I have been sectioned.

[lazyhazydaisy]

I have just got access to the internet. I am much less petrified than I was at first but definitely 0 out of ten. I have a tribunal and if that fails I think I will be here until July. I feel as though I am living in a nightmare. I have never felt so alone.

The police would have restrained her for a reason. - Yes, to protect themselves from possible harm. They do the same - and worse - to frail, elderly patients. As Daisy has pointed out, there are equally safe restraint procedures that avoid injury and humiliation. The police don't use them, they use undue force and wrist cuffs.

As I have repeatedly said, I talk dog for long walk at 5am to avoid meeting anyone.
Ladylucre I posted the police report word by word but it is now deleted. Do you by any chance work for 'mental' 'health' 'services?

At 8 stone and faced with 6 officers I was hardly going to put up a fight but they still dragged me down two flights of stairs and manhandled me into a van in jeans, t-shirt, knickers and bare feet.

You give yourself away by using words like 'care', rather than 'assault' How do explain the handcuffs being so tightly ratcheted that they drew blood? If that is how they treat a person 'at risk', what do they do to people who are not'at risk'?

And, apart from requesting that posters declare whether they make their livings out of this racket, would you answer my questions from 6.22?

Why was I released with no drugs and minimal support, which is shortly to end?
Why did they bash in both doors when there is no access apart from an 8 ft stone wall at the back.

I have repeatedly asked the sectioning social worker to discuss this with me but, after 6 letters from Rethink, she has not replied.

Sounds shitty. Anything we can daisy?

I suspect that the people defending the assault, the terror of unlimited incarceration and diminishing the horror of any hope of a life after that are employed in these hell holes. And I do not enclude the proper NHS in that, just the psueudoscience of mental health. Please make yourself known if you are paid to destroy lives of innocent people.

Please sign your DLA form. Whatever is on that form is just a means to get money, it does not mean you have a hereditary illness or whatever else, it's just a means to an end. That's all.

You do not need to prove anything to anyone and should not be worrying about impressions or what has been 'proved' or otherwise. Just focus on positive outcomes, of which getting a weekly £100 or whatever is unquestionably one. It's just a piece of paper and does not change you or who you are in the slightest.

My brother is a psych nurse. I have no connection with MH services as a professional, but have had treatment from GP and consultant psychiatrist when suffering a mental breakdown following the birth of my DS.

The GP and psych. saved my life. Because of them, DS has a healthy mother who can bring him up the way he needs and deserves.

Daisee, stop attacking people who want to help you.

Daisee, stop attacking people who want to help you.

And why are my notes so full of my fantastic improvement on my drug regime of 800mg per day. (dramatic improvement since increase to 600mg; move up to 800mg) To the point that they tried to get me to play ping-pong (!)
Would this have been included in a study of the efficacy of seroquel if I had not owned up. NO. I simply went home, rang to say that I couldn't be arsed to go back and if they wanted me they could pick me up without bashing the bloody door off.

And why did they then dump me on the street with 4 months of luggage, to stagger to the bus station and pick up my sick puppy. She spent 6 days on a drip. That is you, taxpayer. As is the fraudulent DLA form that stated that I needed supervision 'always' but am apparently too well to have to entertain the drip even for one hour a fortnight.

I honestly know how I stayed sane. I think solitary confinement saved me. That and the old chestnut that if one can survive public school one can survive prison. Although in prison you not only have more rights, you have a release date.

can I just ask you to look at all of this from your DC's perspective instead of your own for a few minutes...

THEY have been through all of this too....their mother was taken to Hospital with 'whatever' symptoms perceived (I cannot comment on what lead up to this point of 'sectioning' being made)Though I know that it is not a decision taken lightly on anyone's 'hearsay' and there has to be a significant back story for this decision finally being made and then there has to be 2 Doctors who make this decision. I am not clear about why you kept refusing to respond to your GP's invitation to go and see him for consultation??? and you couldn't have believed in reality that this was relevant to a septic injury and must have known there were significant reason's that your GP was repeatedly requesting your contact with him?????...you must have avoided this contact for reason's within your own mind at the time???...not simply because you didn't understand and saw no reason...other than possibly not being able to recognise that you were unwell and people were concerned???
Your children have been through, having to leave their home, move school's, you don't know where they are, haven't been in contact with them, who is looking after them?....their world has been turned upside down by all of this......

and you say they have your email but so far haven't made any contact with you? From their perspective...their mother was discharged 3 months ago and is at home and hasn't wanted to see them or talk to them....what do you imagine they are thinking and wondering??? They must have a thousand question's, been worried, anxious and fearful for the future and now wonder that their mother doesn't care when you have made no contact with them at all.....

