I have been sectioned.

[lazyhazydaisy]

I have just got access to the internet. I am much less petrified than I was at first but definitely 0 out of ten. I have a tribunal and if that fails I think I will be here until July. I feel as though I am living in a nightmare. I have never felt so alone.

Maryz, you are unfailingly kind

Lazy; thanks I will look at the links later. I wouldn't have heard about that.
Larry; thank you for saying that you are not involved in mental health. Nor am I. Nor will I again until they pay for the damage to my house, My solicitor advised me to have a drip round once a fortnight but all they have done so far is try to get me to commit fraud and assure me that they will give me no practical help, There is no chance of me getting involved with humanity or the community; my own humanity has been destroyed in 3 parts:

1. The police assault (documented)
2. Four months of incarceration with no release date, no humanity and constant fear of arse cocktail
3. The rest of my life. Have no hope on this one.

hi maryz thank you for being kind and not accusing me of all sorts of agendas :)
i hear you. i am not emotionally involved. just want to help if i can. don't profess to know the situation, have never met the poster so cannot even judge it. just going on face value as i would anyone and listing orgs that i know of that can assist in real life. but i do believe that daisy has made progress by contacting mind, sane etc and focusing on the house repairs. i think there is power in talking and online support to encourage. tis all. ty tho. if you want to pm me do.

aesop can you not see daisy is
Mentally ill. No amount of help you write on here is going to help her. It is making the situation much worse!

if she follows up links to real life help and continues communicating with mind etc then it will have been worth it to me and that is my focus. i would never judge somebody i have never met as mentally ill or not. how can i?

I would not put my kids through something as vulgar as a 'contact' centre.

I am bored of answering the same questions. I have no hot water or heating and the drain is blocked due to expanding foam filling in the rat holes

aesop you seriously need to sit and re read the whole thread if you think everything is hunky dory here. Sorry to be harsh but it's true

It would be helpful to me to know which posters are employed in these hellholes. There appear to be quite a few. And it is odd that the consensus on mn is that mental health should not be stigmatied but when I tell you that I never leave the house and leave the key in the front door I am accused of being mentally ill.

But you walk your dog twice a day.

daisee, its not the fact that you leave the key in the door that makes me (and others) think you are unwell, it is the fact that you are actively planning your suicide.

Recognizing mental illness and delusional thinking is not the same thing as stigmatizing mental illness, daisy.

where did i ever say i thought all was hunky dory? this is bizarre.
for the last time- daisy needs real life support. i want to encourage her to access it. she needs practical solutions too (house/water etc). she needs to eat etc. i have repeated this and repeated it and i don't understand why i have to keep doing so.

It's not healthy to not leave the house, to plan suicide, to not eat, to isolate yourself. All thinks you have said you are doing. It's a sign of an illness which needs support, care and treatment.

Yes I do work in MH - and I'm very proud of that. I do not recognise myself or my colleagues in your accounts, at all. We are not evil, powercrazed people - we're people who do a tremendous amount to keep people alive and to help them get to a better place.

I'm not saying you did I just think you need to see she needs more help than any of us can give.
I stated helping and soon realised I couldn't.

Daisee, I have had experience in my family of mental health services and it is terribly upsetting for them to be involved, and no, I don't think they always get it right. That said, and I am not patronising you, I dont think you sound very well right now. Not wanting to see your children, not washing, not taking care of your living space, not sleeping at normal hours. I get you are traumatised, but reading your posts saying over and over again that you want to kill yourself is terribly upsetting and scary.

Please please call SANE or the crisis team. You deserve to remake your life and your kids deserve to have their champion igloo making mother back in their lives. You have nothing to be ashamed of and there is no reason for them to be better off not seeing you.

Very best wishes

I'm sorry that's not how you've experienced MH services - but you have said on this thread that you will not let them help, that you actively deceived them, and have been disparaging throughout. I don't doubt you have had an exceedingly difficult and traumatic time - but throwing away all services and staff will not get youth a better place than you're in now.

