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Westministenders: The One Where Everyone is an Election Expert For 3 Days

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RedToothBrush · 24/05/2019 17:40

The Vote has been cast.

The PM has quit. SHOCK!

We now face The Big Wait.

Waiting for the results. Waiting for the new leader. Waiting for a new direction.

Turnout looks likely to be up overall compared to 2014. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing isn't clear.

At this stage realistically the only definite thing that I think you can actually speculate is the LDs have done very well indeed. Turnout is up in all traditional LD areas and remain areas in general. Though some LDs are getting a little carried away.

Does this mean that the Brexit Party will do badly? No. Its merely a reflection of demographic polarisation. And it may indeed help the Brexit Party ironically. It does suggest that Labour hasn't done well in the north (difference with 2014 turnouts worst in Labour areas) and there are hints that the Cons have done badly (Lincolnshire turnout for the locals was lower than for the EU elections). Something is happening in Wales. But no one seems to really understand what. Its gone 'rogue'!

Plus there are far more leave areas than remain ones. The increases in turnout possibly aren't enough to make a significant dent on the Brexit Party lead.

Not much of an increase in turnout in places like Derby, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool, Basildon, Leigh - which all have high leave figures suggest that the Brexit Party are not motivated those they persuaded to the polls for the first time in 2016 for the Ref to vote. Instead it means they can only increase their vote share with a further collapse in the Lab / Con vote from 2014. The question with this is how close were UKIP to the ceiling vote? If you didn't go with UKIP in 2014 would the ref change that? Does this mark it harder for them to hit close to 38% vote share? Argueably yes - but don't get too excited yet either. It doesn't mean they won't do very well, if there is a Lab/Con vote collaspe like the locals. I still would not be surprised by a mid-thirties result.

Psychologically the popular vote matters. This might be important for the future. The vote of those extra referedum voters hasn't been motivated by another protest vote under Farage. Who is going to try and court them? This affects the direction of all the parties.

The real issue is how the seats split down. With the vote fragmented between the LDs, Greens, Plaid and SNP the ranking is against them. And works for the Brexit Party.

Meanwhile Boris Johnson has vowed to crash the UK out the EU without a deal.... what internal numbers is he aware of???

Results due after 10pm Sunday.

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RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 22:31

Bath & North East Somerset (South West) result: LDem: 35.0% (+20.9) Brex: 26.5% (+26.5) Grn: 20.6% (+4.3) Con: 6.8% (-20.5) Lab: 5.4% (-9.6) ChUK: 2.9% (+2.9) UKIP: 2.3% (-22.5)

Bolton (North West) result: Brex: 35.8% (+35.8) Lab: 27.0% (-8.5) LDem: 13.0% (+9.8) Con: 8.6% (-10.4) Grn: 7.8% (+3.0) UKIP: 4.6% (-27.3)

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HazardGhost · 26/05/2019 22:31

Eat the quality street! Xmas is ages away...

tobee · 26/05/2019 22:31

Thornberry even. Not impressive shadow foreign sec

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 22:33

Thornberry's contemptuous tweet for that house festooned with Union Jacks back in the 2015 GE
killed off any chance of her becoming leader

Unless Labour want to choose another unelectable leader

tobee · 26/05/2019 22:33

Greece calls snap election. I have Greek relations.

tobee · 26/05/2019 22:34

Or Greek relatives. Greek relations sounds like a euphemism

Jellykat · 26/05/2019 22:35

My local news in Pembrokeshire saying Plaid second not LD..

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 22:35

"I have Greek relations"

That sounds somehow unsuited for a family site, tobee Grin

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 22:37

Re: Emily Thornberry - the only reason she is saying what she is now and suddenly have found a backbone may have something to do with being the MP for Islington South

Westministenders: The One Where Everyone is an Election Expert For 3 Days
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BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 22:37

red I hope you didn't forget to put MiniToothbrush to bed !

