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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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CurlyWurlyTwirly · 09/09/2019 19:43

Thank you for your clear summaries @RedToothBrush
Better than any newspaper

Septembersunrays · 09/09/2019 19:44

Rats in a corner?

Our pm shouldn't be in a corner, he should be supported and backed by fellow mps.
This has not happened, parliament has shown its hand. The time for scrutiny and chat is over.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. Parliament is smashing democracy and making a mockery of the law.

ListeningQuietly · 09/09/2019 19:48

For the Duke of Wellington to leave the Tory party is just astonishing.

There are only 12 dukedoms of which six are held by direct relatives of the monarch.
FFS his ancestor's address was "Number 1 London"

The Tory Party has been killed by Brexit in the same way the Tea Party killed the GOP in the USA

AvengerDanvers95 · 09/09/2019 19:49

BoJo attempting to blame the Irish government for the utter disaster that No Deal would be? Angry disgusting individual.

Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner
BlackeyedGruesome · 09/09/2019 19:55

Thanks for the summary.

mrslaughan · 09/09/2019 19:56

I think you are mistaken @Septembersunrays we actually live in a democracy- parliament is doing its job..... we don't live in a dictatorship.....yet

DarkAtEndOfUK · 09/09/2019 19:59

Johnson is not my PM. He has no mandate for what he is doing. If you do not know the role of Opposition in Parliament, @September, learn it now - and ask yourself why so many are arrayed in opposition, from all parties. Parliament is doing its job, for once.

lljkk · 09/09/2019 20:04

Were the promises of Leave campaign always at odds with British constitution & obligations under international law & to the GFA?

I'm beginning to think so. We still get people insisting "but a majority voted for Brexit!!". Coz they reckon "majority" trumps any other rule of law I guess :(.

Septembersunrays · 09/09/2019 20:07

I'm far from mistaken.
I'm wondering why a vote has not yet been implemented, and not only has it not happened there is talk of never implementing it. And many people seem to think this is acceptable because it concurs with what they want.

Very very scary stuff.

MarshaBradyo · 09/09/2019 20:07

Incredible

ListeningQuietly · 09/09/2019 20:09

I'm wondering why a vote has not yet been implemented
Because the hard Brexiters led by Bozo and JRM blocked it when TM had an agreed plan.

minesagin37 · 09/09/2019 20:10

What's to stop them shredding their private messages?

DarkAtEndOfUK · 09/09/2019 20:11

It was an advisory vote with no detail of a plan, that's why it wasn't implemented. It was rather like having a vote on whether we should have a colony on Mars. A little short on details like - when? what sort of rocket do we need? Do we have knowledge of how to sustain life on the trip? What about sustaining life when there?

It doesn't matter how many people would vote yes - there should have been an actual plan on the table before article 50 was ever triggered. It's become clear that there is no plan even now.

ConorMcGregorsChin · 09/09/2019 20:11

For all of you politically minded people, who may be looking for a new job (and I ask this after working for the government in a similar in a similar role)

Do you fancy this?

Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner
MarshaBradyo · 09/09/2019 20:12

DExEU looks good doesn’t it

Get that on a business card

Belindabelle · 09/09/2019 20:15

When will Yellowhammer be published?

I need to get on with more forward purchasing before all hell let’s loose.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 09/09/2019 20:18

I do hope there isn't someone around with the username september floating around or they'll be completely bamboozled! Blasted phone corrects never work, grumble Blush.

ConorMcGregorsChin · 09/09/2019 20:20

Seriously scary.
Border Force are recruiting 80 plus people in my area alone. And yes, they have made a new department dedicated to leaving the EU. Policy advisors in Agriculture, Fisheries and general new policy advice / making. Smacks of not having a fucking clue of what they are doing - but then I did a similar job 20 yrs ago. I felt compelled in my 20s to make a difference. I have strong views now. It would be amazing to get the right people in these roles. It's been said before that the people at the top know fuck all. They are advised by civil servants who are much lower paid. I know this because I've been there. I want to make a difference but it's a very hard place to be in.

OublietteBravo · 09/09/2019 20:21

Thanks for the excellent summary RTB

cherin · 09/09/2019 20:24

conor particularly scary if they still don’t know the rules they’ll have to enforce! But I’ll take ages to get people vetted and trained in that sector, it surely doesn’t help for Halloween...

Horehound · 09/09/2019 20:25

Pmk

Myriade · 09/09/2019 20:26

PMK

fedup21 · 09/09/2019 20:26

What's to stop them shredding their private messages?

I bet that’s exactly what they’re not all doing as we speak!

Are the chances also high that the government will release a heavily watered down and edited version of Yellowhammer?

NotJustACigar · 09/09/2019 20:26

Pmk

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 09/09/2019 20:26

thanks red

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