Austria unvaccinated lockdown

[MRex]

How is this expected to actually work in practice? I have only seen basic UK news articles, interested mostly to understand the practical implications.

Personal views without knowing detail: I simply don't see any way this can be achieved without infringing on personal freedoms of unvaccinated and vaccinated quite significantly. I'm very pro-vax in general and for covid, but I hope the UK doesn't start anything like this, seems like it would just have anyone digging their heels in and cause a lot of social unrest issues.

@Malibuismysecrethome

MRex it does actually make sense. I had a really severe headache that was really painful and debilitating. I was prescribed several medications that usually work for severe migraine type headache and painkillers, nothing touched it. After a couple of weeks there started to be reports of deaths from symptoms that started with a severe headache. I was then sent to the hospital and was told that although I had had this side effect there was no neurological damage.

No. If you had a cerebral haemorrhage then that would have be picked up. You had a headache. However uncomfortable or even scary, it was not actually a life-threatening bleed in the brain and your are being utterly ridiculous to suggest that's the same thing.

The initial reports about some AZ reactions were in mid-March, so just to reiterate - that was before your second dose if you were in the UK even ECV.

@Lostinacloud

But *@SpringKit*, is it actually far far more risky not to have the vaccine when you are a healthy 24 year old for example? Survival rate from covid = 99.997%, pretty good odds balanced against whatever the odds are of suffering from vaccine induced myocarditis at that age, said to be a higher probability in the under 30’s. Hence why the use of Moderna has now been banned for under 30 year olds across many countries.

Also what about those who had covid pre vaccines and didn’t need anything other than a paracetamol or two? They have shown that their risk of serious covid illness and possibility of taking up a hospital bed is zero so why should they have a vaccine they don’t need? Their body has created the antibodies to covid rather than a vaccine, what’s the difference?

You cannot generalise with what you have just said about risk. The risk varies massively according to your age and comorbidities. This fact has been forgotten or ignored throughout and has brought us to the point we are now where countries are forcing vaccination.

The problem is that this sounds reasonable, but it’s misleading. But because it sounds reasonable, people will base their decision-making on this sort of statement which is presented as fact.

There is not a 100% safe solution either way, so we have to weigh up the odds and make a decision based on them. All the shouting and screaming in the world doesn’t alter the facts. And on the topic of myocarditis, the facts are that the chances of it happening after the vaccination are a sixth of the chances of it happening after a covid infection.

^ Now a study in the US has analysed how often myocarditis occurs following infection with the coronavirus. Researchers analysed the records of healthcare organisations that cover a fifth of the US population. They found that, during the first 12 months of the pandemic, males aged 12 to 17 were most likely to develop myocarditis within three months of catching covid-19, at a rate of about 450 cases per million infections.

This compares with 67 cases of myocarditis per million males of the same age following their second dose of a Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, according to figures from the US Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. Researchers added together cases after first and second doses to reach a total rate of 77 cases per million in this male age group triggered by vaccination, a sixth that seen after infection. ^

www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/

All the social media arguments against vaccine are emotive and ignore the facts. I personally feel that hard facts are the only way I can navigate this. The endless stories on here or FB are anecdotal at best.

Mrex it wasn’t picked up because I was speaking to my GP who didn’t tell me to go to the hospital to be examined. I don't know how you can diagnose a headache I suffered from when you don’t know me. I had my second vaccination on the 9 April so prior to the reports of cerebral complications.

@Malibuismysecrethome

Mrex it wasn’t picked up because I was speaking to my GP who didn’t tell me to go to the hospital to be examined. I don't know how you can diagnose a headache I suffered from when you don’t know me. I had my second vaccination on the 9 April so prior to the reports of cerebral complications.

A brain bleed doesn't hurt a bit and then go away. HTH.

@Malibuismysecrethome’s experience is yet another reason vaccination should be a choice. As rare as it may be, the fact remains that some people reacted badly to their first or second vaccinations and some are still affected by side effects, just the same as those suffering long covid.

@Kikkomam

I think people who think like you are selfish and stupid. You are quite at liberty to think I am a dictator.

Lol okay.

I suppose u think people who consume too much fat and sugar and are fat are selfish and stupid cos they take up time in the nhs thst could be usef for more important illnesses.

I bet you al think those who smoke and drink alcohol are stupid and selfish too...consuming things that are not good for their health

But hey why it does bother you if someone isn't vaccinated? It won't stop you from getting it so why does it bother you?

@Malibuismysecrethome

Mrex it wasn’t picked up because I was speaking to my GP who didn’t tell me to go to the hospital to be examined. I don't know how you can diagnose a headache I suffered from when you don’t know me. I had my second vaccination on the 9 April so prior to the reports of cerebral complications.

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia was all over the news from mid March, so over 3 weeks earlier. You'd have to have been living in a ditch not to have heard. Try Google, you'll see that you're misremembering.

[quote Lostinacloud]@Malibuismysecrethome’s experience is yet another reason vaccination should be a choice. As rare as it may be, the fact remains that some people reacted badly to their first or second vaccinations and some are still affected by side effects, just the same as those suffering long covid.[/quote]
The trouble is that you have quoted a poster who is claiming that a headache was identical to a brain bleed! A really bad headache can be a good reason not to take a vaccine booster, I agree it needs to be personal choice. I won't help validate that poster giving misinformation on a public forum though.

