also being authoritative. You’re right, they don’t care. I confiscate a toy. So what? Their rooms are like bloody Hamleys, they’ll get another. If I put them in their rooms they just come out. If I cancel a treat they cry and scream, but it doesn’t stop them from doing whatever it is again.

I’ve just been on an incredibly stressful dog walk with both kids where DS screamed the whole time and refused to walk, and DD just relentlessly talked at me as we tried to deal with the dog and pick up its shit.

Nothing is relaxing, nothing is enjoyable. The only respite I will get from this is in 10 years when I can legally just get in the car and drive off somewhere when it all gets too much.

Allswellthatendswelll · 07/06/2026 11:12

kettlesonnow · 07/06/2026 08:53

Because I’m a shit parent but also because he can eat faster than I can move. Have you tried to run after a five year old, two year old and prise a half eaten drumstick lolly from them? Have you? No. Then back off.

They don’t give a shit for any consequences. Like literally don’t. I mean yes in that instance they’ll scream and cry because they have missed something but doesn’t stop them doing it next time.

Yep @Garman , it takes me around two hours to get mine to bed. And then I’m done and spent and I want to go to bed myself. Half the time I don’t even eat. Just go to sleep. I just like lying in a dark room. I have no life and I don’t even care.

@summitfever ive considered it but nothings standing out and he’s never get diagnosed and I’m not sure I want him to be.

@Teapleasemilknosugar you’ve read DH is basically crippled and not here in the week and I have 3 days solo with the little one and still try to have 1:1 fine with them both? Are you offering to PayPal me money for a nanny? No? Then please don’t give me advice that is designed to make me feel bad and clearly I can’t follow it.

DD goes to nursery 2 days a week when I work. She’s doing 3 days next year but I’m working 3 days so no difference.

Can you afford for her to be 4 days at nursery and you work 3?

You sound so depressed about everything I think this is a larger problem than parenting young kids tbh.

ExplodingSmittens · 07/06/2026 11:17

You sound very overwhelmed OP and I totally get that.

Did the GP offer anything? Did they offer to check iron levels or your thyroid levels? Did they offer Talking Therapy or any SSRI?

Does DD get 30 hours at Nursery from September?

And have you read anything about Dopamine seeking?

It sounds as though they both may be Dopamine seeking with their interactions with one another. I know from experience that it can be a very difficult pattern of behaviour to try to change. First you’ll need to try and elevate dopamine naturally and offer ways to help regulate them.

So things like high protein breakfast and snacks. Early daylight. Physical exercise. Weighted blankets.

Reading 10 days to a less defiant child might help too.

It does sound as though something needs to change though. Whether that’s medication for you, more help from your DH or fulltime Nursery and going back to work, what’s happening now does sound like it’s doing you any good at all.

One last thing I’d suggest is doing this simple progress checker for each of them, just to check that their understanding and communication is where it should be. It will help you to evaluate whether you’re pitching your interactions with them at the right level Flowers

pepayfelix · 07/06/2026 11:31

I fully sympathise and to be honest it’s one of the reasons I love working full time.

My two fight constantly and to be honest sometimes we do fall back on tablets, headphones, separate rooms. There will be plenty of posters who criticise that advice but if you feel your sanity crumbling, needs must. We also keep the kids separate at the weekends at least 50% of the time. It gets easier as they get older and can do “individual” activities together like climbing or swimming or whatever. And when birthday parties kick in.

kettlesonnow · 07/06/2026 11:42

Twisterlollies · 07/06/2026 11:11

They have no fear or consequences or currency that they care enough about to behave better, and I find all kids now are so grabby and expect stuff bought for them constantly or to be taken places all the time, when I’m trying really hard not to instil those. We don’t give them devices and we have one tv after two tvs in different living areas was a disaster between three of them, we’re doing the 90s parenting there of making them learn to compromise! But Christ it’s dire to live through every day

Oh this resonates with me so much. The expectations of parents now are so incredibly high. And of course we have to do it all while calm, with a smile, whilst also being authoritative. You’re right, they don’t care. I confiscate a toy. So what? Their rooms are like bloody Hamleys, they’ll get another. If I put them in their rooms they just come out. If I cancel a treat they cry and scream, but it doesn’t stop them from doing whatever it is again.

I’ve just been on an incredibly stressful dog walk with both kids where DS screamed the whole time and refused to walk, and DD just relentlessly talked at me as we tried to deal with the dog and pick up its shit.

Nothing is relaxing, nothing is enjoyable. The only respite I will get from this is in 10 years when I can legally just get in the car and drive off somewhere when it all gets too much.

I relate to this unfortunately. I’ve no idea what consequences to give as they aren’t bothered or they are bothered (thus escalating the situation) but don’t change their behaviour.

