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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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prettybird · 10/09/2019 00:33

5 fewer voting "for" the motion than last time - and just nearly 200 less than required Grin

chomalungma · 10/09/2019 00:34

An extra £250 million a week?
I thought it was £350 million a week.

Is Boris lying?

NotaRealLawyer · 10/09/2019 00:36

I'm away.
Night all, thanks for your most excellent company. zzzzzzz

AutumnCrow · 10/09/2019 00:36

Nicky Morgan's itching her face as she calms the fuck down ... All the signs, I tell you, all the signs.

prettybird · 10/09/2019 00:38

BJ-Cummings has just explicitly admitted illustrated what is so fundamentally wrong, duplicitous and iniquitous about prorogation (see, I can use long words too Wink): that parliament is being shut down, no oversight even from select committees let alone the HoC, yet his government can continue operating Angry

HesterThrale · 10/09/2019 00:43

Well, no election till late November at the earliest.

Who knows what will have happened by then?

Another unpleasant Brexit Party candidate discovered, in JC’s constituency.

Brexit Party candidate eyeing up Jeremy Corbyn's seat embroiled in offensive tweet row

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-party-candidate-who-wants-to-take-jeremy-corbyns-seat-embroiled-in-offensive-tweet-row-a4232006.html

SistemaAddict · 10/09/2019 00:43

Night night all. Sleep tight.

chomalungma · 10/09/2019 00:49

It's not hard..if someone is speaking, listen......

Parliament is disgraceful

Apileofballyhoo · 10/09/2019 00:50

Caroline Lucas was excellent on the need for a written constitution.

chomalungma · 10/09/2019 00:52

Caroline Lucas was excellent on the need for a written constitution

It was hard to hear her because of the shouting.

Apileofballyhoo · 10/09/2019 01:03

I've stayed up to watch prorogation. I think it will be the last one of relatively normal times. It's a historic one, one way or the other.

PestyMachtubernahme · 10/09/2019 01:05

If they keep sitting, could it still be yesterday in the middle of next week?

boatyardblues · 10/09/2019 01:06

Pmk

chomalungma · 10/09/2019 01:11

Why is there commentary on this?

RosinaAlmaviva · 10/09/2019 01:12

Staying up too for the prorogation. Actually really wish I was in the gallery. I've done a tour of the Houses of Parliament but never attended a debate.

chomalungma · 10/09/2019 01:20

What's going on

Seeingadistance · 10/09/2019 01:24

Good for Bercow!

pigeononthegate · 10/09/2019 01:25

Wow

Apileofballyhoo · 10/09/2019 01:25

Well done Bercow.

enochroot · 10/09/2019 01:26

I'm glad I stayed up!

pumkinspicetime · 10/09/2019 01:26

Glad he spoke up.

Janeaustensquill · 10/09/2019 01:26

Speaker unleashed! MPs shouting “shame on you. “. Glad I didn’t go to bed.

Apileofballyhoo · 10/09/2019 01:27

For those not watching - John Bercow said he would fulfil his role in the proceedings but was that he was making the point that it not a normal prorogation in any way, shape or form.

Apileofballyhoo · 10/09/2019 01:28

I'm glad I stayed up too.

chomalungma · 10/09/2019 01:31

Good God, who writes this stuff.....