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Westministenders: The One Where Everyone is an Election Expert For 3 Days

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RedToothBrush · 24/05/2019 17:40

The Vote has been cast.

The PM has quit. SHOCK!

We now face The Big Wait.

Waiting for the results. Waiting for the new leader. Waiting for a new direction.

Turnout looks likely to be up overall compared to 2014. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing isn't clear.

At this stage realistically the only definite thing that I think you can actually speculate is the LDs have done very well indeed. Turnout is up in all traditional LD areas and remain areas in general. Though some LDs are getting a little carried away.

Does this mean that the Brexit Party will do badly? No. Its merely a reflection of demographic polarisation. And it may indeed help the Brexit Party ironically. It does suggest that Labour hasn't done well in the north (difference with 2014 turnouts worst in Labour areas) and there are hints that the Cons have done badly (Lincolnshire turnout for the locals was lower than for the EU elections). Something is happening in Wales. But no one seems to really understand what. Its gone 'rogue'!

Plus there are far more leave areas than remain ones. The increases in turnout possibly aren't enough to make a significant dent on the Brexit Party lead.

Not much of an increase in turnout in places like Derby, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool, Basildon, Leigh - which all have high leave figures suggest that the Brexit Party are not motivated those they persuaded to the polls for the first time in 2016 for the Ref to vote. Instead it means they can only increase their vote share with a further collapse in the Lab / Con vote from 2014. The question with this is how close were UKIP to the ceiling vote? If you didn't go with UKIP in 2014 would the ref change that? Does this mark it harder for them to hit close to 38% vote share? Argueably yes - but don't get too excited yet either. It doesn't mean they won't do very well, if there is a Lab/Con vote collaspe like the locals. I still would not be surprised by a mid-thirties result.

Psychologically the popular vote matters. This might be important for the future. The vote of those extra referedum voters hasn't been motivated by another protest vote under Farage. Who is going to try and court them? This affects the direction of all the parties.

The real issue is how the seats split down. With the vote fragmented between the LDs, Greens, Plaid and SNP the ranking is against them. And works for the Brexit Party.

Meanwhile Boris Johnson has vowed to crash the UK out the EU without a deal.... what internal numbers is he aware of???

Results due after 10pm Sunday.

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SwedishEdith · 26/05/2019 22:09

emily m
‏*@maitlis*

Italy: two exit polls have 5* salvini party in third place . #EUelections2019

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 22:10

Andrew Adoniss@Andrew*_Adonis

Very clear that if Labour had been the party of Remain in this election, we would have won
....

Francis Elliott Retweeted Jonathan Calderr@lordbonkers*

Seumas! Seumas! He's escaped from the cellar! Grin

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 22:11

Britain elects @britainelects
Rugby (West Midlands) result:

Brex: 42.6% (+42.6)
LDem: 24.2% (+16.8)
Con: 12.9% (-17.4)
Lab: 11.4% (-9.7)
UKIP: 4.7% (-24.6)
ChUK: 4.2% (+4.2)

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HagridsBigToe · 26/05/2019 22:11

I wish retainers had had one party to unite behind. I think the vote will be split between Green and Lib Dem :(

tobee · 26/05/2019 22:12

Also Corbyn will ignore this and spin it as a bad night for Tory. And Brexit Party success means labour should stay with their current pointless and destructive position

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 22:12

imo, serious risk of a hardline - and unscrupulous - Brexit PM inviting Farage into a govt & GE alliance

woman19 · 26/05/2019 22:13

Nice swedish third. Smile

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 22:13

BCF I'm seeing lots of Brexit Party outside SE looking like 30 - 40%.

But bigger population in SE and London may well pull that back a lot.

Low 30%s?

Lds to push 20% maybe just over?

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Stilltalkstotrees · 26/05/2019 22:14

I live in Rugby. It’s horribly brexity here :(

yolofish · 26/05/2019 22:15

Is it flippant to say here that I rather love Beth Rigby on Sky? I think she's great.

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 22:16

Durham (North East) result: Brex: 39.5% (+39.5) Lab: 19.3% (-20.1) LDem: 16.7% (+11.5) Grn: 8.1% (+2.6) UKIP: 6.2% (-21.9) Con: 6.2% (-9.3)

Newcastle upon Tyne (North East) result: Brex: 27.2% (+27.2) Lab: 24.6% (-14.0) LDem: 23.9% (+13.4) Grn: 9.8% (+1.8) Con: 5.4% (-8.3) UKIP: 5.0% (-18.5)

Croydon (London) result: Lab: 23.9% (-9.3) LDem: 22.7% (+18.8) Brex: 22.1% (+22.1) Grn: 11.4% (+4.4) Con: 10.8% (-16.5)

Sheffield (Yorkshire & the Humber) result: Brex: 28.1% (+28.1) Grn: 24.8% (+12.6) LDem: 18.1% (+8.0) Lab: 17.0% (-16.6) UKIP: 3.9% (-23.8) Con: 3.4% (-7.4)

Southend (East of England) result: Brex: 42.1% (+42.1) LDem: 18.9% (+12.8) Grn: 12.2% (+4.3) Lab: 9.9% (-5.7) Con: 9.0% (-17.8) UKIP: 3.7% (-33.4)

Wolverhampton (West Midlands) result: Brex: 37.0% (+37.0) Lab: 28.0% (-9.8) LDem: 10.4% (+7.7) Con: 9.1% (-8.4) Grn: 7.2% (+3.7) UKIP: 5.8% (-25.5)

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Quintella · 26/05/2019 22:16

I like Beth Rigby but get irritated at the way she pronounces words ending in ing. I realise this is my issue and not her!