I frequently wonder why we have two kids if it’s so miserable we have to keep them apart?I honestly don’t understand why we’ve done it to ourselves 😂

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BertieBotts · 07/06/2026 12:05

TBH I think you are completely overestimating the amount of concern that would come if you ask for help. Ideally if someone was not managing there WOULD be some kind of intensive intervention in order to help you get back onto a more even footing and sort of "reset" things, because it is hard to cycle back from the state where the children are chaotic and attention-seeking, and you are reactive because you don't have the mental energy to be proactive and because it's the only thing which sometimes works. However, in reality there just are not the resources to support every family so resources go to families who are much further into crisis than you are.

But there is a huge amount of in between steps from no support at all because nobody knows you're struggling, to people coming into your home and telling you what to do or (god forbid) removal of children. None of these are especially intrusive but they also aren't likely to become available unless you can communicate to someone that you're finding it hard.

I'm talking about things like antidepressants or anti-anxiety medication as someone else said, funding for extra hours at childcare to give you more of a break or allow for more 1:1 time with each child separately, parenting classes (I know you don't want parenting advice, but it's something which may be offered and sometimes having a chance to discuss with someone IRL can help, you can also refuse), CBT or other therapy for you, a family support worker to help with tasks like housekeeping or just be an extra pair of hands.

You are saying I am at breaking point...they are unmanageable together...I tense up and things [are] more likely to go wrong...I’ve become the most horrible mother lately. I shout; I say things that are awful ... I’ve cried, they’ve cried. It’s horrible.

Something has got to change. I completely hear you saying that you don't have the energy or bandwidth to be driving change. This is the point where it makes sense to say you know what, I've reached my limit, it's not getting better on its own - I need to ask for help. Try something different, even if it is scary, because what you have tried so far has not worked, that is not your fault, you don't need to accept it as some kind of punishment.

As you've said, most threads with people struggling are with the youngest child under one, which means your situation is different to the norm. Your DH's injury is also exacerbating things. Two children is genuinely stressful, many people struggle. But most people find their way into a routine, it's really OK to ask for help when that hasn't happened. We can't do everything on our own. It is not a personal failure of yours to find things hard - we all find different things hard, and not everyone has the same set of circumstances. Sometimes we don't even know how our own circumstances compare to somebody else's.

My eldest DS was extremely challenging but I had no idea. I just thought it was normal parenting and I was shit at it. I really really wish in hindsight that I had reached out for support. When DS2 was born I realised how different it was to the experience with DS1, and then later on when DS2 started to struggle in different ways, I did look for support, and it has been so different. Even though the actual "support" (ie, intervention) has been laughably minimal.

It looks to me like you have two blocks: You think using fear-based discipline might improve behaviour, but you don't want to do this because it is no longer advised. I think this instinct is good; fear-based discipline can result in more compliance in the moment, but tends to increase aggression overall and is not effective to improve behaviour long term. It is likely all the things that parents have always done outside the fear-based discipline which changes behaviour long term. I don't think this would help your situation, because you don't have the other, balancing structures in place. However, you are already veering into this sometimes by shouting, or by "trying to shock them". It's understandable, but it's also the thing you say you don't want to do.

The other block is asking for help, you don't want to do this because you are afraid of, I think judgement? That it feels like admitting you have failed or are weak? Or something happening which you might not be able to control. The thing is, you are already not in control of the situation, you keep saying how miserable it is and how impossible you find it and how you know that your reactions are counterproductive but you are not able to react differently in the moment (which I completely understand, as I have been there). And I also think that the level of intervention you fear is unlikely, or very far away from where you currently are. I wish I could guarantee a sympathetic reception for you for this, because I think that would make a lot of difference. Unfortunately I don't know how easy that is to find, so I do understand how difficult it is to reach out, but I think this is about putting on your own oxygen mask first.

Something has to give, so which one are you going to choose? Are you going to opt for using fear, or asking for help?

kettlesonnow · 07/06/2026 12:15

Thanks @BertieBotts . The problem is I’ve read the books, I’ve looked at the advice and it looks good but in the moment it doesn’t work and I guess I assume that will be the same for a parenting class.

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kettlesonnow · 07/06/2026 12:21

And while I realise it sounds chaotic and dysfunctional it isn’t, at least not most of the time (I’ll admit this week it probably has been sometimes.)

They have a routine; they attend school and preschool, I take them to a range of activities and get them out of the house, I read to them, I talk to them.

But I am finding the combination of them difficult to manage as the personalities involved and the stress levels for me send me over the edge quite quickly.

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Thefunfriend2 · 07/06/2026 12:24

Hi OP, I was on (what I believe to be) your previous thread. I’m the one who has developed some sort of tic in response to my children’s behaviour. I’m not autistic but it’s like stimming, involuntary. I can’t seem to stop myself doing it, even though I am aware I’m doing it.