You can't expect them to sort this out I'm sure they have no idea where to start, even if they wanted to (which I'm sure they would want)....

You seem to be putting all your energies into this thread and creating documents/reams and reams of paper/letters and copies of this that and the other....seeking justice is your only vision and you seem to have no capacity to view things from a balanced perspective to re-build your life positively for yourself or for your children....

Of course there is positive help and assistance out there and on the end of a phone...it seems you do not want to access any help and are consistently avoiding it.
The agencies you have been in contact with have been left unable to help you because you are repeatedly only wanting to focus on the injustice and trauma....you are not defined and are not the sum total of this experience...you are a person with a life, with children and a home but you will not engage in re-connecting with or for your children and what is right for them or yourself.

Your home is unfit to live in but you have not tried to seek realistic help with this either....rat's, no hot water, refuse lying everywhere...the local council could help you, give you safe, decent accommodation whilst I am quite sure there must be some grants or funding to get your house repaired and fit to live in again if you are struggling financially to do this yourself....have you spoken to your mortgage lender...they may be able to release some of the equity which would pay for the repairs???

I fear you may end up being taken into care again if you continue to think you can go on like this much longer....you really need to address the here and now and seek to improve how you are living and what you need to do to re-gain your life into a more positive place...

It is very difficult for anyone to help or advise someone who cannot focus on anything except their trauma and seeking justice and seemingly also at the detriment of everything else....you view any outside resources as negative and scheming and I'm sorry but that says so much about where your emotional balance is at and is the main reason you are in this negative cycle and allowing it to continue on and on like this.

I can see that your experience has been awful for you and I am so very sorry about that and I'm quite sure that you need to be able to talk about it all and here is good for you in 1 way but isn't going to really help you deal with it and put it behind you in some way that allows you to live a more positive life again, that there will be legal recourse and I understand that you want to achieve this goal...I just can't see why you would want to sacrifice your life and your children because of this and I feel your view is very sckewed and unrealistic and very negative to yourself and everyone in your life...

You need stop focusing on what's happened and work on what will happen. The best way for you to respond to people treating to badly and saying that you are unwell is to make it clear that you are not, by going out into the world and not hiding away. That helps nobody, least of all you.

My family home is fit to live in. The roof doesn't leak onto the bed (yet) and the rat situation is under control, entirely through my own efforts. I own the house and I don't feel I qualify for charity that should be used for people who don't own their homes. All (traditional, not unmanagable wheelie bins) are bleached and secure. The council rat man came round and agreed that I had done eveything that he would have advises me to do.

PLEASE do not use the word care. I spent so much time in Ward Rounds correcting this term. That and 'Treatment'

I sincerely fear that my children have been told that their mother was in hospital! How could I explain that? That I am better from an imaginary disease? I am not even going to contemplate that one.

I cancelled a doctor appointment which would have taken me two buses and about 6 hours because it was obvious that the anti-biotics had done the trick. I had no idea that this was interpreted as me refusing a psychiatric condition. I just thought the doctor was being over conscientious and wanted to spare the appoinmnt for someone who needed it for a medical reason.

As an example of medical notes, it states that I constantly turned up at the surgery and caused a fuss. I have only been there 3 times, three times driven by dp and the last by two buses to see a psychiatric nurse who told me that he didn't want to see me again. I put all of this down the the over -conscientiousness of the doctor. This is just one of the many examples that I need expurged from my notes. It took me £20 by taxi to get home from the psychiatric nurse appointment!

Your roof is leaking. Your house is not fit to live in. You need to get it fixed up. Handyman and roof repair. Do it now.

I agree about the DLA form, Daisy.

What people don't understand (I didn't) is that DLA is not awarded on medical grounds - it doesn't matter what your diagnosis, or lack of diagnosis. You can even write that you were hospitalised for suspected [range of conditions] but, 7 months later, were discharged without a diagnosis.

The awards are made according to your incapacities. You're not cooking for yourself, are you? Therefore you're not currently capable of using a hob: the exact terminology is "unable to prepare and cook a main meal for yourself. You need to think about preparing a meal from raw ingredients using a conventional cooker. Heating up tinned or frozen food, or using a microwave, does not count as cooking. ... Even if you are physically able to cook a meal you may still qualify if you have problems with concentration and memory which makes it difficult to complete the process." The form includes lack of motivation as a cause.