BestIsWest · 26/05/2019 22:17

Gwynedd results:

Plaid Cymru - 18,009
Brexit Party - 7,886
Change UK - 513
Tory - 1335
Green - 1826
Labour - 2761
Lib Dem - 2244
UKIP - 866

woman19 · 26/05/2019 22:17

I'm seeing lots of Brexit Party outside SE looking like 30 - 40%

If, with all that money, voter suppression and right wing press and they can't get 40%............

HazardGhost · 26/05/2019 22:17

Didn't realise they would be breaking down the regions... the WM will vary. Bless us.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 22:19

LDs with more MEPs than MPs? Grin

TaxiPlease · 26/05/2019 22:19

Britain Elects @britainelects

Cardiff (Wales) result:

Brex: 21.2% (+21.2)
LDem: 20.9% (+14.2)
PC: 20.2% (+9.4)
Lab: 17.4% (-13.5)
Grn: 8.5% (+1.2)
Con: 6.4% (-12.5)

Motherof3feminists · 26/05/2019 22:20

Lots of stupid voters so far then Angry I can't believe anyone in their right mind would vote for the brexit party 😩

Jellykat · 26/05/2019 22:21

Interesting Best, glad to see PC above BP there!

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 22:21

Wrexham (Wales) result: Brex: 37.0% (+37.0) Lab: 15.3% (-12.0) PC: 14.0% (+3.1) LDem: 13.3% (+9.5) Con: 7.6% (-10.8) Grn: 5.5% (+1.7)

West Dunbartonshire (Changes vs 2014); SNP - 45.5% (+13.3) Lab - 16.0% (-22.1) Brex - 13.8% (+13.8) Lib Dem - 7.3% (+5.4) Green - 6.6% (nc) Con - 6.3% (-1.8) UKIP - 2.1% (-8.5) ChUK - 1.8% (+1.8) Ind x2 - 0.5% (+0.5)

Cardiff (Wales) result: Brex: 21.2% (+21.2) LDem: 20.9% (+14.2) PC: 20.2% (+9.4) Lab: 17.4% (-13.5) Grn: 8.5% (+1.2) Con: 6.4% (-12.5)

Pembrokeshire (Wales) result: Brex: 38.1% (+38.1) PC: 15.6% (+3.6) LDem: 12.2% (+9.4) Lab: 11.2% (-10.1) Con: 10.0% (-18.9) Grn: 7.0% (+2.5)

Sandwell (West Midlands) result: Brex: 36.5% (+36.5) Lab: 35.5% (-9.3) LDem: 7.2% (+5.3) Grn: 6.7% (+3.5) UKIP: 5.9% (-24.2) Con: 5.9% (-5.8) ChUK: 2.3% (+2.3)

Scottish Borders (changes vs 2014); SNP - 28.4% (+7.7) Brex - 19.0% (+19.0) Con - 18.9% (-11.6) Lib Dem - 18.2% (+1.5) Green - 7.9% (+0.4) Lab - 2.8% (-7.5) ChUK - 1.9% (+1.9) UKIP - 1.8% (-10.6) Inds x 2 - 1.1% (+1.1)

East Ayrshire (changes vs 2014); SNP - 41.1% (+7.8) Brex - 16.4% (+16.4) Lab - 12.9% (-20.3) Con - 11.3% (-2.9) Lib Dem - 8.0% (+5.7) Green - 5.5% (+0.8) UKIP - 2.2% (-7.6) ChUK - 2.0% (+2) 2x Inds - 0.5% (+0.5)

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BestIsWest · 26/05/2019 22:22

Cardiff

Brex: 21.2% (+21.2)
LDem: 20.9% (+14.2)
PC: 20.2% (+9.4)
Lab: 17.4% (-13.5)
Grn: 8.5% (+1.2)
Con: 6.4% (-12.5)

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 26/05/2019 22:23

Croydon (my manor) the only result so far that BXP haven't won. Feel inordinately relieved about that, even though it was always fairly unlikely...

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 26/05/2019 22:23

@hnjsamuels
LONDON BOROUGH OF LAMBETH

LDEM 32.6%
LAB 22.4%
GRN 20.6%
BXP 8.4%
CUK 8.1%
CON 3.9%

LIB DEM GAIN FROM LABOUR

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 22:23

Far right down in Denmark

Far right Vox only got 6% in Spain, compared to 10% in GE

HagridsBigToe · 26/05/2019 22:23

If you add up the Lib Dem and Green votes in most places, they outvote Brexit. Of course, you'd need to add some other parties to the Brexit numbers, too.
Is Plaid pro or anti-Brexit? (brain fog)