I remember one weekend DH told me to have a night in a hotel alone to try and recover, try to get some sleep. The next day he picked me up in the car with the kids in the back. They were fighting and I vividly remember wanting to sob. It was like the previous evening never happened. So I completely get what you are saying about a “break” not being the answer.

I’m posting to give you some reassurance you are not alone in this.

Caterina99 · 07/06/2026 12:29

OP it is really hard.

Those are difficult ages and it doesn’t sound like your DH is particularly helpful at the moment. Mine are a similar age gap (now 8 and 10) and it has got a lot easier. They still fight, but they do also play together a lot and they’re just generally not as exhausting to deal with.

i know many people don’t agree, but tablets have been a lifesaver for us. Sometimes the kids just need separate time, and sometimes you just need a break from the kids!

Your DD is not even 3 yet, she is still a toddler. Maybe others will disagree with my parenting but with the sweets example I’d have something to give the other kid. They don’t understand and they can’t regulate, they just want. Yes your oldest shouldn’t be winding her up and should do what you asked and there should be punishment for that. This will happen again and again (trust me!) where one gets given something and the other one wants it, so think up what would diffuse it. Obviously sometimes it all goes wrong and they’ll not be placated by whatever it is you have and just want what the other one has and they have to learn that lesson that they can’t always get what they want. It’s hard and drives you mad, but I truly believe it helps them learn (it just takes your sanity with it when your kids are screaming hysterically over some piece of crappy plastic or whatever that will be forgotten tomorrow)

Sorry that probably wasn’t helpful. And maybe you should consider going back to work more because we aren’t all cut out for small kids all day every day. It certainly helped me.

kettlesonnow · 07/06/2026 12:51

Sure so I should have sweets in the house at all times, every possible variety, in case one comes in with one? I can’t do that! Besides - when she’s like that only what he’s actually got will do! I’m not depriving her to be mean; I just can’t do anything in that moment. Do you see what I mean?

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kettlesonnow · 07/06/2026 13:00

And tbh the days aren’t the problem really as I just have DD. And I will have evenings and weekends no matter how much I work but while I’d have more money, it would also increase my commitments to an unmanageable level. I have to be realistic about what I can actually do.

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Twisterlollies · 07/06/2026 13:01

I’m the one who has developed some sort of tic in response to my children’s behaviour. I’m not autistic but it’s like stimming, involuntary. I can’t seem to stop myself doing it, even though I am aware I’m doing it.

So it’s not just me! Mine is I can’t get my words out - I’ve repeated the same 5 or 6 phrases so many times every day for years that I’ve developed a stammer. To say them clearly I have to actively slowly enunciate every word, sometimes with my eyes closed. The effect this has all had on my previously quite efficient brain is a shocker. I’m surprised I’m still employed - I’m nowhere near as sharp as I used to be.

I feel so upset today, all I can see is at least another 5 years of this. I haven’t been on holiday since 2018, when I got pregnant with DD. I don’t have hobbies because I don’t have time for them. I have friends but most of them are child free, and the one who isn’t has 50:50 of her son so gets plenty of time to herself.

My entire life, 24 hours a day, is childcare and work. I honestly don’t see how anyone looks back and calls it the best time of their life.

Twisterlollies · 07/06/2026 13:04

kettlesonnow · 07/06/2026 13:00

And tbh the days aren’t the problem really as I just have DD. And I will have evenings and weekends no matter how much I work but while I’d have more money, it would also increase my commitments to an unmanageable level. I have to be realistic about what I can actually do.

Sorry to continue to hijack your thread but I’m finding it very cathartic to see somebody as desperate as I am, frankly (much as I wouldn’t wish it on you or anybody else!).

I know what you mean, everyone just urges me to get a hobby or to go away for the weekend. I’m too exhausted to fit any more into my already tightly packed schedule which differs from week to week according to our work responsibilities. The pre planning, expense and rush of trying to do anything just makes it not worth it. My brain isn’t in a place to learn anything new.

Even as I type this I can hear screaming.

ACatNamedRobin · 07/06/2026 13:06

Hi OP, is there any chance you could get some childcare for at least one of them?
Even on a barter basis with someone you know, I'd rather be doing cleaning than enduring this...

rollitonio · 07/06/2026 13:11

I don’t have any advice OP but I just want to say how sympathetic I am. I actually think that it’s an interesting phenomenon how our brains and nervous system responds to fighting children. I was a child once, obviously, I remember arguing viciously with my sister but when it’s my DD I feel desperate and so stressed and miserable.

DelphiniumBlue · 07/06/2026 13:14

kettlesonnow · 07/06/2026 12:51

Sure so I should have sweets in the house at all times, every possible variety, in case one comes in with one? I can’t do that! Besides - when she’s like that only what he’s actually got will do! I’m not depriving her to be mean; I just can’t do anything in that moment. Do you see what I mean?