If the drips have filled it in for you, use their replies and add your own opinions as needed. There's a large space at question 53 (iirc) for your own remarks. Being in need of care "all the time" qualifies you for highest-rate care allowance, which is £77 a week. You should also get lower-rate mobility because you're scared to go out normally. This is £20 a week.

Both allowances are hard to get and presumably the drips know how to get it, so I'd recommend going with it. You could use the money for a private therapist (about £80 a week) for some proper interpersonal ranting & problem-solving :)

I am not going round telling people that I have been unwell, anymore than I am going to claim DLA on the fraudulent basis that I need supervision. Both would be lies and I didn't spend 4 long months in that hellhole to lie.

How would they know that I was discharged 3 months ago? I have no idea what they have been told. If they ask me I will show them the MHA and show that I was illegally imprisoned in a place worse that a prison. I will also try to tell them not to take drugs; I have seen what drugs do to people.

Again, if anyone wants to help, join Rethink (£12pa). They saved my life. They didn't patronise me.

Or just accept that my darlings are fucked and create a trust fund to pay for their therapy. I refused to leave that shithole until I got some justice, and to protect them from the imaginary hereditary diseases.

I don't imagine that I will see them again anyway. I coudn't cope and I doubt that they coule. They are fucked and so am I.

I am not quite sure, although garlic's statistics are interesting, how anyone can exist after the day by day terror of that experience.

Maryz

garlic,your post about pts commonly dumped out if hospital is alarmist and incorrect please refrain from making such inflammatory statements

in England s117 mha confers a statutory duty upon nhs/la to provide aftercare and it is free of charge to Pt

this aftercare is not completely defined but inc accommodation and la meets the cost

the op has been sectioned, she will be subject to s117 and aftercare package

I completely appreciate your logic, Garlic, but that would be

• Fraud
• Admitting that I have a disease that I do not have and which might well impact on my dc

Hate to contradict Scottish Mummy but I was dumped on the street with 4 months worth of luggage, no dog, 45 miles from home and a sick dog to pick up.

My aftercare involves a drip turning up once a fortnight for an hour and explaining how he can't help me with anything. I am not sectioned or anything. Is it differnet in Scotland, assuming you live there?

Stunning, I have sent the invoice to the Trust, Haven't got estimate for door yet,

Estimate for roof: £5750
If not fixed quickly and joist collapses: "20,000

I don't have that money. I have CC'd the invoice to Alcatraz, my MP, Alcatraz MP and others. I have done a bodge job with duct tape to keep the Niagra falls at bay.

SM, I don't know the legals nor do I know how effectively they are applied. I do know the situation I described is common. If you criticise people, who don't get the benefits they are entitled to, as mentally unequipped to do so then you're employing circular logic. They've been deemed well enough to leave hospital but are not fully well, having just been ejected from a hospital. Why aren't they driven home? Why doesn't someone sit down with them and extensively explain their entitlements, and why they should make use of them?

This clearly isn't happening. I spent the year of 2004 attending thrice-weekly group sessions with ex-patients. I know they were abandoned, unaware of any entitlements, and unsupported in seeking support. And these were the ones who made it into the groups, therefore aware of and seeking support. Lots more don't.

It's all so back-to-front!

Your DC aren't fucked. There is still a way for them to have a mum. You just have to accept the invite your ExP gave you to go and see your son. Go from there and see what happens. I fear you are damaging them far more by refusing to see them and instead focusing on how much money you can leave them.

Not seeing exp without a shotgun license, and I would be afraid that blowing his head off would upset the kids.

Have another look at the DLA form, Daisy. You don't have to admit to any illness. You'd need to admit that you're not cooking for yourself, going out to meet people or sleeping at night. This is all true. You can write and cancel it when such is no longer true.

Are you afraid you'll cry when you see DS? Or afraid of rejection??

If you are of the belief that you are mentally well, then get showing that to your children. Let's move away from it just being you involved in this and look at the bigger picture..

You prove to them that you are perfectly well like you keep stating. Let them have a chance to build from this too. You are their mother, so concentrate on giving them the life you want them to have. This should be your priority.

Whatever you feel has happened then for the moment put that to the side, deal with that after. Concentrate on your family.

Somehow I don't think you will though.