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Westministenders: The One Where Everyone is an Election Expert For 3 Days

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RedToothBrush · 24/05/2019 17:40

The Vote has been cast.

The PM has quit. SHOCK!

We now face The Big Wait.

Waiting for the results. Waiting for the new leader. Waiting for a new direction.

Turnout looks likely to be up overall compared to 2014. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing isn't clear.

At this stage realistically the only definite thing that I think you can actually speculate is the LDs have done very well indeed. Turnout is up in all traditional LD areas and remain areas in general. Though some LDs are getting a little carried away.

Does this mean that the Brexit Party will do badly? No. Its merely a reflection of demographic polarisation. And it may indeed help the Brexit Party ironically. It does suggest that Labour hasn't done well in the north (difference with 2014 turnouts worst in Labour areas) and there are hints that the Cons have done badly (Lincolnshire turnout for the locals was lower than for the EU elections). Something is happening in Wales. But no one seems to really understand what. Its gone 'rogue'!

Plus there are far more leave areas than remain ones. The increases in turnout possibly aren't enough to make a significant dent on the Brexit Party lead.

Not much of an increase in turnout in places like Derby, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool, Basildon, Leigh - which all have high leave figures suggest that the Brexit Party are not motivated those they persuaded to the polls for the first time in 2016 for the Ref to vote. Instead it means they can only increase their vote share with a further collapse in the Lab / Con vote from 2014. The question with this is how close were UKIP to the ceiling vote? If you didn't go with UKIP in 2014 would the ref change that? Does this mark it harder for them to hit close to 38% vote share? Argueably yes - but don't get too excited yet either. It doesn't mean they won't do very well, if there is a Lab/Con vote collaspe like the locals. I still would not be surprised by a mid-thirties result.

Psychologically the popular vote matters. This might be important for the future. The vote of those extra referedum voters hasn't been motivated by another protest vote under Farage. Who is going to try and court them? This affects the direction of all the parties.

The real issue is how the seats split down. With the vote fragmented between the LDs, Greens, Plaid and SNP the ranking is against them. And works for the Brexit Party.

Meanwhile Boris Johnson has vowed to crash the UK out the EU without a deal.... what internal numbers is he aware of???

Results due after 10pm Sunday.

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HazardGhost · 26/05/2019 22:23

Sandwell is interesting, turquise vs labour. That's not a bad outcome for that area imo.

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 22:24

OMG listen to what Labours whatsherface (shadow foreign sec - my minds gone totally blank for her name) is saying on the BBC - Labour SHOULD have had policy which was clear for a 2nd ref and we got it wrong.

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TaxiPlease · 26/05/2019 22:24

Tom Rayner @RaynerSkyNews
Retweeted Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
Lib Dems win Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea convincingly, Brexit Party second, Labour in third place just ahead of the Tories

Kingston result - Lib Dems win with 25k votes, Brexit Party second with just over 10k votes, Greens in third with nearly 5k votes

Camden result - Lib Dems win with over 21k votes, Labour second with 13.5k votes, Greens third with 9.5k votes

Motherof3feminists · 26/05/2019 22:24

Are Plaid Cymru remain?
I'm dismayed at the amount of BP votes but then I need to remember that the remain votes are split. Tories and labour have been shafted so far.

Stilltalkstotrees · 26/05/2019 22:24

My guy at the count has these % for Rugby...

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HazardGhost · 26/05/2019 22:25

Hagrid think plaid is anti brexit but not 100 % on that

SusanWalker · 26/05/2019 22:25

Plaid pro remain so we can count them and SNP of course.

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 22:25

Emily Thornberry. Openly defying Corbane. (sic)

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HazardGhost · 26/05/2019 22:25

Emily thornberry red?

Motherof3feminists · 26/05/2019 22:25

Ah @HagridsBigToe you too 😁

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 22:26

I think LD miss out on third seat in NE...

Sadly.

Just.

2 BP 1 Lab

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HazardGhost · 26/05/2019 22:26

Emily has been getting about a bit. DP wants her as leader of Labour. She's cool, got balls, intelligent. I cautiously like her.

TaxiPlease · 26/05/2019 22:27

Britain Elects
@britainelects

Scottish Borders (Scotland) result:

SNP: 28.4% (+7.7)
Brex: 19.0% (+19.0)
Con: 18.9% (-11.6)
LDem: 18.2% (+1.5)
Grn: 7.9% (+0.4)
Lab: 2.8% (-7.5)
ChUK: 1.9% (+1.9)
UKIP: 1.8% (-10.6)

Redbridge (London) result:

Lab: 34.1% (-6.9)
LDem: 19.7% (+15.4)
Brex: 19.7% (+19.7)
Con: 10.0% (-13.8)
Grn: 8.6% (+3.0)
UKIP: 2.2% (-13.7)

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 22:27

I preeesume the high BREX areas in Wales are where the English pensioners moved in en masse,
i.e. former UKIP areas

I wonder what the % of English in Wales is Hmm

I read 25% of Scotland's population were born in England, but that sounds unlikely
Maybe pretty can give the corect figure

HagridsBigToe · 26/05/2019 22:27

This labour woman is speaking sense.

BestIsWest · 26/05/2019 22:27

Plaid are most definitely remain.

Dockray · 26/05/2019 22:28

Fuck. The cockwombles have got 2 seats in the NE

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 22:28

Redbridge (London) result: Lab: 34.1% (-6.9) LDem: 19.7% (+15.4) Brex: 19.7% (+19.7) Con: 10.0% (-13.8) Grn: 8.6% (+3.0) UKIP: 2.2% (-13.7)

Sutton (London) result: LDem: 34.0% (+13.9) Brex: 31.5% (+31.5) Lab: 10.1% (-3.1) Con: 8.8% (-15.8) Grn: 8.5% (+2.4) UKIP: 3.4% (-23.7)

Renfrewshire (Changes vs 2014); SNP - 41.6% (+11.9) Brex - 13.7% (+13.7) Lab - 13.3% (-21.9) Lib Dem - 10.8% (+7.5) Con - 9.4% (-3.3) Green - 6.7% (+0.6) ChUK - 2.1% (+2.1) UKIP - 1.9% (-8.5) Inds x2 - 0.7% (+0.7)

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Motherof3feminists · 26/05/2019 22:29

Why are we getting double posts? Are the bots about?

I wish I'd saved some popcorn instead of eating it all last night. I'm a nervous eater and the quality street saved for Christmas are calling.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 26/05/2019 22:29

Labour SHOULD have had policy which was clear for a 2nd ref and we got it wrong

In a few years (months? Confused) time we’ll probably hear something similar about Labour SHOULD have picked a different leader, we got it wrong.

tobee · 26/05/2019 22:30

Emily Thornbury is rubbish though.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 22:30

Thornberry, Adonis, Watson ....
if McDonnell lines up with them, then Corbyn may be forced to concede PV as policy, without ifs or buts

Still unlikely he'll actually quit or be forced out
They'll have to prise his clenched fingers off the doorposts

TaxiPlease · 26/05/2019 22:30

Birmingham result

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HagridsBigToe · 26/05/2019 22:30

Ah, Farage will be over the TV tomorrow.

SwedishEdith · 26/05/2019 22:31

Sky are predicting BP, Lab and LD in the NE.