Obviously things are difficult in the moment, but thinking about what you want and how you want your children to behave and putting into place longterm plans and rules can help.
For example, a family rule that no one eats treats in front of anyone else without offering them some. Or maybe a rule that sweets are always kept by you, and rationed to one after dinner. The children need to know that this is the way your family always does things, no exceptions. So your child would expect to share his sweets with his sibling, or give them to you to deal with. Same rules apply to visiting children.
Think about how you can encourage them to play together...rewards, praise, close supervision. I found that putting one of the children ( not always the youngest) into a playpen helped sometimes, it meant the older child could play their game without it being disrupted by the little one. Or if they are doing crafts at the table, have the younger one strapped into a highchair so they can't interfere with the other one's project.
Parenting young children is intense, it's not everyones cup of tea, you do need to be vigilant and plan ahead all the time, and as you know, you do not get a minute to yourself. That's why routines are important, why consistency is important, so that you're not having to put up with arguments and disputes all the time. If it is not working for you, then you and DH need to have a serious conversation about your working lives. Maybe you would be happier going back to work fulltime. Maybe DH could get s different job so that he is. home more.
I did see what you said about DH being crippled, but that he is still working. When he is at home, presumably he could at least be with the DC, reading to them, doing a seated activity, even watching TV with them but chatting at the same time?
Maybe also get yourself to the GP to get yourself checked out physically - iron levels/vitamin D / other issues that might be causing you to be tirred/depressed/irritable.

Twisterlollies · 07/06/2026 13:18

For example, a family rule that no one eats treats in front of anyone else without offering them some.

Sorry but 😂😂😂 do you currently have small kids?

Twisterlollies · 07/06/2026 13:21

I just went downstairs briefly. DD and DS fighting over a toy car. I did the whole ‘she can have it for a few minutes, then you a few minutes..’ didn’t matter, the screaming continued. I let them in the back garden and while I went briefly to get my shoes, by the time I returned DS had scaled the brick wall and was standing on it with a 5 foot drop to the patio. Another tantrum when I removed him.

I am so utterly sick of being ‘switched on’ and I swear the moment everyone here is mentally capable of keeping themselves safe and making themselves food, that’s it, I will no longer be on duty and everyone can just support themselves

kettlesonnow · 07/06/2026 13:22

You aren’t hijacking it at all, it’s really helpful. We’re at soft play and I’m actually feeling OK, ds has found a friend and is having a great time and dd is playing in a Wendy house and they just seem and feel like ordinary nice children, but at other times when I just can’t seem to get them to cooperate without a full scale battle I feel panicked and overwhelmed. And then I get angry. I know it must be horrible for them. And when they are like this I feel so very guilty.

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GreenChameleon · 07/06/2026 13:28

One thing parenting books seem to miss is that some situations can't be changed. That's not to say consequences are pointless, on the contrary. However, at the stage your DC are at, I don't think there's much you can do to change their behaviour in the short-term. I think you have to focus on your own response to these stressful situations. The problems you describe are completely normal with two DC, but not all parents react the way you do, and it's something you can learn up to a certain point. Janet Lansbury has some very good podcast episodes on this. I also read a number of books on anger management (not related to parenting) and this helped a lot.

kettlesonnow · 07/06/2026 14:21

Janet Lansbury is someone I want to like and say it’s helpful but it just isn’t. I am aware I am not helping matters at the moment but I’m all they’ve got.

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Thefunfriend2 · 07/06/2026 14:23

@Twisterlollies I had an abusive childhood and I think the tic is a response to their arguing and the constant shouting (them not me). I even explained to them in child friendly terms how their behaviour is impacting me. No change - of course. I don’t expect them to understand or empathise but I did hope for some consideration. I know kids are selfish. I guess the truth is I’m being totally unrealistic about what they are capable of. Mine are older (oldest 12) and the world revolves around them. I had hoped for some improvement by now but no.

Twisterlollies · 07/06/2026 14:28

Thefunfriend2 · 07/06/2026 14:23

@Twisterlollies I had an abusive childhood and I think the tic is a response to their arguing and the constant shouting (them not me). I even explained to them in child friendly terms how their behaviour is impacting me. No change - of course. I don’t expect them to understand or empathise but I did hope for some consideration. I know kids are selfish. I guess the truth is I’m being totally unrealistic about what they are capable of. Mine are older (oldest 12) and the world revolves around them. I had hoped for some improvement by now but no.

Oh gosh I totally understand - I also have this kind of background. It must be setting something off subconsciously in us - like we have less insulation when it comes to confrontational situations. I can’t see to cope with the level of screaming and claustrophobia that others can. Sending hugs.

kettlesonnow · 07/06/2026 14:37

I am turning into my parents. I absolutely hate it but am powerless to stop it.

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