TaxiPlease · 26/05/2019 22:37

Alex Wickham
‏*@alexwickham*

NEW: Following Tom Watson / People's Vote collusion earlier, Remain supporting Labour source says there will now be a fresh move by MPs against Corbyn

Says the focus will be on changing Labour policy to support a second ref, challenging Corbyn's leadership if he refuses

Quintella · 26/05/2019 22:37

Grin at having Greek relations in response to a snap election.

SwedishEdith · 26/05/2019 22:37

The Leave spin machine is online in full. All Leave voters stayed at home and Remain should be devastated.

tobee · 26/05/2019 22:38

Dream job for me would be working on an election night tv studio. Or the Olympic Games. Behind the scenes. Love a live event. Grin😍

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 22:38

Phew, BREX over 50% in West Midlands

Motherof3feminists · 26/05/2019 22:38

@HazardGhost they are part of my forward purchasing for brexit and I really can't as I've eaten lots of the about to expire stash and gained half a stone Blush Brexit has made me fat Sad

HazardGhost · 26/05/2019 22:39

Fuck south staffordshire what are you thinking Confused

LoonvanBoon · 26/05/2019 22:39

Fucking awful results from Hull:

Brex: 44.0% (+44.0) Lab: 18.6% (-13.2) LDem: 13.4% (+1.6) Grn: 9.2% (+2.6) UKIP: 6.5% (-29.3) Con: 2.9% (-5.3)

Was heavily Leave back in 2016, but looks like Labour vote has collapsed without corresponding increase in Remain parties.

N. Lincolnshire over 50% Brexit Party too. Rotherham shit too.

HunkyDory69 · 26/05/2019 22:39

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HazardGhost · 26/05/2019 22:40

Aww mother that's some fab forward purchasing! I've ate all the crisps...

thethethethethe · 26/05/2019 22:40

From what I've read, the number of England born living in Scotland is more like 10%.

SusanWalker · 26/05/2019 22:40

Annunziata Rees-Mogg claiming brexit party vote shows desire of country to leave on WTO. Untrue of course but expect Farage to repeat this as nauseum.

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 22:40

North East Lincolnshire (Yorkshire & the Humber) result: Brex: 51.9% (+51.9) Lab: 10.6% (-12.2) Con: 9.9% (-11.4) LDem: 9.0% (+4.5) Grn: 7.3% (+2.5) UKIP: 6.9% (-34.3)

Harrow (London) result: Lab: 25.2% (-10.3) LDem: 21.8% (+18.0) Brex: 18.6% (+18.6) Con: 15.2% (-16.0) Grn: 8.0% (+2.6) UKIP: 2.1% (-11.9)

Perth and Kinross (Changes vs 2014); SNP - 35.8% (+2.8) Con - 19.5% (-10.3) Brex - 16.0% (+16) Lib Dem - 14.5% (+6.7) Green - 7.3% (+1.0) Labour - 3.0% (-8.3) ChUK - 1.8% (+1.8) UKIP - 1.5% (-8.6) Inds x 2 - 0.5% (+0.5(

Carlisle (North West) result: Brex: 39.5% (+39.5) LDem: 15.5% (+11.1) Con: 11.7% (-16.6) Lab: 11.7% (-13.5) Grn: 11.5% (+5.0) UKIP: 4.5% (-25.1)

Birmingham (West Midlands) result: Lab: 35.2% (-5.3) Brex: 24.0% (+24.0) LDem: 16.3% (+7.7) Grn: 11.2% (+5.7) Con: 6.9% (-10.1) UKIP: 3.7% (-18.8) ChUK: 2.8% (+2.8)

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BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 22:41

Tory spin will be that they'll have a new leader soon, who will carry out the Will of The People

Labour will start in-fighting, trying to dump their limpet leader

Cherrypi · 26/05/2019 22:43

Labour fighting a general election for remain is making me feel optimistic. Brexit party could split the tory vote.