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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/09/2019 12:23

Zugzwang has been used a lot to describe the UK's Brexit situation
Especially by those who invented the word

woodpigeons · 11/09/2019 13:22

Bercow said Only the government can recall Parliament.

DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 13:34

Bercow said Only the government can recall Parliament

But that assumes prorogation was lawful ?

NoWordForFluffy · 11/09/2019 13:37

It's an interesting situation. As it's null it's cancelled out. So if it is cancelled it doesn't need to be reopened, surely?

MockersthefeMANist · 11/09/2019 13:39

Don't need to recall something that was never prorogued in the first place.

DGRossetti · 11/09/2019 13:45

It's an interesting situation. As it's null it's cancelled out. So if it is cancelled it doesn't need to be reopened, surely?

Even if the actual effects of prorogation - no biscuits in the caddy, that sort of thing - require action to reverse, the legal position is parliament isn't prorogued. So in theory if they can't actually meet in the HoC, then wherever they are constituted by procedure should count.

Anyone who got "The Bah Mitzvah Boy" will understand Grin

OhYouBadBadKitten · 11/09/2019 14:23

According to SODEM, Bercow has just gone into the House of Commons.

Jux · 12/09/2019 15:36

prettybird my OED of Etymology says 1857. It's the 1966 edition, so perhaps if we could look at an even earlier edition it'll say more Grin.

Jux · 12/09/2019 15:41

'Stymie' is a very familiar word in my family. Our connection to Scotland is tenuous at best.

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