The only person that can change your situation is you - you have the right to request a different CPN, even a different team altogether. Or you can stay stuck in the same place you're in now. That's your choice. Many of us on this thread would be happy to support you towards accessing services on your own terms - you DESERVE to be happier and healthier than you are now.

pickles i am agreeing that she needs more help than we can give. there is tons she needs help with. but that doesn't mean that she cannot talk here and people cannot help her focus, motivate her, encourage etc does it? nobody here has said it can be sorted here ever. this is i hope a springboard to other help and contains resources.

i am glad that you do not recognise your collegues ow. however i have seen the results of psychiatric abuse and so have orgs like sane and MIND. if it didn't happen then why does POVA exist? the mind website is full of info in regards to abuse by staff and the system and mind have campaigned for years to better the mental health act and representations. advocacy sprung from this. it does happen. either way the priority imo is for daisy to get real life support and get her house habitable. the rest is stuff for later.

do you still have your advocate daisy?

I don't doubt there are some MH staff who are less than effective. But Daisee is wholesale writing off ALL staff and all services that are NHS - which is the least helpful thing possible here.

I now train MH nurses - as a lecturer - after many years of working with people who were struggling. I also work closely with audit systems and with complaints so I DO recognise the difficulties in the system. I don't recognise 18 staff in a restraint. I do think that SOME of Daisee's perceptions MAY be skewed currently, as a result of either trauma or ongoing illness. I think it's helpful to redress the balance of accusations - like that nurses find restraint a perk of the job - as that is simply not the case.

yep ow i see what you are saying. but i guess if i had been sectioned and dragged off then i would also have a pretty bad view of all statutory services too :( is why i tried to focus on mind who are a much different support system and she has contacted them which i am glad about.

I absolutely agree - but not all services or people are the same - and, similarly, help at this stage could avoid a repeat of the initial experience. It's one of the paradoxes that I used to work damned hard to overcome - that without MH support, situations DO deteriorate leading to experiences like being sectioned, which is almost universally difficult not because of 'brutality' or 'abuse' but because of the loss of control. So, letting MH services in before it reaches that point is far better than having months of slow deterioration - but the fear of the worst case puts people off. I desperately wish OP would seek support - whether she was unwell or not when hospitalised, she's certainly not healthy now.

Nobody is saying being sectioned is a pleasant experience. It is not. But there is a reason for it. There are some inconsistencies in the OP's story. It is odd that every person whose care she was in from the minute the police arrived at her house, until discharge were abusive. That I do not believe. The police would have restrained her for a reason. They were transporting a person at risk. Perhaps she felt traumatised from that and then felt she couldn't trust anyone.

i agree ow. have worked in good places and bad but the bad just finished me off so i went into advocacy. i really think we should be encouraging daisy to 1) do the basics such as eat/ sort house etc and b) reach out to real life help. that could be cpn or charitable sector, charitable (mind et al) would be far less threatening at this point and do not have "power" to do anything but support. who knows what could branch from there? we are not so far from the same page you know

I am actually not quite sure what the point of the OP is now.
Daisy has said she needs to talk and to get her story told. I would have thought a Mental Health forum was the ideal place for that.

Clearly she does not want advice or help.
Daisy has accepted advice and help, and is seeking more.

She states that she has loads of support.
She was being sarcastic about the "support" she's received, which comprised drugs and patronisation, followed by visits from a care team who told her they couldn't provide the care she (reasonably, imo) requested.
At no point has been given talking therapies.
Are you surprised she needs to talk now.

Please please call SANE or the crisis team.
Daisy called the crisis team so often, they've told her not to call them any more.
She has contacted Sane. She has spoken to Mind.

As I've just illustrated, recent critical posts are accusing Daisy of wanting things she hasn't said she wants and of refusing to do things she has already done. This must surely heighten the sense of having an alternate reality forced on her.

I don't know what some people think MH services provide in the UK, but they sure as hell don't turn up with a magic wand and a home repair kit. Patients are commonly dumped in the street, with their life in pieces and no useful support.
This is why so many suicide after release.
If those suicides are all due to 'mental illness', how come all the patients were discharged?

To answer my own question: Having been deemed "not ill enough" to take up space in a psychiatric hospital, they are expelled into circumstances which even the healthiest and best-supported adult would find hard to cope with. Having just spent months in an institution which infantilises, ignores and drugs them, they are not the healthiest and best-supported of adults. They can't cope but there is no support.