Mrex where do you get off on saying I am giving misinformation on a public forum. The doctor rang me to say I had to go for tests. Those test results said I had had a bleed but no neurological deficit from the experience. Now please wind your neck in.

Ps I was extremely lucky

A brain bleed doesn't hurt a bit and then go away. HTH

This.

@Kikkomam

A brain bleed doesn't hurt a bit and then go away. HTH

This.

But they do

My mum had one (not from a vaccine). It did exactly that.

www.livescience.com/54508-brain-hemorrhage.html

I was terrified when she wound up in hospital with a brain bleed but they released after observation and she recovered.

I'm flipping triple vaxxed. I know some people think that's mad. Is it too much to ask that we respect each other's experience?

“Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.

And unselfishness is letting other people's lives alone, not interfering with them.

Selfishness always aims at creating around it an absolute uniformity of type.

Unselfishness recognizes infinite variety of type as a delightful thing, accepts it, acquiesces in it, enjoys it.

It is not selfish to think for oneself.

A man who does not think for himself does not think at all.

It is grossly selfish to require of one's neighbour that he should think in the same way, and hold the same opinions. Why should he?

If he can think, he will probably think differently.

If he cannot think, it is monstrous to require thought of any kind from him.
A red rose is not selfish because it wants to be a red rose. It would be horribly selfish if it wanted all the other flowers in the garden to be both red and roses.”

Oscar Wilde

Crikey, talk about peak MN dismissing other people's symptoms!
Sudden and severe headaches can be a red flag for a lot of things... all of which need investigating. So, Malibuismysecrethome should have just sucked it up and stayed at home?
It seems like any potential severe side effect of getting the Covid vaccine is just met with derision, and attempts to shut conversation about it down. Why is that?

Malibuismysecrethome

How could you possibly know what you personally experienced ?

Surely mrex has a superior knowledge and insight into that.

In the end I think that it might become really difficult to stay unvaccinated. You could argue about your rights in your own country but as soon as you cross a border you might be restricted in a lot of ways and have nothing to say about it.

This is all diabolical. Do you know what living with the threat of a vaccine you definitely do not want for multitudes of reasons feels like? It's horrendous. People give up their rights and freedoms far too easily. It will come back to bite.

@mybodymychoice

This is all diabolical. Do you know what living with the threat of a vaccine you definitely do not want for multitudes of reasons feels like? It's horrendous. People give up their rights and freedoms far too easily. It will come back to bite.

You're the poster who namechanged today to tell another thread that your doctor friend (sic) has told you lots of things we are being told about Covid aren't real, right? And that Covid tests don't test for Covid?

@Malibuismysecrethome

Mrex where do you get off on saying I am giving misinformation on a public forum. The doctor rang me to say I had to go for tests. Those test results said I had had a bleed but no neurological deficit from the experience. Now please wind your neck in.

Now you've changed your story, that's definitely what must have happened. Yep.

@mybodymychoice

This is all diabolical. Do you know what living with the threat of a vaccine you definitely do not want for multitudes of reasons feels like? It's horrendous. People give up their rights and freedoms far too easily. It will come back to bite.

I do! I have severe needle phobia, and the thought that I might get fined or put in prison for not having the vaccine scares me to death. The threat of punishment wont make my phobia go away. I imagine people with health anxiety, bad side affects from their first jab etc feel the same.

Do you know what living with the threat of a vaccine you definitely do not want for multitudes of reasons feels like?

A sight better than living with the threat of a virus we definitely do not want for multitudes of reasons?

Just get the vax. Or start paying for your own Covid care. We can't get to the doctors or dentists. We can't get ambulances to people in time. We haven't got enough space to treat people with cancer. Aren't we all done with this now? Unless you can magic up 33% more ICU beds for the country, you need to start thinking about what actions you can take to not need the NHS this winter. I really can't listen to any more of this bollocks.

@XenoBitch - I know you've posted about your needle phobia throughout. I honestly don't believe this craziness will happen in the UK, and that it will be stopped in av year or two overseas. Hopefully there will also be sniff vaccines before long too, so that those who would like the protection can have it; I don't know if you've seen but trials are progressing: www.bbc.com/news/health-54147607.amp.

Sorry to hear that Xeno.

Anyone who knows anyone who has been vaccine damaged is living in fear. Anyone who knew this was coming pre 2020 is living in fear. Anyone who has heavily researched this is living in fear. Anyone who knows the authorities and media are lying is living in fear. It's horrendous.

[quote MRex]@XenoBitch - I know you've posted about your needle phobia throughout. I honestly don't believe this craziness will happen in the UK, and that it will be stopped in av year or two overseas. Hopefully there will also be sniff vaccines before long too, so that those who would like the protection can have it; I don't know if you've seen but trials are progressing: www.bbc.com/news/health-54147607.amp.[/quote]
You are right, I don't think such measures will come to the UK.
The last I read about non needle vaccine was that they were still about a year away from being available to the public.