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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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Apileofballyhoo · 10/09/2019 00:13

It's very hard to listen to all the rubbish talk. How they can actually lie I don't know.

Dontlickthetrolley · 10/09/2019 00:14

I'm watching a lot of this on mute!

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 10/09/2019 00:18

Division. At last

chomalungma · 10/09/2019 00:18

Divisssiooon

Finally!!

AutumnCrow · 10/09/2019 00:18

I've got headphones on now to save the neighbours from the racket.

NotaRealLawyer · 10/09/2019 00:18

Divisiiiioooooooonnnnn!

phew

MarshaBradyo · 10/09/2019 00:19

Finally I keep muting too

prettybird · 10/09/2019 00:19

Look at all the SNP MPs abstaining Grin

Outsomnia · 10/09/2019 00:19

Hazard,

As long as the bar and restaurants are open! Then the vote at stupid o'clock, and then a five week break in such turbulent times.

But this thread (and follow ups) will I am sure stay open notwithstanding the prorogue.

With great appreciation to Red Tooth Brush. Has kept the dialogue open here. Better than any MSM. We have all views, that is the difference. Leavers are a bit quiet though I think right now. But let us see what happens.

Outsomnia · 10/09/2019 00:22

Bercow will be missed.

He is both hilarious and tough on outliers.

Alsohuman · 10/09/2019 00:22

Loads of abstentions.

AutumnCrow · 10/09/2019 00:23

Maybe Nicky Morgan has a slight itch up her nose? Of the sort that Johnson is probably desperate for right now to counteract the Courvousier.

SistemaAddict · 10/09/2019 00:23

Ffs I was tired this morning and promising myself an early night but I don't want to wake to news so here I am still awake and wondering wtf in general.

Some good speeches tonight. Jo Swinson might not know what a woman is but I like her eloquence and calm yet passionate style. I have noticed over the months the general misogyny and lack of respect for anyone female speaking. They are drowned out far more.

SistemaAddict · 10/09/2019 00:25

Are SNP abstaining to prevent a majority like last time?

AutumnCrow · 10/09/2019 00:26

Yes, the next speaker is going to have to be very conscious of the misogyny.

Apileofballyhoo · 10/09/2019 00:26

There's just going to be another lot of roaring at each other now after the result is announced.

It's disheartening when you're listening to a Conservative and thinking they're a good one just because they are not lying and not shouting.

prettybird · 10/09/2019 00:26

Quite an indictment of BJ-Cummings' record: 6 for 6 lost so far in his premiership - about to be 7 for 7.

He's now lost more votes (and not won any Wink) in his 8 days of being a PM with Parliament in session than Blair lost in his entire 10+ years as PM Grin

Shaaaaaame WinkGrin

MarshaBradyo · 10/09/2019 00:27

Jo Swinson holds her own well and yes it’s a sexist environment in there

Sad Bercow is leaving, he makes watching it more enjoyable

AutumnCrow · 10/09/2019 00:29

Yes, the SNP aren't against a GE and don't want to be seen to be against a GE, but they're not going to pander to Johnson so he can set a GE date after a crash out that's a disaster for Scotland.

Apileofballyhoo · 10/09/2019 00:30

Quite an indictment of BJ-Cummings' record: 6 for 6 lost so far in his premiership - about to be 7 for 7.

When the history books are written, students will be wondering just how the dictatorship managed to take power when they lost all those votes at the beginning.

NotaRealLawyer · 10/09/2019 00:30

When MPs voted last week on the same motion only 298 voted in favour of holding an election. ( BBC)

prettybird · 10/09/2019 00:32

As expected Smile

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 10/09/2019 00:32

293, slightly less.

Alsohuman · 10/09/2019 00:32

Worse than last time.

NotaRealLawyer · 10/09/2019 00:33

293 Aye
46 No
Not enough, need 2/3 majority.